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Ask HN: 1% equity vested over 4 years, is it okay for first employee?

9 点作者 hemezh将近 12 年前
I am a fresher and have joined a startup recently. I joined it even before the founder came full time. We didn't talk about the equity then and now they are giving me 1% equity vested over 4 years with 25% cliff after 1 year. I have already declined to another "big company" who offered better salary than this startup(20% more of what I am getting now). I don't like the technology stack they are working on and more than anything I hate the city they are based in. Seeing all these factors, is it a good idea to continue working with them?

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brianchu将近 12 年前
1. Agreed with tptacek. 1% is within the &quot;standard&quot; range of equity from what I&#x27;ve heard in SV. But that range is highly variable: 1-5%, but even 0.1-10% might be justified. But we have nowhere near enough information to judge whether that kind of an offer is a good offer for your specific, individualized case. Some questions to consider: What kind of salary are you making? What salary could you make at a BigCorp? When was their last round of funding, how much did they raise, who did they raise from, and what was the valuation? What kind of shares were issues to the investors (preferred, participating preferred, bla bla bla etc.)<p>2. Approach this like an investor. You are &quot;investing&quot; a below-market salary (<i>and</i>, if you are going to be working longer hours than at a BigCorp, you have to factor that into your calculations), and in return you are getting equity. The easiest way to calculate the dollar value of your equity is valuation * equity (then divide by four since this is vested over four years), and that is the rough cash equivalent of your equity). But depending on what kind of stock your investors got (preferred stock vs. the common stock or stock options you get), you might want to discount this valuation by 10-20%.<p>3. Valuing startup equity is a huge topic, there are entire HN threads dedicated to this: search HN for &quot;startup equity.&quot; Here are some good articles: <a href="http://mba-mondays.pandamian.com/tableofcontents/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mba-mondays.pandamian.com&#x2F;tableofcontents&#x2F;</a> (read the Employee Equity sections), pg&#x27;s essay on this (<a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/equity.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;equity.html</a>), an article on someone&#x27;s negotiation process (<a href="https://keen.io/blog/29904565692/how-i-negotiated-my-startup-compensation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;keen.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;29904565692&#x2F;how-i-negotiated-my-startup...</a>), and another summary article (<a href="http://www.payne.org/index.php/Startup_Equity_For_Employees" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.payne.org&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;Startup_Equity_For_Employees</a>).
tptacek将近 12 年前
1% does not sound like a lowball offer for a salaried employee, but why take a job you know you don&#x27;t want?
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mcv将近 12 年前
I honestly have no idea whether 1% is good or bad, but which depends on a lot of factors:<p>What&#x27;s the chance that this company is going to make it? 1% of nothing is nothing. If they make it, how big are they going to be? 1% of $1 million isn&#x27;t all that much either. But if they get bigger than that, it very quickly becomes very worthwhile.<p>How much salary do you get? Equity can make up for low salary, but if your salary is okay, any equity is bonus.
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DevX101将近 12 年前
I feel like you&#x27;ve already answered your question.
brudgers将近 12 年前
Here&#x27;s an F.U. money calculator:<p><a href="http://www.kludgecode.com/index.php/a-crude-f-u-money-calculator/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kludgecode.com&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;a-crude-f-u-money-calcul...</a>
tagabek将近 12 年前
<i>I don&#x27;t like the technology stack they are working on and more than anything I hate the city they are based in.</i><p>You will resent your work and you will be unhappy with where you are geographically.
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foobarbazqux将近 12 年前
If you are willing to quit anyway, it&#x27;s a good opportunity to practice negotiation. Tell them that either they give you a good percentage or you leave, but make sure you leave if they refuse.
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rywalker将近 12 年前
1) Definitely ask for more, they&#x27;re low-balling you. 2) Take it as a lesson learned. The earlier you nailed this down, the better your negotiation position is.
joeldidit将近 12 年前
As employee number 1 ask for 2-5%. Or more.