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Nginx Plus

340 点作者 Aqua_Geek超过 11 年前

32 条评论

pilif超过 11 年前
I fully appreciate the need for the developers of nginx to make money and I can understand that moving to what essentially is open-core is probably the only way for them to actually make money out of nginx (the thing works so well that selling support contracts probably won&#x27;t do).<p>But open-core shifts motivation of the developers away from something the community at large can profit. Whenever a new feature is debated internally, it will have to be placed in the closed or open bracket. The more complicated the feature, the more likely it&#x27;s going to be closed. The more time spent on closed features, the less time is available for open ones.<p>Worse, when people want to submit patches (it&#x27;s still open source after all), their patches aren&#x27;t just vetted for quality and whether they fit the overall product vision. They are now also vetted against an internal roadmap of planned commercial features, making it impossible or highly unlikely for a feature on the internal roadmap to ever by accepted from outside sources.<p>This has a huge potential to diminish the product as it&#x27;s available for the community at large.<p>Combine this with the fact that purchasing the pro version isn&#x27;t really possible without talking to sales (heck - it&#x27;s not even possible to learn the price without talking to sales), the full product won&#x27;t even be available for most of us (unwilling to deal with sales people) which makes this even more painful.<p>I&#x27;m not saying I&#x27;ll be looking to move away quickly, but I think it might be time to start evaluating possible alternatives as they come along.<p>edit:<p>To add something constructive: I would have much preferred them to move into a service business based on their knowledge about nginx and do something like a cloud flare competitor or other stuff related to serving HTTP, so basically anything they are now using as arguments for buying the pro version, but as a service.<p>They would still be able to a) use their good name related to the backend technology and b) profit from their huge know-how of the internal workings of nginx to create patches and features for internal use. That would still drain some development time, but it wouldn&#x27;t be wasted on polish and UI which is needed in this open-core case. :-)
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ksec超过 11 年前
I really dont get it.<p>People have been using Nginx, saving money and time over the years. And not paying for a single dollar. And as you see from all these post, No sign, signal or movement of appreciation what so ever.<p>Now you make enough money out of&#x2F;with it. They want to survive and charge for some advance features. MOST of it are already being done with a few more simple scripts and manual setup.<p>And you shout foul. Most of you didn&#x27;t even need Adaptive Streaming Media Support. And so most of those features in Plus are already being used by you in some way or another.<p>And if you really did need Adaptive Streaming Media Support, how about paying for it? And if you dont want to pay for it, how about some meaning donation to Nginx for something that you have used and take it for granted?<p>Sometimes i really do understand why folks swear by GPL, or AGPL.<p>And if anything, I really expected better, especially from HackerNews where StartUp gathers around. And StartUps are all about creating values, not destroying it.
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Nux超过 11 年前
These guys have given the world a lot and they deserve to make some money. Without people like them we&#x27;d be running abominations like MS IIS.<p>I am not however very sure the open core model would work that well, people generally dread it as it tends to be crippleware.<p>Serious question: can anyone name one open core product that is really successfull?<p>If I were the people behind Nginx I would make my money through selling my technical expertise and support. Pretty much like RedHat make their money.<p>On the other side, this would make room for some new projects or for older to pick up some new steam (e.g. lighty, cherokee).
