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Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

257 点作者 sinesha将近 12 年前

32 条评论

wahsd将近 12 年前
Mostly carnivorous guy here; I have started playing around with the use of tofu and mushrooms in stead of meat and have come to the realization that it is actually a lot easier to substitute them for meat. Another, even bigger realization I have come to is that it seems that my addiction, yes, addiction, to meat and meat having to be a minimum requirement for having any interest in a dish, is that it is really a psychologically conditioned addiction. I don&#x27;t think that the meat alternative market is really addressing the real problem, people&#x27;s habitualized addiction to meat by industry, special interests, and marketeers manipulating a vulnerability in humans.<p>I am not advocating universal vegetarianism, but the fact that Americans eat insane amounts of meat is proof in and of itself that something is not right. There is a healthy level of meat intake and we far exceed it. Just think of how many meals have some form of meat in it. It&#x27;s probably approaching 100% for most Americans that are not vegetarians.
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spodek将近 12 年前
We have a lot of entrepreneurs here.<p>Why don&#x27;t we start with an easier lab-grown animal product than something we ingest?<p>How about lab-grown fur coats (EDIT from evilduck&#x27;s comment: or lab-grown leather for clothing, furniture, shoes, etc)? Who wouldn&#x27;t want to wear a &quot;mink&quot; coat created with no animal pain?<p>Develop the technology on something we don&#x27;t have to eat, along with the associated health risks and sensitivity of our palates, but still useful. Then transfer the technology to the harder areas.<p>I wrote about in-vitro fur before -- <a href="http://joshuaspodek.com/vegetarian-entrepreneurs-test" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;joshuaspodek.com&#x2F;vegetarian-entrepreneurs-test</a>. I&#x27;d love to see it but haven&#x27;t heard of anyone working on it. Is anyone doing it?<p>Another application easier than in-vitro meat for humans -- in-vitro meat pet food.
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amirhirsch将近 12 年前
Best quote from Sergey: &quot;If what you&#x27;re doing is not seen by some people as science fiction, it&#x27;s probably not transformative enough&quot;
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aaronmarks将近 12 年前
Biz Stone also just got into the meat-substitute space, with Beyond Meat - <a href="http://www.fastcoexist.com/1680007/biz-stone-explains-why-twitters-co-founders-are-betting-big-on-a-vegan-meat-startup" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fastcoexist.com&#x2F;1680007&#x2F;biz-stone-explains-why-tw...</a> - which I can report is vegan, gluten free and delicious.
scld将近 12 年前
I think the synthetic food market is going to be the biggest emerging market by 2020, coming out of relatively nowhere.<p>I know that there is development around it but with all the talk about energy, privatized space, mobile computing, clean environment, etc., I think synthetic meat will be the dark horse for next big business.
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brianbreslin将近 12 年前
I&#x27;ve been following this topic for a while, and the interesting thing is that synthetic beef still has to be &quot;fed&quot;. What its fed is stem cells and cow fetal materials. So its not &quot;vegan&quot; per-se.<p>One of the synthetic meat companies switched to leather products as they found out no one wants to eat bio-engineered lab grown steak (also it didn&#x27;t taste very good)
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antitrust将近 12 年前
I like the idea of being able to be a carnivore without being a killer.<p>However, there is a trap in this. Right now, there are cows and pigs wherever there are humans.<p>Fast forward 200 years when we can grow our own meat in the lab. Who&#x27;s going to keep around livestock? For what reason?<p>Pigs and cows would exist in a wild state in a small fraction of their former &quot;territory.&quot; If at all.
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pdenya将近 12 年前
Good on him for investing in stuff like this. Good for animals, good for the planet, and good for me. I can&#x27;t wait until this is universally available, I&#x27;ll never eat another boca burger again.
keiferski将近 12 年前
The biggest challenge for synthetic beef will not be technology. It will be marketing. I&#x27;m glad Brin is investing, but I&#x27;d really like to see a marketing master like Richard Branson take the field on.
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dreamdu5t将近 12 年前
Even with fully-developed technology, I have a hard time believing it will require less energy to manufacture a pound of synthetic beef than it will to simply grow it naturally. Am I wrong?
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wvl将近 12 年前
<i>&gt; A commonly cited statistic is that cows produce more greenhouse gases than all the world’s transportation combined, or 18% of all greenhouse gases. ... [snip] ... A more accurate analysis of the data resulted in a much more respectable estimate: that cattle contribute less than 3% of global greenhouse gas emissions.</i><p><a href="http://chriskresser.com/the-real-environmental-impact-of-red-meat-part-1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chriskresser.com&#x2F;the-real-environmental-impact-of-red...</a>
peterjaap将近 12 年前
Hasn&#x27;t Veridian Dynamics done this before?<p>Edit; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_bPobs8T5w" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Q_bPobs8T5w</a>
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Nux将近 12 年前
Nice of mr. Brin to do this. It should set an example. I&#x27;m all for anything that will reduce&#x2F;stop the mad slaughtering that&#x27;s taking place now.
