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When Einstein Met Tagore

140 点作者 dboles99将近 12 年前

11 条评论

yuvadam将近 12 年前
&lt;silly anecdote&gt;<p>I&#x27;m sure nobody in the Tel Aviv municipality thought of this when they had Einstein St. and Tagore St. intersect just near Tel Aviv University [1]<p>[1] - <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/dASWE" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;goo.gl&#x2F;maps&#x2F;dASWE</a>
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linvin将近 12 年前
The crux.<p>Tagore: &quot;According to Indian Philosophy there is Brahman, the absolute Truth, which cannot be conceived by the isolation of the individual mind or described by words but can only be realized by completely merging the individual in its infinity. But such a Truth cannot belong to Science. The nature of Truth which we are discussing is an appearance – that is to say, what appears to be true to the human mind and therefore is human, and may be called maya or illusion.&quot;<p>Indian philosophy has long held that there is no individual consciousness, but something encompassing the whole: - Knowledge is just that, knowledge, and it just exists; like numbers, pythagorous theorem etc. - Reality (as consumed by human mind) is result of senses interacting with that knowledge, and producing the illusion of individual. More importantly, it creates &quot;observed knowledge&quot;. - The relationships within observed knowledge, which are uncovered by mathematics. Observed knowledge &quot;shadows&quot; the reality, but at no point can we say that observed knowledge is exactly same as reality. - Exactly as we can manipulate the information in computer, the observed knowledge itself can be manipulated. For example, one could add a new &quot;sense&quot; and thus sense the reality in wholly new manner.<p>So, if anybody says &quot;There is an entity independent of the observed reality, and thus can manipulate it independent of the rules of that reality&quot;, then they are merely creating another observed reality.<p>But then, Indian philosophy further goes ahead and says the consciousness is independent of all this, and therefore, it will forever be creating newer and newer experiences out of the contents of the reality.<p>So if you identify yourself with brain, all you are saying is that &quot;it is simply not possible to derive any more knowledge other than what senses + mathematics give us&quot;.<p>Instead, if you identify yourself as an entity independent of knowledge itself, then at least there is possibility of finding out if there is an ultimate reality much beyond the brain, and most important, it should &quot;free you&quot; from the bodily limitations.<p>And hence in India (in particular, the Advaita philosophy) they say, you are &quot;Brahman&quot;, i.e. you are yourself God, but you mis-identify yourself as body and brain.<p>(As an aside, if you come to India, check out the religious channels and listen to Gurus talking there. Most of them convey this very philosophy to its very core!)
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TheMagicHorsey将近 12 年前
I don&#x27;t think this conversation actually happened. It does not read at all like Einsteins other conversations.<p>I feel like some follower of Tagore may have authored this after the death of Einstein.
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tokenadult将近 12 年前
Here are quotations from both Tagore and Einstein about their childhood experiences in school:<p><a href="http://learninfreedom.org/Nobel_hates_school.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;learninfreedom.org&#x2F;Nobel_hates_school.html</a>
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brianjesse将近 12 年前
Some of Tagore&#x27;s work is available as volunteer-recorded public domain mp3 and ogg files from librivox.org -- the recordings for Tagore&#x27;s book &quot;Sadhana: The Realization of Life&quot; are very well done, by a volunteer named Peter Yearsley <a href="http://librivox.org/sadhana-by-rabindranath-tagore-v2/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;librivox.org&#x2F;sadhana-by-rabindranath-tagore-v2&#x2F;</a>
teeja将近 12 年前
How unfortunate that no physical recording of this meeting exists. At any rate, &quot;For the kind of mind possessed by the moth which eats that paper literature is absolutely non-existent&quot; is a superb representation of the difficulty Westerners have in comprehending &quot;the reconciliation of the Super-personal Man&quot; and the associated experiences. (Before psychedelics, anyway.)
popee将近 12 年前
Tagore: &quot;It is not difficult to imagine a mind to which the sequence of things happens not in space but only in time like the sequence of notes in music. For such a mind such conception of reality is akin to the musical reality in which Pythagorean geometry can have no meaning. There is the reality of paper, infinitely different from the reality of literature. For the kind of mind possessed by the moth which eats that paper literature is absolutely non-existent, yet for Man’s mind literature has a greater value of Truth than the paper itself. In a similar manner if there be some Truth which has no sensuous or rational relation to the human mind, it will ever remain as nothing so long as we remain human beings.&quot;
VLM将近 12 年前
It was an interesting discussion, but WRT &quot;previously examined definitions of science&quot;, quoted from the article, I did not see anything in the general area of science discussed or anything resembling an application of the scientific method along the lines of falsifiable logical predictions based about testable experiments and so on. I think a discussion along those lines with the same characters would be interesting, although this small excerpt was pretty far away from those specific topics.
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JonSkeptic将近 12 年前
&gt;...if there be some Truth which has no sensuous or rational relation to the human mind, it will ever remain as nothing so long as we remain human beings.<p>Tagore makes an interesting argument that is certainly true on some level. I think further reading may be required. Does anyone have any recommendations?
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kunai将近 12 年前
I feel a bit ashamed to say this, but as a polymath, wasn&#x27;t Tagore&#x27;s specific knowledge limited compared to Einstein&#x27;s, who had been doing distributed work solely in scientific fields rather than spreading his knowledge thin with political matters and theology? Obviously the conversation in question doesn&#x27;t involve much science, but if Tagore did have the scientific stature to debate Einstein with concrete detail, one could wonder why the conversation seemed metaphysical rather than concrete.
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BetaCygni将近 12 年前
Ah, philosophy. My version of this:<p>Q: Do questions exist?<p>A: Only if someone asks them.<p>Q: Do answers exist?<p>A: Sometimes, when there are questions.<p>Q: Do answers exist without someone to ask the questions?<p>A: No
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