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AhtiK超过 11 年前
Most of the Plus additions are reasonable as a separate commercial offering.<p>What concerns me most is that &quot;on-the-fly reconfiguration&quot; and &quot;advanced load balancing&quot; [1] has been introduced as Plus. It feels like they freeze an existing feature for OSS offering and all the improvements on these primary product features will be commercial.<p>[1] <a href="http://nginx.com/media/cms_page_media/21/nginx_plus_datasheet.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nginx.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;cms_page_media&#x2F;21&#x2F;nginx_plus_datashee...</a>
moreentropy超过 11 年前
Apart from the Adaptive Media Streaming feature, all the &quot;plus&quot; features seem to be stuff that anybody can have with the open source version and some external scripting&#x2F;integration:<p>* Application Health Checking -&gt; Nagios * Monitoring -&gt; stub_status_module + Munin&#x2F;Nagios * Advanced Load Balancing -&gt; Chain Varnish &#x2F; Nginx * Dynamic Configuration -&gt; Seamless configuration reload without service interruption is possible in the open source version * High Availability -&gt; Pacemaker or whatever...<p>That&#x27;s stuff that high traffic sites have covered themselves. But: Many normal Enterprise IT ops won&#x27;t touch Nginx with a stick if they can&#x27;t pay for it and have someone to blame should things go wrong. Plus, managers love shiny dashboards, buzzword features and fact sheets like <a href="http://nginx.com/media/cms_page_media/21/nginx_plus_datasheet.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nginx.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;cms_page_media&#x2F;21&#x2F;nginx_plus_datashee...</a><p>Everybody wins.
dodyg超过 11 年前
May him make tons of money.<p>Nginx provides more values than hundreds of million-dollars acquihires nowadays.
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helloTree超过 11 年前
Yeah, I can feel with them and it IS hard to make money with FOSS software. I think the problem is that the argument &quot;You can sell support and consultancy to your software.&quot; is a little bit flawed as it contradicts with one fundamental purpose of software development: automating things;<p>So things should just work and if you are able to build a software that is easy to install, start and configure the user has no demand for support.
lowglow超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m a hacker who has built a ton of services with Nginx, and the concerns you all raised were my initial concerns as well. I&#x27;ve been lucky enough to work closely with the guys at Nginx (we even had an Nginx feedback meetup [shameless plug <a href="http://sfhackernews.com]" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sfhackernews.com]</a>). Brilliant group.<p>This product is built with your help. The roadmap reflects services you requested, but in no way would this company ever prevent the scene from offering additional patches, etc. that would serve to better the product itself.<p>If anything, this should be a welcome hint that this company is seriously looking forward to the future of growing itself into a competitive entity that is vigilant about bettering what services&#x2F;products it offers.<p>&#x2F;twocents
ryansouza超过 11 年前
Wish the page had more specific technical details and less sales-speak
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pcunite超过 11 年前
What a fantastic product offering. They&#x27;ve clearly been listening to their users. For those of you who may not understand: when lots of people are using your product to make money ... you can charge for <i>your</i> services.
iancarroll超过 11 年前
Nginx has had a Nginx SE that was around $1300 per month per insurance for a while now. This seems to just be a rename. I&#x27;m not sure how this suddenly starts worrying you, but the open and closed bracket has existed for quite some time.
w00kie超过 11 年前
Do we actually know if this is a different closed source branch with all these features baked in the app itself or is it a service offering bundling other systems&#x2F;scripts into a nice platform on top of everyday nginx? (i.e. can be re-created with the proper recipe, just lacking the support)
eminh超过 11 年前
Sad news, although it was obviously coming. Glad for Igor and others involved, but for me it is about time to start looking for alternatives.
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MatthewPhillips超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been thinking about going back to Apache on at least one server due to Nginx&#x27;s poor WebDAV support. This might just push me over the edge.
justin_vanw超过 11 年前
Whether or not it&#x27;s in line with the industry, the pricing here is <i>insane</i>.<p>The cheapest is $1350&#x2F;yr&#x2F;server. For that you get... remote logging? Configuration reloading? Oh my...<p>Zero downtime deploys? Is that a thing people care about? If you don&#x27;t have server redundancy, having zero downtime deployments might be nice, but sooner or later you are going to have to reboot that machine, or you&#x27;ll deploy broken code or bad configuration. Then what? If you do have server redundancy, zero downtime isn&#x27;t even a feature. Not to mention, while nginx might have zero downtime, it&#x27;s a fair amount of work to build an application that can be deployed with zero downtime. Maybe people are using nginx as a load balancer? If they are, and downtime really matters to them, they are seriously fucking up.<p>I expect a lot of corporations to pay this just because of some policy that they have to have support contracts in place for everything, but honestly, this is redunk.
