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1391 点作者 nikai将近 12 年前

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grellas将近 12 年前
It is really tragic that we have reached a point where something so wonderful as Groklaw cannot effectively function.<p>Nearly 200 years ago, de Tocqueville asked why the American experiment in self-government succeeded while its French counterpart led to the guillotine, mob excesses, and ultimate tyranny and he gave a complex answer whose core was that private moral restraints in the populace served to check the unbounded passions in people that lead to oppression. In other words, the private life that each of us leads will hugely influence the way we are governed.<p>Governments are <i>always</i> ready to grab the greatest degree of power that the people will give them. That is the default because it is hard-wired into the human condition. And this is the major factor not grasped by those today who assume that society is evolving to a point that, if only right-thinking people with good motives are given enough power over our lives, they will somehow magically transform society for the good through government action. In reality, if any persons - right-thinking or not - are given largely unchecked authority over our lives, abuses will inevitably follow. As they gather huge amounts of power, their purpose in life becomes to guard that power jealously and to increase it as opportunities permit. No bureau has ever abolished itself. Farm programs from the depression era thrive today as ever, though the logic for their existence has long since vanished. Politicians of all stripes promote expanded budgets for their own areas of preferred government expansion and spend money they don&#x27;t even have in vast quantities with little or no accountability to the people they supposedly serve.<p>This is why it is vital in a free society that its people be educated and morally grounded to value their rights as individuals and to resist and distrust unchecked authority in the state. Do we have that today? Perhaps, but only in a very weakened form. Many people today do not even give pause over the idea that the government claims huge amounts of unchecked power, whether it is to fight terrorists or to expand social programs. There is very little residue in our society of the old-fashioned <i>principled</i> belief that it is wrong to have vast centralized power with very few checks upon it. In her sign off piece, PJ notes: &quot;Not that anyone seems to follow any laws that get in their way these days. Or if they find they need a law to make conduct lawful, they just write a new law or reinterpret an old one and keep on going. That&#x27;s not the rule of law as I understood the term.&quot; This is lamentable but it is a mere symptom, and not the cause, of our ills. Politicians make the law as they go, with no accountability, only because they are allowed to do so by those whom they govern. And, if someone already has vast power over you, it is but a small step to extend that power in a technological age by using technology to spy upon, intimidate, and control people. Why, when these leaders are allowed to lord it over us as they see fit, should they suddenly develop scruples in gathering information that only serves to enhance their power to do what we are already letting them do without so much as a peep of principled opposition?<p>Privacy is in significant peril, and it is a serious loss when Groklaw goes down over this issue. But assaults on privacy are but a symptom of a deeper malady as modern society increasingly believes that it can hand over massive forms of unchecked government to its politicians in the naive belief that such power can be used wisely if only we have right-thinking leaders at the helm. The answer, as de Tocqueville noted years ago, is not to place faith in leaders but rather to take personal responsibility in our lives and to curtail the powers of those who govern. I guess we shall just have to wait and see if this is possible today.<p>In the meantime, we can praise those who fight the good fight, and PJ has been a supreme example of this. Tireless, talented, and astute, she has been a wonderful force for good over the past decade. May she find a powerful new outlet for those talents as she moves forward, even in a difficult environment.
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jacquesm将近 12 年前
Holy crap. Groklaw? I&#x27;d never for one second thought that the fall out from the NSA debacle would reach so far as to cause Groklaw to be shut down.<p>PJ feels extremely genuine here, she is definitely not using this as an excuse.<p>Wow. There is something very unhealthy in the air or in the water these days. Lots of people seem to be totally immune to the consequences of rampant surveillance and frankly bizarre powers executed by the current set of governments. And all that in the name of the war on some nebulous entity that could not even capitulate if it wanted to (and that&#x27;s assuming such central command and control even exists).<p>2013 is fast shaping up to be a year of notoriety, so many things happening in so many places that are all linked to governments overstepping their powers.<p>Who would have thought 20 years ago that we&#x27;d see US whistleblowers hiding in Russia of all places. That there would be meaningful comparisons drawn between the Russian government and the UK government when it comes to dealing with the press, that we&#x27;d see torture committed by the people we routinely thought of as the good guys.<p>It&#x27;s a weird world we are living in at the moment.<p>Since comments are turned off there:<p>Thank you PJ for all the extremely hard work and the dedication. A lot of good came from this, I&#x27;m quite sure that there were some cases where both the plaintive and the defense were spending as much time reading groklaw as they were reading their email. It certainly counted for something.
