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I couldn't wait for the new Mac Pro

184 点作者 ranebo超过 11 年前

34 条评论

jwr超过 11 年前
I used Hackintosh machines in the past. The problem with those is that after you&#x27;ve invested lots of time and effort, you end up with a machine that doesn&#x27;t work, but performs that task extremely fast and is relatively cheap.<p>This article is actually great, because it paints a very realisting picture of the experience. Most hackintosh fans fail to mention that your machine might not wake up from sleep, so you either run it 24&#x2F;7 or shut down fully and wait ages for it to boot afterwards. Or that you&#x27;ll get weird networking problems. Or that your video card driver will crash every once in a while, taking your whole machine down with it. Or that you can&#x27;t click &quot;update&quot; next to an OS update and usually need to manually go through the process of waiting, then reading the forums scanning for people&#x27;s experiences, then moving various kexts out of the way and patching them back in after the upgrade.<p>Yes, I realize there are many people with a nearly flawless experience. But not everyone can get one.<p>In my case, I decided it definitely wasn&#x27;t worth it and bought a real Mac Pro. Couldn&#x27;t be happier, especially as 3 years ago it wasn&#x27;t easy to build a machine with 32GB of RAM. Net result: yes, it was expensive, but it <i>works</i>.
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cheald超过 11 年前
Building a hackintosh will give you a deep appreciation for how well Windows manages to work on such a dizzying array of hardware profiles.<p>Macs work so well because Apple controls the hardware pipeline from top to bottom - the fact that Windows manages to work so well without controlling any of the hardware pipeline is actually pretty incredible (and, it gives you a lot of appreciation for the work that Linux developers have done to provide a similar experience, as well as illuminating why some things still don&#x27;t &quot;Just work&quot; like they do in Windows or OS X environments).
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doe88超过 11 年前
I actually use a hackintosh system since 2010 and I would not overstate enough how much it is a pain in the ass, I&#x27;ve had all kind of issues although I&#x27;ve always carefully chosen my components, moreover you cannot easily test previews of OS X, if you&#x27;re a developer it can be a problem. And because generally xcode requires the last version of the system and also often the last version of iTunes which in turn requires to be up to date you are then forced to make every update and each update is a new risk to break something.<p>In short at one point or another I&#x27;ve had issues with the graphic card or the integrated gpu, with USB 3, with the audio, with the screen resolutions on my two displays, various kernel freezes, networking... And to this day some of these issues are still unresolved.<p>Moreover you generally should always buy a Gigabyte motherboard for maximum compatibility but with the new Z87 chipset if I were to buy a MB I&#x27;d like to buy an Asus I prefer their current lineup. So in the end you don&#x27;t even buy what you really want to buy. And also if your mb have something fancy, forget it you&#x27;ll likely have troubles make it work.<p>After 3 years, my conclusion is it&#x27;s not worth the energy I&#x27;m waiting the new mac pro to ditch my current setup, I can&#x27;t take it anymore.
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jasonkester超过 11 年前
Handy ROI calculator: Trading four days of otherwise billable work to save $1,000 makes sense if you value your time at $31.25&#x2F;hr or less.<p>Given that the tradeoff isn&#x27;t even &quot;end up with an equivalent thing at the end of the day&quot;, I&#x27;d like to take the chance to thank the author for taking the bullet for us on this one and being honest about how much work really goes in to one of these builds.<p>I bet he&#x27;ll save a lot of people a lot of pain and money.
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grecy超过 11 年前
I spent a lot of time getting OS X running on a Dell Mini 9 netbook.<p>At that time, I think it was regarded as the most compatible OS X netbook, and (IIRC) absolutely all the hardware worked 100% correctly. Wifi, sound, sleep&#x2F;wake, external monitor, etc.<p>I used it extensively for 3 years as my main machine, and it never once crashed or had a single problem.<p>The more I used it, the more I was absolutely certain of one thing. My next machine will be a genuine Apple.<p>I bought a 2012 MBA 13inch for ~3 times the price of the mini 9 and am extremely happy. Apple hardware is spectacular.
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Samuel_Michon超过 11 年前
The author wanted a Mac Pro, but couldn’t wait a few months for it to be released. He could’ve bought an iMac and then sold it when the Mac Pro was available, that would’ve cost him $300 at the most.<p>Instead, he chose to spend 4 full working days to build a computer that doesn’t work as well as a Mac and can stop working altogether any day with no recourse. A computer that is worth zero in the resale market. A computer that Apple will not service.<p>By the sound of it, this is the author’s only computer, which he is dependent on to make his living, and it seems he isn’t planning to buy another Mac (even though he is a professional iOS developer).<p>This is a cautionary tale, an extreme example of being penny wise and pound foolish.
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burrokeet超过 11 年前