grey-area超过 11 年前
I really like this, my only concern is that they don&#x27;t link prominently to nginx.org - that worries me because the open source and free version is necessary for this commercial version to exist - if they get rid of it, I think many would reconsider using nginx long-term. I don&#x27;t see a link on this page anywhere.
mrintegrity超过 11 年前
So do most people use Nginx as a load balancer <i>and</i> webserver?<p>I am using Apache webservers behind a fronted running Pound proxy (www.apsis.ch&#x2F;pound‎). Pound is mind-bogglingly easy to setup and use, anyone looking for an Nginx replacement should really start there.
cpursley超过 11 年前
All this criticism odd. Having an open source and a paid premium product is very common in this industry.<p>Over the last week or so been learning about nginx as a possible solution to serve up compiled JS apps. Rails asset pipeline is just too slow - especially on heroku.<p>I&#x27;ve been working on my first real open source project - an nginx buildpack for Heroku&#x2F;Dokku&#x2F;Flynn optimized for static JS sites: <a href="https://github.com/cpursley/buildpack-nginx-js" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cpursley&#x2F;buildpack-nginx-js</a>
x3sphere超过 11 年前
Doesn&#x27;t seem like Nginx Plus is hugely different from the open-source offering. I don&#x27;t get the backlash. You are paying mostly for support - not the product. I&#x27;m fine with that.
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ebbv超过 11 年前
I love nginx and have been a huge evangelist for it. I also understand the need for the developers to make money. This makes me sad, though. I don&#x27;t see good things coming from it.<p>Open Source works because the motivation is purely based on making the best product possible. Once you have this open core model, the stronger motivation is on the money making side of things. This means likely the free version will stagnate.
coopr超过 11 年前
Curious about what sort of advanced metrics you get with NGINX Plus? Install the NGNIX plugin for New Relic (both it and New Relic Standard are free) and you&#x27;ll see a bunch of charts marked &quot;NGINX Plus only&quot; <a href="http://newrelic.com/plugins/nginx-inc/13" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;newrelic.com&#x2F;plugins&#x2F;nginx-inc&#x2F;13</a>
beachstartup超过 11 年前
the nginx, inc. CEO is the former vp of bizdev at redhat.<p><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/gusrobertson" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;gusrobertson</a>
tux超过 11 年前
Calm down folks, there will always be open-source version =)
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ck2超过 11 年前
So this is going to be like Redhat -&gt; CentOS ?
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mmgutz超过 11 年前
So, I&#x27;m a little confused. Did the PLUS features exist in the nginx we all know and taken away? Or, are the PLUS features new?
mh-超过 11 年前
seems to be available in the AWS marketplace here (just found it by Googling):<p><a href="https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B00A04GAG4/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aws.amazon.com&#x2F;marketplace&#x2F;pp&#x2F;B00A04GAG4&#x2F;</a><p>unfortunately it&#x27;s not available for cluster compute&#x2F;HVM instances, so I can&#x27;t compare it with our existing nginx deployment.
tootie超过 11 年前
So, that&#x27;s a lot of marketing speak. Is this being positioned as an alternative to products like Varnish and F5?
j_baker超过 11 年前
$1300 per server per year sounds a bit expensive, at least when compared to Amazon ELB. What&#x27;s the benefit?
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X4超过 11 年前
I predicted that, although I bet that they do it earlier. It is surprising that it took them until August 2013.
nilved超过 11 年前
So what&#x27;s a good alternative to nginx? Not going back to Apache, that&#x27;s for sure.
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misterjinx超过 11 年前
is there anywhere a side by side comparison between the two versions ?
zobzu超过 11 年前
so, nginx is no longer &quot;fully opensource&quot; so, fuck it. (yeah, i don&#x27;t care - its closed, i can&#x27;t help patch it&#x2F;fix it&#x2F;what not =&gt; fork or use something else)<p>note that i&#x27;d totally pay for support - its the closedness that bothers me.
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