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jgg将近 12 年前
Since we weren&#x27;t allowed to say it when it was relevant, and the point was muddled and trampled on in pseudo-rational debates (“Can you find <i>evidence</i> that they’re abusing this new legislation?”, etc.), I&#x27;ll go ahead and say it now: it&#x27;s happening.<p>There&#x27;s still a big world outside the Internet, and yet ironically, we live in a world where some employers are so stupid that they won&#x27;t hire someone without a Facebook, making the abuse and surveillance of Internet more relevant than it needs to be.<p>I find it hilarious that in most of the threads I&#x27;ve read on here for months, that people who have actually lived in oppressive regimes say that the US is at least displaying a likelihood of being on the slow descent to Hell, while people in the US are quick to point out that it&#x27;s still fine because we have elections and we aren&#x27;t being forced out onto the streets and shot in the back of the head.<p>Read any book on history, strategy, authoritarianism or &quot;real&quot; conspiracies and it&#x27;s abundantly clear that the best way to control a population is to analyze and manipulate the information they consume; I will not be surprised when we find out in 30-50 years that the tech companies were not only complicit in passive surveillance, but in active manipulation to control public opinion and perception.<p>Further, people self-actualize and learn to evolve to higher ideals, so once you debase intelligent debate&#x2F;freedom of expression and make every personal detail of a person&#x27;s life that passes over an electronic medium open to dissection and survellience, you debase the minds of the people as a whole and open the door to committing worse atrocities.<p>It&#x27;s actually less difficult than it was 50-100 years ago to control public opinion. Before, you&#x27;d have to burn books and control every major newspaper and broadcasting corporation. Now you can just astroturf on Reddit or Twitter, or edit Wikipedia is subtle ways, and have the same effect.
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cookiecaper将近 12 年前
...Can PJ not figure out GnuPG? Is she officially retiring from any and all digital correspondence contrary to her notice that &quot;[her] email [addresses] still work&quot;? She says she&#x27;s getting off the internet to whatever extent possible, and then asks people to continue to send her mail. I also find it cute that people believe facilities based in other Western nations are outside of the NSA&#x27;s reach.<p>I gotta say that stopping Groklaw, which is a public site anyway, because someone else might be reading it, doesn&#x27;t seem to make a lot of sense, despite the emotional ploys in this article. She can write and save drafts locally in a (GASP) local word processor and encrypt anything she chooses to upload to remote storage. The government will then not be able to read unfinished Groklaw articles. Does this resolve the issue?<p>This whole article should&#x27;ve just been a public key and a PO box address with this note: &quot;I will not acknowledge plaintext mail. If you are uncomfortable transmitting encrypted data over the wire, please send a USB disk to this box.&quot;
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mixmax将近 12 年前
While I understand her (1) personal reasons for shutting down Groklaw, this is an extraordinarily bad decision for privacy and democracy.<p>In the last few weeks quite a few providers of private communications and&#x2F;or freedom (for some definition of freedom) have shut down. Lavabot, Freedom Hosting, etc. If the US could shut down The Guardian they would.<p>This leaves fewer and fewer secure channels for private communication, and less and less information about what is actually going on.<p>This is an incredibly dangerous road to walk down, and is akin to the Intelligentsia leaving Germany in the 20&#x27;s. We all know how that ended.<p>(1) <i>edited his to her - thanks for pointing it out rolux</i>
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JunkDNA将近 12 年前
This to me is the most pernicious thing about this whole surveillance business. The mere presence of a comprehensive surveillance apparatus, even when you don&#x27;t live in a totalitarian state when jack booted thugs pay you a visit to &quot;get your mind right&quot;, does incalculable damage to the first amendment. In a free society, it&#x27;s &quot;game over&quot; without the first amendment. This is in some ways even more damaging than the actual surveillance (which in theory could be shut off today) because once the public feels they&#x27;ve lost the freedom of speech, it is extremely hard to convince them otherwise. Look at how hard it has been for the citizenry of forer communist countries to embrace and internalize the freedoms we in the US have had for a few hundred years.