lukashed将近 12 年前
Next up: Google beef. If they know our ad&#x2F;browsing preferences, they also know our food&#x2F;taste preferences.
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hawkharris将近 12 年前
Do British newspapers not capitalize the word Internet? I know all American papers capitalize it because it&#x27;s a proper noun. I&#x27;m wondering if that&#x27;s just a recurring typo in this article or if British journalists follow a different convention.
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api将近 12 年前
I can&#x27;t wait to see the cognitive dissonance from the &quot;natural&quot; people.<p>On one hand, it could quite possibly replace factory farming and eliminate a huge amount of waste, pollution, and animal cruelty.<p>On the other hand, it&#x27;s GMO.<p>I love seeing True Believers in Movementarianism squirm.<p>I&#x27;m equal opportunity here. I like pointing out the philosophical inconsistencies of dogmatic positivism to your typical Reddit &#x2F;r&#x2F;atheist type, or pointing out the failures and corruption of the pharmaceutical industry to the rabidly anti-alt-med people you find in skeptic circles...<p>Ideology: n.: from the root words &quot;idiot&quot; and &quot;ology,&quot; the science and art of becoming an idiot by confusing a model of reality with reality itself.
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penguindev将近 12 年前
Sorry but this is just bullshit. More science will continue making overpopulation WORSE and EVEN LESS HEALTHY. The last great example of this, the Rockefeller foundation making the &#x27;green revolution&#x27; of cheap, unhealthy, and unsustainable mass carbohydrate production[1]. Read &#x27;Wheat Belly&#x27;.<p>Why can&#x27;t these billionaires ever use some right brain thinking? Stop _fucking_ with our food. The more &#x27;efficient&#x27; you have to be, the more vulnerable the entire system is to shocks.<p>You want to end animal cruelty, stop having more than two kids. Period.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Norman_Borlaug</a>
Goronmon将近 12 年前
Does it taste like despair?<p>Seriously though, that&#x27;s always my first thought when I read a story about something like this. It&#x27;s like my brain can&#x27;t help but cringe of the thought of eating something made this way, even if it&#x27;s irrational.
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wprl将近 12 年前
How about a return to traditional agriculture, which would provide more jobs, cleaner food, and decentralization and localization of food infrastructure? Why the relentless pursuit of industrialization and homogeneity at any cost?
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chris_wot将近 12 年前
While it&#x27;s more ethical for the animal, I must question the carbon footprint and efficient and effective use of resources to make synthetic beef.<p>Firstly, to make it scale you&#x27;ll need a lot of machinery. Then you&#x27;ll need the right nutrients. It will need a lot of technology, because to make beef grow it will need to have everything maintained and provided for it. In nature, beef cattle can be run on reasonably unproductive land (feed lots notwithstanding). Cattle, as it turns out, are very effective and efficient factories of meat production all by themselves.
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jlebrech将近 12 年前
we could also use that muscle to create clean energy, we could make it pedal on bicycles.
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deegles将近 12 年前
Fully automated, mass production of synthetic beef would be an amazing feat and would definitely change nutrition for millions, if not billions of people. That being said, I don&#x27;t think we&#x27;ll be there in less than 50 years.<p>In the short term, there&#x27;s already a method of producing high quality protein and fats at around 90% efficiency: insects!<p>Now if only the Western world would get over the stigma attached to bugs...
mapleoin将近 12 年前
This is awesome, but I&#x27;d really hate to be a beta-customer for synthetic beef. It might cause a lot of really bad side-effects while the whole industry matures, figures out what standards it should set and implements them.
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gavinpc将近 12 年前
&gt; a history of backing projects that sound as though they belong in science fiction movies.... mining asteroids... trips to the moon... driverless cars and... green energy projects.<p>So green energy is on par with trips to the moon?
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total__C将近 12 年前
Something I&#x27;ve always wondered about regarding synthetic meat:<p>for say synthetic pork, would it be necessary to mechanically &#x27;exercise&#x27; the muscle fibers in order for them to taste the same as pork from a pig?
esalman将近 12 年前
What&#x27;s with Google Glass? Why Google employees have to where it when appearing on camera? Or do they use it all the time? Just wondering.
pearjuice将近 12 年前
He doesn&#x27;t seem to understand that everything on this planet has its purpose and that of animals is, that it is to be consumed by us. I do not condone the current ways of killing animals en masse but certainly artificial meat isn&#x27;t the answer either? We are dealing with a lot of unnatural food these days and no matter what the motivations are, it is hurting humanity.
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zjgreen将近 12 年前
Google Beef. Is that what he calls it? 0_o
magoon将近 12 年前
Gross.
Dewie将近 12 年前
&gt; &quot;Cows are very inefficient, they require 100g of vegetable protein to produce only 15g of edible animal protein,&quot; Dr Post told the Guardian before the event. &quot;So we need to feed the cows a lot so that we can feed ourselves. We lose a lot of food that way.<p>Yes, if most of what you feed the cows are human-edible.
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snappy173将近 12 年前
B(eef)-Trees?
sidcool将近 12 年前
He doesn&#x27;t seem to like bacon.