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The Hackathon Experience Is a Hack

77 点作者 tomordonez超过 11 年前

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jmduke超过 11 年前
The Hackathon in question is apparently BattleHack Miami, hosted by PayPal:<p><a href="http://miamiherald.typepad.com/the-starting-gate/2013/08/battlehack-miami-and-the-winners-are.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;miamiherald.typepad.com&#x2F;the-starting-gate&#x2F;2013&#x2F;08&#x2F;bat...</a><p>The winner in question was YellowPepper, who at the very least share their name with a startup also involved in mobile banking (<a href="http://www.yellowpepper.com/#/homeId/homeCB/page/home.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.yellowpepper.com&#x2F;#&#x2F;homeId&#x2F;homeCB&#x2F;page&#x2F;home.html</a>) and have issued a press release from Miami (<a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/yellowpepper-and-fundamo-partner-to-bring-greater-access-to-mobile-money-services-in-latin-america-84463442.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.prnewswire.com&#x2F;news-releases&#x2F;yellowpepper-and-fun...</a>).<p>(I&#x27;m not involved, I just saw this through Tom&#x27;s Twitter.)
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ssafejava超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve seen this before. I was involved in one where the winning team had been working for months beforehand (their website was registered &gt; 6mo before the event), had prepared presentation materials far before the event including design mockups, and presented with nothing more than a pre-cooked video that was looked manipulated to show &quot;working&quot; code. None of us knew for sure, but it looked like they had just built static HTML pages and transitioned between them.<p>For those of us who had built working products, it felt more than a bit cheap. We saw some great code and very little of it was recognized.<p>I believe the issue is one of expectations and marketing for these events. They are pitched as &quot;hackathons&quot; and try very hard to attract engineers, as you simply can&#x27;t have the event without coders. Therefore, engineers reasonably expect an event where the best code wins. After all, it&#x27;s called a &quot;hackathon&quot;, not a &quot;meet &amp; greet with investors&quot; or even a &quot;startup weekend&quot;. In the end, it just felt like the judges were putting themselves into the mindset of investors, and in that case, obviously the team that has prepared for months beforehand will win. But to the coders, we felt cheated, and that they had completely missed the point.
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jdn超过 11 年前
It seems there is a lot of &quot;startup weekend&quot; events masquerading as Hackathons. A Hackathon shouldn&#x27;t be about business, or funding; no one should be leaving that room with investors interested in funding their 24 hour hackathon idea. It&#x27;s for fun, collaboration and learning. When one of the judges took to stage at Hacked.io in London and banned business pitches, there was a small cheer.
ggopman超过 11 年前
Hi,<p>I&#x27;m the founder of AngelHack, we organize large hackathons around the world and I can tell you this article doesn&#x27;t hold true for us (though I can&#x27;t speak for other events). We operate independently of companies and choose winners based on hour things-- Completeness, Impactfulness, Technical difficulty, and viability. We had some issues in our early days with pre-done code, so now all winning teams are subject to code reviews after winning (and in the case where the review shows previous work has been done, we contact the second place winner and invite them to our finals event instead. We do this discretely as to not shame the initial winner who sometimes may not have understood the rules). I&#x27;d say this happens 5% of the time, so this is very much the exception and not the rule.<p>I started AngelHack so that people could have a shot of getting exposure for their ideas and support in taking them to the next level. We welcome everyone to our events, startups who want a good environment to team build and work on new things to indie-devs looking for an outlet from their typically work week. Normally, great coders win and great ideas come out of it. Our mission from there to provide support and mentorship, so top teams have a fighting chance at turning their hack into a startup. Many companies raise funding after they win our events and we&#x27;re proud of that. They literally start at our events and now they are in YC, TechStars, AngelPad, and you name it. That&#x27;s cool. With 35 cities happening concurrently, sometimes the quality of what judges pick can vary, where even I myself have had WTF moments on who won, but the majority of our judges pick solid winners and if I see something was really awesome, I&#x27;ll still invite that team into our finals, regardless of what the judges choose.<p>My take on corporate hackathons -- most award winners based on who has spent the most time digging into the API and asking good questions to the company -- these would be teams who helped them improve their product and teams that they&#x27;d like to believe will finish their product so they can showcase it on their app-store&#x2F;&#x2F; dev-site. Again, I can&#x27;t speak for everyone, but that&#x27;s the trend I see.<p>And for Startup Weekend, they don&#x27;t throw hackathons. They do a business plan event, where they don&#x27;t really care what comes in or comes out. It&#x27;s about uniting the community and doing customer development on ideas. They judge based on who they feel has improved and who makes the the crowd happy. It&#x27;s not really a competition.<p>All this said, I&#x27;m curious what people think hackathons should be judged on. Imagine you were giving away $10,000 -- how would you decide? Would you do it on what&#x27;s cool, based solely on the tech, based on what could make revenue, based on the teams passion for what they are doing? Solve that, and AngelHack would gladly integrate it in with our events worldwide. Again, currently we judge based on Completeness, Impactfulness, Technical difficulty, and viability.
a_soncodi超过 11 年前
The term hack and its derivatives are trite. People use them because they perk ears. In Dallas, I&#x27;ve attended events where first place won with a &#x27;business plan&#x27; consisting of buzzword-laden management-speak and a clever whiteboard diagram. This is a product of the community; the culture here is business-oriented.<p>A solution is to set expectations on having a good time and socializing, or not to attend. Instead, you may more satisfaction from working on real projects that survive the weekend. At a hackathon, or any event in general, you serve the host&#x27;s purpose. Their game, their rules.