pron将近 12 年前
I have said this on HN several times, and I will say this again. Dragnet surveillance of private digital correspondence by the US and other governments is wrong, and a gross, unjustified, overreaction to the real threat of terrorism.<p>And yet, when taken as part of the whole picture that is the internet, government surveillance is little more than a drop in the ocean. While governments may collect a possibly significant amount of correspondence and analyze some of it, almost all online data, e-mail correspondence as well as photos and documents, search history, browsing history, our physical location, the driving, running and cycling routes we take, the busses we use and more, is constantly collected, analyzed monitored and used, all day every day, by private corporations. These corporations are even less subject to oversight than any democratically elected institution, and their employees are less carefully screened.<p>Government surveillance is wrong, but at least it raises an outrage that, in time, is almost certain to bring about change. Corporate surveillance is a more dangerous beast. It employs manipulation and deceit rather than plain-old secrecy, and worst of all – it causes little outrage.<p>Some have compared the current state of things to George Orwell&#x27;s Big Brother government, but those who&#x27;ve read the book know that Big Brother does not rule through secrecy and intimidation. Big Brother is never mistrusted, never hated, and never feared or suspected. People subject themselves to his control willingly. Big Brother is loved. That is how absolute power is gained. And that is why a democratic institution has little hope of ever attaining Big Brother status, especially in America where any government is automatically suspect. The real danger to our privacy and our freedom, the true potential Big Brother and the danger that dwarfs any government surveillance online, is Google, Facebook and their ilk.
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pilif将近 12 年前
<i>&gt; is to use a service like Kolab for email, which is located in Switzerland, and hence is under different laws than the US,</i><p>don&#x27;t do this. Since 1999, email providers in Switzerland are forced to keep all logs and data for one year (currently in discussion to prolong this to 5 years) and hand all data over at the authorities request.<p>If you don&#x27;t comply you will be punished by fines or even jail.<p>I once (early 2000s) received one of these orders and I honestly don&#x27;t remember whether it had a judges signature, but I think it was just some police officer signing it, so I can&#x27;t be sure whether there was (and is) any court oversight.<p>If you want your conversations to be confidential, don&#x27;t choose a Swiss provider.
rainsford将近 12 年前
Maybe I&#x27;m just not &quot;getting it&quot;, but this seems like an incredibly odd decision. It is not a revelation that plaintext email can technically be looked at by people beyond the sender and recipient. And it&#x27;s not clear what in any reported stories would specifically relate to Groklaw&#x27;s use of email.<p>What it seems to come down to is the general fear that the NSA COULD, from a technical perspective, be reading specific unencrypted emails. But before the recent news stories, did PJ (or anyone else) really send and receive emails thinking &quot;there is no way the NSA, or anyone else, can see this email&quot;?<p>As far as chilling effects go, the knowledge that a multi-billion dollar signals intelligence agency is technically capable of reading an unencrypted email seems pretty mild. Is free speech and free communication really so fragile that it rests on the idea that casual communication you make no special effort to protect is totally out of the reach of large police or intelligence organizations?
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prawn将近 12 年前
Chomsky noted in a speech recently (<a href="http://www.salon.com/2013/08/17/chomsky_the_u_s_behaves_nothing_like_a_democracy/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.salon.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;08&#x2F;17&#x2F;chomsky_the_u_s_behaves_noth...</a>) that the very vast majority of us have absolutely no impact on the policy of our governments. Only the upper tiers have influence and the utter richest minority are likely to get what they want.<p>In both the US and where I am in Australia, the two major parties are barely different and doubly so in regards to this whole issue. A vote is not going to mean a great deal.<p>But a vote that can make some difference is voting with our wallets. Can very conscious purchasing decisions made by more and more people remove some of the influence held by the very richest on our planet? Is that too dreamy?<p>Where possible, I try to avoid purchasing from the biggest brand in any category, but there&#x27;d be a lot, lot more I could do about this. If we imagine the typical food pyramid, but fill it with brands and apply it to every product and category showing the richest and most influential at one end and the delightful smallfry at the other, could we help motivate people to make better decisions about where they spend their money? Or even where they earn it? Earn a fraction less to work for a smaller supplier perhaps.<p>Apps, surveys, social media, gamification - these are all things that might help people make more careful decisions. Ride a bike, grow food or buy from independent greengrocers at least, seek out furniture that&#x27;s locally made, etc.<p>Give me a site&#x2F;app that asks me about my life and rates my efforts or motivates me to make a better choice in everything I do. Help me identify brands that feel independent but are actually owned by corporate monsters.
