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Wildfire threatening the power grid that supplies San Francisco

141 点作者 mpchlets超过 11 年前

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001sky超过 11 年前
For anyone wondering what the relationship between wildfires in Yosemite and San Francisco proper, its worth a small comment. California&#x27;s Sierra Nevada range is a couple hours east of SF. These mountains include the highest points in the continental US. Trapping most of the water from the east-west jet stream. The sierras hold massive amounts of high-quality water, which runs out of the non-porous terrain of the high-alpine regions. The sierras are something of a geological monolith, not unlike a giant bathub [1]. SF taps into this water source at a dam on the West; LA taps into it on the East (LA acqueduct). This fire is threatening the a region about an hour or so north of Yosemite Valley, and west of Tuolome Meadows, where some critical infrastucure resides.[2]<p>[1] <a href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Sierra_nevada_schematic.svg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;upload.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wikipedia&#x2F;en&#x2F;a&#x2F;a2&#x2F;Sierra_nevada...</a><p>[2] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Shaughnessy_Dam_%28California%29" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;O%27Shaughnessy_Dam_%28Califor...</a>
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agwa超过 11 年前
This article is vague (and overly alarmist); other sources I have read indicate that the threat is to SF&#x27;s municipal power company, which provides power primarily to municipal buildings (including, most notably, SFO!). The vast majority of people in SF and the Bay Area get their power from PG&amp;E, which has power plants in many more places than just Yosemite.<p>More info: <a href="http://www.sfwater.org/index.aspx?page=391" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfwater.org&#x2F;index.aspx?page=391</a>
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Stratoscope超过 11 年前
Hetch Hetchy water doesn&#x27;t just go to San Francisco. Two-thirds of it goes to other cities and towns on the Peninsula, the South Bay, and in Alameda County. In particular, many cities that the Hetch Hetchy Aqueduct runs through get some of the water, because voter approval in those cities was part of the campaign to get the project built.<p>For example, 74% of Mountain View&#x27;s water comes from Hetch Hetchy. (They get 87% of their water from the SF Public Utilities Commission, and 85% of that comes from Hetch Hetchy.) [1]<p>Daly City, San Bruno, and South San Francisco currently get 67% of their water from SFPUC and the rest from local aquifers, with a project in the works to increase the SFPUC portion to 100%. [2]<p>Palo Alto, Menlo Park, and other towns also rely on it, although I don&#x27;t know the percentages.<p>Many have seen the pipeline that crosses the Bay between the Dumbarton Bridge and the old railroad bridge.<p>There are also a number places in the Peninsula and South Bay where you can see parts of the Hetch Hetchy Aqueduct, either the pipes themselves or the above-ground access hatches where the pipe is underground. These are white structures, often circular.<p>For example if you walk or run the Dish Trail at Stanford, you can see a number of these next to the northernmost part of the trail. This is part of the southern branch of the Aqueduct, which doesn&#x27;t cross the Bay but cuts south through Milpitas, Sunnyvale, and Mountain View.<p>Several places where you see a residential street that is divided with a very wide grassy or dirt median, that&#x27;s the Aqueduct: Sharon Heights Drive and Ivy Drive in Menlo Park are examples.<p>Along Edgewood Road near 280 there are a number of pipeline sections where it alternates between above-ground bridges and underground sections through those hills. The pipeline then parallels the Cordilleras Trail in the Pulgas Ridge Open Space Preserve where you can see some of the access structures.<p>On the other side of 280 on Cañada Road there is the famous Pulgas Water Temple [4], where you can really get a sense of how much water flows through the Aqueduct.<p>For the obsessively curious like me, several years ago I traced the path of the southern branch of the Aqueduct and made a KML file marking some of the visible structures. [3] Someone else had made a similar file for the northern branch but I don&#x27;t know where to find that now.<p>[1]: <a href="http://www.mountainview.gov/city_hall/public_works/water_conservation/supply.asp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mountainview.gov&#x2F;city_hall&#x2F;public_works&#x2F;water_con...</a><p>[2]: <a href="http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/three-peninsula-cities-may-soon-switch-from-groundwater-to-hetch-hetchy-water/Content?oid=2349754" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfexaminer.com&#x2F;sanfrancisco&#x2F;three-peninsula-citie...</a><p>[3]: <a href="http://mg.to/earth/hetchy.kml" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mg.to&#x2F;earth&#x2F;hetchy.kml</a><p>[4]: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulgas_Water_Temple" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pulgas_Water_Temple</a>
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fnordfnordfnord超过 11 年前
Looks like a good case for decentralization of the power grid; a good application for a small modular LFTR[1] (or similar) power units. As a bonus, you won&#x27;t need to spoil the scenery with HV transmission lines anymore.<p>[1] Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor
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joering2超过 11 年前
The system continues to be broken. Hundreds of millions going into building lethal drones to deploy to Afganistan&#x2F;ME; some major american cities are on a brink of releasing police surveillance drones en masse (its constitution&#x2F;law-questionable now), and yet we do not have drones to fight fire.<p>I am pretty sure there are lot of challenges within the project, but I can envision drones working together to connect each other and transport water to sprinkle it when needed without humans being endangered. I mean, if we achieved this [1], why not go further?<p>[1] <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDyfGM35ekc" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=oDyfGM35ekc</a>
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nether超过 11 年前
Isn&#x27;t there a Google interview question for this?
tomjen3超过 11 年前
Damn. The powers that be better do something about this fast. SF is about one of the last places in the US to develop new things.<p>Heck just a temporary prolonged outage of Google alone would have huge negative consequences for the US (not to mention the world). Amazon AWS US west is in Northeren California. I wonder how big the negative effect will be on just how many companies?
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