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caphill超过 11 年前
I went to my first hackathon a few weeks ago and it was very skeevy with all the idea people floating around looking for folks to build their idea for free while they watch.<p>Hackathons would be fun if it was all about everyone building what ever and having a good time instead a lot of them seem building a business focused.
brandall10超过 11 年前
&quot;Or startup weekends&quot;<p>Having been to a couple startup weekends, I feel like this behavior would be pretty atypical?<p>I am aware of how Zaarly was started - Ashton Kutcher was a &#x27;surprise&#x27; judge, happened to be a good friend of a co-founder, and subsequent investor. Both founders were Startup Weekend board members. It seemed like a staged event for a company launch.<p><a href="http://startupweekend.org/2011/03/09/from-zero-to-1mil-in-3-weeks-zaarly-goes-warp-speed/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;startupweekend.org&#x2F;2011&#x2F;03&#x2F;09&#x2F;from-zero-to-1mil-in-3-...</a><p>Aside from that, have there been others?
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nsenifty超过 11 年前
Off-topic: The blog title is a perfect example to demonstrate why to never use line-height in the place of margin.
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csmatt超过 11 年前
One of the judges at Startup Weekend crapped on every team. The weekend had been a lot of fun, but that ruined it for me. Other judges at least had constructive criticism. I have to admit this pulled the steam out of my sails and I&#x27;m not all that interested in the startup scene anymore. I felt slightly cheated at another event where the winners had obviously been &#x27;playing the circuit&#x27; with their startup, but I still came away from it pretty positive.
dangayle超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m active in our area&#x27;s Startup Weekend community, and we try to stamp out the pre-fab work ahead of time. We&#x27;ve never had a funded project come through before, but I know we wouldn&#x27;t allow it.<p>I&#x27;m also the organizer of a local civic hackathon, where we have one caveat: Feel free to continue work on the project you started at our last hackathon. I&#x27;m curious how many will, or how many will start from scratch.
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jarofgreen超过 11 年前
I just wanted to sound a note of caution not to tar all Hackathons with the same brush. &quot;Hackathons&quot; is a lose word which can mean many different things to many different people.<p>A lot of the time I see Hackathons criticised, I read the argument and the person has set up one definition of a Hackathon then demolished it - a Straw Man, basically. And often it&#x27;s deserved - there is <i>some</i> really shit behavior at <i>some</i> hackathons and it&#x27;s right that it is called out. This post fits that mould pretty perfectly.<p>But there are also some really great Hackathons. Try and find the style of Hackathon you like, go and have fun!
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tomordonez超过 11 年前
Hackathons are a lot of fun if your goal is not only about winning. You meet a lot of people. Sometimes future employees&#x2F;founders&#x2F;CTOs or sometimes friends. You learn a lot if you really put yourself to the challenge and pair program with others. I usually go to hackathons to have fun. Most of the times I cannot stay all day so I go to meet people and make friends. I even help other teams brainstorming, refine their idea, testing. But when you see suspicious crap it is unmotivated for everybody. Besides having fun all teams have a goal of winning. When they realize nobody had a chance, it is disheartening.
busterc超过 11 年前
I would suggest, for anybody considering attending a hackathon to not let this totally discourage you.<p>Not all hackathons are equal. My first was at Launch Fest 2013. It was a great experience and I think the judging was as fair as could be expected. There were a lot of talented people who honestly hacked awesome projects together in such a short time. You can see the 5 finalist starting at 23:30 in <a href="http://youtu.be/HPSnsxN4lEs" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;HPSnsxN4lEs</a><p>Also, consider <a href="http://openhack.github.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;openhack.github.io</a>
lhnz超过 11 年前
Well duh, didn&#x27;t you get the memo: the Hackathon is a marketing hack to attract talented developers who will then work on your startup projects for free! Amazing. May the best marketer win!
xradionut超过 11 年前
&quot;Instead you spend your technical efforts going to meetups and helping others.&quot;<p>Do this indeed. One of the best ways to get better and encounter interesting people is to go to meet ups, user groups and &quot;fun&quot; hack events. You will encounter peers, newbies, gurus, recruiters, investors and all sorts of interesting people with ideas, needs and possibly money.
ww520超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been to these hackathons. They are a hack. It&#x27;s more of investors looking for investment ideas than engineers hacking codes and building products. One event a team won by doing a Powerpoint presentation because the judges (all investors) thought the idea could monetize the most, while the losing teams had built more complete and more impressive prototypes.
imaffett超过 11 年前
I worked at quite a few hackathon&#x27;s at my previous job. Judging always had some ulterior motive.<p>We&#x27;d see people walk into 48 hr hackathons at the very end and pitch their pre-built app they always took around. They could walk off with a macbook pro no problem...not bad for a few hours of work.<p>It&#x27;s sad, but most of them seem to run this way.
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Udo超过 11 年前
Where and how did that happen? What was the name of the startup? Who organized the event?
wudf超过 11 年前
Happened to me at two Microsoft events in Boston for Windows 8 and another one for Windows Phone 8.
andyidsinga超过 11 年前
hackers shouldn&#x27;t go to a hackathons .. they should go to <i>hack club</i>.<p>the first rule of hack club is, you do not spea ...oh crap.
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pizza超过 11 年前
don&#x27;t go to hackathons if you just want to win
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