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deerpig将近 12 年前
This is such depressing news. And I&#x27;ve been trying to think of a way to solve this technically, but the Government has the five dollar wrench, and all we have is the crypto.<p>Code will not be enough, the system only respects one thing, money. If enough people move to services outside of the States, the real people in power will tell the government to reinstate at least some civil liberties and human rights. But even then, don&#x27;t expect too much.<p>As mixmax said, this is &quot;akin the Intelligentsia leaving Germany in the 20&#x27;s.&quot; It will start with moving to hosting and services outside the country and will eventually be followed by people physically leaving the country. As James Joyce said, &quot;silence, cunning... exile&quot;!<p>It&#x27;s not so bad. I&#x27;ve been an expat for 26 years and I&#x27;ve never looked back.
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lkrubner将近 12 年前
It is almost a cliche at this point, but it is worth remembering Martin Niemöller&#x27;s words. He made the same mistake that many people are making today: thinking they don&#x27;t have to worry because they are not the people whom the government is persecuting today. And the unfolding of events taught Martin Niemöller a very painful lesson. In an ideal world, the public would hear his words and learn the lesson without having to repeat all the mistakes of the past.<p>He wrote:<p>First they came for the communists, and I didn&#x27;t speak out because I wasn&#x27;t a communist.<p>Then they came for the socialists, and I didn&#x27;t speak out because I wasn&#x27;t a socialist.<p>Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn&#x27;t speak out because I wasn&#x27;t a trade unionist.<p>Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
gokhan将近 12 年前
Want to keep your rights and freedom? It&#x27;s time to act, now. History is full of great things going all the way down. Don&#x27;t wait for the Superman.
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driverdan将近 12 年前
This doesn&#x27;t make sense to me. There&#x27;s a simple technical solution: stop using email for tips and setup a secure web form on the site. Can someone explain why this wouldn&#x27;t solve the problem?
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MichaelGG将近 12 年前
I guess I don&#x27;t get it. Didn&#x27;t we &quot;know&quot; about things like Carnivore in the 90s? Isn&#x27;t it rather expected that unencrypted communications are going to be gathered? You don&#x27;t even need a nation-state to do so. Anyone with physical access can place taps, and parsing and saving port 25 traffic ain&#x27;t exactly Manhattan Project level work.<p>I agree it&#x27;s upsetting and citizens should be demanding oversight. But to assume your plaintext transmissions over uncontrolled wires are somehow private seems absurd. It&#x27;s like the silliness people got whipped into over Google&#x27;s WiFi collection which was essentially passing &quot;-s 0&quot; instead of &quot;-s 64&quot; to tcpdump.
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arkitaip将近 12 年前
Sad but also very understandable. Thanks pj for all your hard work throughout the years and for being one of the most diligent watchdogs in the foss community.
wyck将近 12 年前
The solution at least for the time being is not going to be over the pipes, it will have to be real world.<p>A 1 GB USB costs approximately 4$ , you can encrypt the information and use the regular mail with no return address. To avoid cameras in the post office you can use a 3rd party or a real world dropbox.<p>This sounds so sci-fi dystopian it&#x27;s hard to believe it actually a plausible solution.<p>ps. Don&#x27;t forget to use gloves, make sure &quot;they&quot; can&#x27;t track your purchase, and also check if the drive is clean as a whistle.
sz4kerto将近 12 年前
For me, personally, this is much more sad than Lavabit shutting down. Groklaw was an icon, it has huge significance.<p>I do not know whether this - i.e. shutting down - is a good strategy in general. It raises some awareness, it might cause some change ... but what if change does not happens? What other means of protest will we have?
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brown9-2将近 12 年前
Can anyone explain for the uninformed how anything like surveillance affects Groklaw?<p>I was under the (probably wrong) impression that most of what Groklaw did was explain the law and court cases in simple terms.
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random42将近 12 年前
A sad day indeed. The government has become &quot;the terrorists&quot;.
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r0h1n将近 12 年前
When folks like Lavabit and Groklaw preemptively shut down because they cannot take the security &amp; privacy of their communications for granted, it makes me wonder the converse: how are other companies that deal in sensitive information (patents, lawsuits, competitive bids etc.) dealing with it?<p>Have they resigned themselves to it? Are they devising new corporate communication policies that assume always-on surveillance? Are they thinking things will improve after this storm has passed?
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gwu78将近 12 年前
Can you follow the logic of the pj post?<p>Snowden uses Lavabit email service. Snowden leaks top secret material belonging to US and UK. US demands Snowden&#x27;s emails from Lavabit. Lavabit shuts down.<p>pj reads news of Lavabit and concludes that email is not anonymous. (Email was never truly anonymous, unless you count anonymous remailers. Surely she knew this.) pj concludes that she should shut down Groklaw. (Why not just warn everyone that she will comply with legal requirements, like Google and myriad other web-based businesses do, for example. Millions of people still use these services even with that warning.) pj concludes that she should no longer use &quot;the internet&quot; (cf. email). (Huh? Email is but one use of the internet; it was designed ages ago and was never intended to be anonymous.)<p>Are people who leak top secret material and are wanted by US authorities sending emails to pj? If not, then please help me understand pj&#x27;s logic.<p>If Snowden sent emails to pj, and pj, like Lavabit, does not wish to comply with authorities and hand over whatever they&#x27;ve got, then I guess shutting down Groklaw makes sense. I guess.<p>You cannot have a right to privacy as Brandeis envisioned it when you lack any reasonable expectation of privacy. Reading pj&#x27;s post it sounds like she&#x27;s abandoned _all_ expectations of privacy with respect to the internet (which includes email among so many other potential uses). This reeks of &quot;all-or-nothing&quot; thinking.<p>Lawmakers have no reason to exceed the expectations of their employers. If you the voter and taxpayer expect zero privacy, you should not be surprised if that&#x27;s what is delivered.
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herrschindler将近 12 年前
Comment of the CEO of the service PJ chose for her communications: <a href="http://blogs.fsfe.org/greve/?p=625" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.fsfe.org&#x2F;greve&#x2F;?p=625</a><p>&quot;While we’re happy to provide a privacy asylum in a safe legislation, society should not need them. Privacy should be the default, not the exception.&quot;<p>So it&#x27;s come down to privacy asylums and digital refugee camps now. WTF?
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rahoulb将近 12 年前
&gt; But for me, the Internet is over.<p>This is how I&#x27;ve been feeling about it for the last few weeks.
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logn将近 12 年前
I posted this in response to the American being groped on travel to India, got -3 karma points: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6240211" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6240211</a><p>Now I&#x27;m reading this story, in which pj explains her story which was exactly my point from the comment linked above. What&#x27;s the deal?<p>Anyhow, yes, when the sum of human communication is read by the US government (and other governments and private intel corporations) then it&#x27;s incredibly destructive to the human condition and society.<p>We&#x27;re fucked. Time to start fixing this for real. Open up your IDE&#x27;s and&#x2F;or text editors and get to work. Make sure to open source (GPL or Affero GPL) everything. Work on decentralized P2P encrypted networking. Good projects: cjdns ... see you on the flip side. Hack the Planet!
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pgcsmd将近 12 年前
Groklaw has been a jewel in the crown of the free internet. We are all unbelievably impoverished by its passing. This is truly awful.
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astral303将近 12 年前
That is really sad.<p>We need some kind of a &quot;want my privacy back&quot; backlash or a movement. A slogan that we can unite against and spread the message across the populace.<p>It&#x27;s the kind of slogan you use against not only the mass surveillance by the NSA, but also against vehicle miles traveled tax that puts a GPS in your car and against those insurance company OBD-II dongles (Progressive Snapshot) that record your driving and transmit it back. Against surveillance cameras on every city block. Against the idea that &quot;if you have nothing to hide&quot;, then you will have no problem with surveillance.
thezilch将近 12 年前
At first I thought, pj is using the &quot;NSA&quot; scapegoat as a copout. Email is the reason??? Use GPG! But then I remember how difficult it is to get even my most technical friends to care about secure communications. GPG is a two-way street; for pj to communicate with groklaw constituents or partners or partners of partners, they&#x27;d ALL have to be using GPG. Otherwise, someone without it is going to leak what was assumed to be a secure thread. The weakest link conundrum.
augustl将近 12 年前
Would just like to mention mailpile: <a href="http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mailpile-taking-e-mail-back" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indiegogo.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;mailpile-taking-e-mail-bac...</a><p>They aim to create an self-hosted e-mail client with (among other things) a new take on encryption usability. I think this is one step in the right directoin of making e-mail encryption easier to use. If you think so too, back them :)
oneandoneis2将近 12 年前
OMG.. Groklaw shut down!?<p>I&#x27;m in shock.
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rlpb将近 12 年前
How feasible is Freenet for email? We can use PGP today, but the metadata is available to all. But what journalists who need to communicate more anonymously that that used pseudonymous PGP keys - one per story, rather one per person, and posted encrypted messages on Freenet?
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_sh将近 12 年前
Americans! Every time someone wants to introduce gun control, you bang on and on about your right to keep and bear arms being necessary to the security of a free State.<p>Well, your free state is in jeopardy. Now is the time to assemble your well-regulated militia to secure it!
zmmmmm将近 12 年前
Wow. Crazy.<p>PJ presents it generically, but I can&#x27;t help wondering if that is for legal reasons and something specific has happened that cannot be told.<p>Either way, a tragedy - the world needs, right now, exactly people like PJ and websites like Groklaw.
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mike-cardwell将近 12 年前
Why do they &quot;require&quot; email in order to function? Can&#x27;t they handle communication via a web based application which is part of the site? A few forms here and there, some https...
TheMagicHorsey将近 12 年前
What does the NSA have to do with Groklaw? They don&#x27;t get anonymous tips from whistleblowers do they? This is weird. Someone please explain.
001sky将近 12 年前
<i>My personal decision is to get off of the Internet to the degree it&#x27;s possible. I&#x27;m just an ordinary person. But I really know, after all my research and some serious thinking things through, that I can&#x27;t stay online personally without losing my humanness, now that I know that ensuring privacy online is impossible. I find myself unable to write....</i><p>-- the crux
kabisote将近 12 年前
The scripture quoted in the article is Jeremiah 10:23. History verifies the truthfulness of that scripture. Government by man has not brought a better world, even when rulers have had high ideals and the best of intentions. Instead, &quot;man has dominated man to his injury.&quot; -(Ecclesiastes 8:9)
fmax30将近 12 年前
You cannot just quit internet, you just can-not. Aren&#x27;t there any secure email providers like lavabit in Europe or Asia .<p>Whenever I think about NSA now , in a corner of my mind , I see Dan Brown Saying, &quot; I told you so&quot;. With a copy of Digital fortress (his book about NSA) in his hand.
kineticfocus将近 12 年前
relevant link...(Google+, Real Names, and Groklaw&#x27;s Pamela Jones)(2011) <a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/google-real-names-and-groklaws-pamela-jones/1454" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zdnet.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;networking&#x2F;google-real-names-and-g...</a>
runn1ng将近 12 年前
Frankly, I don&#x27;t understand that.<p>E-mails are unsafe for private communication. What the recent revelations did is that they showed that e-mails <i>really are unsafe</i>.<p>If you are really afraid that you are under surveillance, switch to PGP. It&#x27;s not hard.
throw7将近 12 年前
This is not surprising since &quot;pj&quot; guards his privacy and anonymity. Two things the surveillance state doesn&#x27;t want you to have.
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yuhong将近 12 年前
I hope if they really insist on doing this that they will be ready to cover the Lavabit lawsuit when the secrecy is removed.
frank_boyd将近 12 年前
It could be they were served a &quot;National Security Letter&quot;.<p>Could this happen to a site like HN? And if so, would we know?
ricardobeat将近 12 年前
What about using a secure electronic drop box like Wikileaks does? Crypto still works.
jheriko将近 12 年前
at the risk of encouraging brainless anger responses.<p>yes lets all bend over and take it up the ass...<p>because someone says what they learned makes them not want to use e-mail? this is precisely the opposite of how to stand up to oppression.<p>no matter what it is the response should not be &quot;well i&#x27;m going to stop being free and let them oppress me&quot; you may as well just lay down and die in my mind...<p>you are born free whether you like it or not and nobody can take that away but yourself.
etchalon将近 12 年前
Such utter bullshit.
Questioneer将近 12 年前
Lets not try to code our way out of this.<p>We succumb to terror pushing away meaningless bits of code on Github as a crypto projects in response. Some projects flourish sure but the same forces that profit off the court-less killings of others are collating your data, your pet projects. Harvesting your stolen info out of botnets.<p>Giving you a salary for technician work keeping infrastructure ticking.<p>Enough enabling the beastly mess that is privatized &#x27;national&#x27; security. The payments to infrastructure providing companies for data access. The kidnapping&#x2F;torture&#x2F;drone fire of others when technological routes don&#x27;t work.<p>If you have a career with Dell, AT&amp;T, Booz Allen Hamilton, SAIC, and many others, start making demands or make resumes. Stop being complicit.
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Questioneer将近 12 年前
So about botnet data, here is one NSA related company that deals with data the coders are jailed over, Endgame Systems[1].<p>&quot;botnet-analytics package gets you access to a database of Internet addresses, organization names, and worm types for hundreds of millions of infected computers, and costs $1.5 million.&quot;<p>Folks like the industrious pj have much to worry about when &#x27;outside channels&#x27; are made into a a for-profit process. Combine &#x27;parallel investigations&#x27; with &#x27;outside channels&#x27; with a healthy dash of money for the ringleaders and some for the heads of the companies they pay (Google) and you plenty of reason not to talk law or much else over Email.<p>It is becoming a desperate situation for noncombatants.<p>[1] <a href="http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.echelon2.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Endgame_Systems</a>
bengrunfeld将近 12 年前
Without sounding trollish, I believe there is a need for a completely new &#x27;transfer of information&#x27; protocol that is as immune as possible to NSA (or other agency) snooping. She&#x27;s right, the internet is broken. So rather than posting endless articles about how it sucks, and suffering heart-breaking tragedies like Groklaw shutting down, why don&#x27;t we build something new, something truly beautiful, by which I mean something truly private?<p>To summarize my point, quoting PJ, &quot;privacy is vital to being human, which is why one of the worst punishments there is is total surveillance...&quot;
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JonFish85将近 12 年前
Well that&#x27;s puerile. Talk about taking things to extremes--just like a child would do. &quot;We can&#x27;t go to grandma&#x27;s right now? WE&#x27;RE NEVER GOING TO GRANDMA&#x27;S EVER!&quot;<p>&quot;What I do know is it&#x27;s not possible to be fully human if you are being surveilled 24&#x2F;7.&quot; Yeah? Well if you&#x27;re using this as your benchmark, then you should never go out in public, because I guarantee you&#x27;re on videotape someplace. Security cameras are everywhere. And let&#x27;s not play games: your ISP has been monitoring your browsing &amp; download history for decades. Nevermind phone calls, any tolls you paid while driving, any bill you paid via credit card, any flight you&#x27;ve taken, any country you&#x27;ve traveled.<p>Now this is broken and suddenly you care? Stop fucking playing the victim card for attention, I&#x27;m sick of it. And I&#x27;m not just talking about the Groklaw people, this goes for whoever jumps on the &quot;OMG I&#x27;m shutting down now&quot; bandwagon for a portion of the 15 minutes of fame going around.<p>You want to make a difference? Start getting involved in politics. Internet-rage does nothing but get you a few website hits before people go back to caring about the A-Rod scandal, or the Obamas&#x27; new dog.