The Mac Pro is a beast - I am still running a first gen MacPro1,1 - it&#x27;s got an IDE drive installed in the second optical bay, four 3.5 SATA drives in the main bays and 2 2.5 SATA drives connected to the extra SATA connectors hidden under the front fan. At various times it has a hardware RAID card, extra FW+USB card, extra video card, video capture card, etc. I&#x27;m just about to grab a pair of 4 core xeons, extra ram, a Radeon hd5770 and some SSD drives - flash it to a MacPro2,1 and I can run Mavericks on it, with a Geekbench of about 10k. US$400 for the upgrades not including the SSDs.<p>I think Apple has really dropped the ball with the new Mac Pro - it is like the Cube, it looks cool but the Mac Pro is not a machine that requires form over function - people buy them to upgrade them, swap things in and out, stick them in racks, etc. Thunderbolt is not a replacement for pro use expandability - it just means a lot more cost + a lot more (very expensive) cables + a performance hit.<p>A good excuse for Apple to discontinue the Pro line eventually though - &quot;hey we made this great new machine, but nobody bought it, so sorry&quot;
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jlgaddis超过 11 年前
Slightly off-topic: Does anyone run Mac OS X under VirtualBox on Linux (or tried to)?<p>I have a 2011 MacBook Pro (8 GB RAM, 500 GB SATA, 15&quot;) that I used almost exclusively (and occasionally used a Windows 7 VM on) until this past May when I bought a beefed up Thinkpad W530 (32 GB RAM, 480 GB SSD + 500 GB SATA, 1920x1080) and installed Linux on it<p>I&#x27;ve barely touched the MBP since then and only occasionally miss it, but I did notice that OS X is apparently supported on recent versions of VirtualBox. Like the Windows 7 VM that I keep around, it might be useful to have an OS X VM that I can fire up if the need arises.
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elithrar超过 11 年前
I feel this would have been more comparable with a Xeon, otherwise it&#x27;s effectively a decked out iMac.<p>Also: I toyed with the idea of building a Hackintosh to replace my 2011 iMac, instead of waiting for the 2013 model (Haswell, 780MX GPU). By the time I&#x27;d specced a comparable machine-i7, 16GB RAM, GTX 770, 3TB HDD, SSD, and a 27&quot; Dell UltraSharp (to match the iMac panel), I really wasn&#x27;t that far off the iMac&#x27;s price with only a larger (256GB vs. 128GB) SSD to show for it. About &lt; AUD$400 off, which if you consider the time to order, build, etc, isn&#x27;t as significant as many make it out to be.<p>The actual Hackintosh process seems to be relatively &quot;smooth&quot; if you use compatible parts and set a day aside (and a couple to research similar builds), but I dread any warranty issues (and therefore dealing with &gt; 6 manufacturers).<p>I&#x27;m still open to the idea, and maybe it makes more financial sense in US (there&#x27;s about a 20% markup on parts here in Australia), but the price different wasn&#x27;t substantial enough to offset the added effort&#x2F;risk.
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captainmuon超过 11 年前
I think all the negativity is a bit unfair. I built a Hackintosh last year, I&#x27;m very satisfied with it, and I think it was worth it also economically. The PC includes a Core i5 2500K, Radeon HD6870, 8GB RAM, SSD, nice screen of my choice, etc.. I started by installing Windows 7, but very soon I tried to install OS X (I bought the components with that option in mind).<p>The benefit of OS X for me is that on the one hand it can run all my consumer software (especially games, MS office). On the other hand it is also a pretty nice Unix, so I can run all my work stuff (mostly scientific computing, and stuff that is distributed as source code). It took me a few evenings, but eventually I got everything working (including sound, network, and standby mode). Now its probably the most stable system I&#x27;ve ever had.<p>The thing is, I was fully expecting to put in some hours of work. That is the price you pay for building your own computer, whether you install Windows, OS X, or something else. Installing OS X was only slightly more complicated than installing e.g. Linux. If you include the time needed for choosing components, assembling everything, installing applications, the difference is very small. Especially considering how hard it is to get UNIX stuff under Windows (cygwin, mingw32, and so on), or games and big proprietary applications on Linux (using Wine).<p>Now, may people say you should just pay a bit more, and get a solid Mac that you know works fine, and has a warranty. The problem is, I couldn&#x27;t afford a new Mac with the specs I needed. And you are never as flexible with a prebuilt computer as with one you build yourself.<p>I guess my bottom line is that it is unfair to compare buying a Mac with building a Hackintosh. The alternative to a self-built Hackintosh is not a Mac Pro, but a self-built Windows PC. The Mac Pro is the alternative to an assembled Dell, HP, etc..
timerickson超过 11 年前
On the Retina MacBook Pro<p>&quot;Scrolling and animation tasks are jerky or just plain slow. I can’t deal with that in a new machine. Maybe in a year or two when it can drive its screen and a large external retina smoothly.&quot;<p>What? Has the author used one recently? These problems were fixed within a month of original release. I&#x27;ve been using one for over a year and love it.
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shawnreilly超过 11 年前
I think it would have been better to compare this build to the iMac or the Mini. While I definitely applaud osx86 builds, I don&#x27;t really find this build comparable to a Mac Pro of any recent generation. I think a much better comparison build would have been to upgrade an older Mac Pro 3.1 or 4.1 (EFI64 being the key) to 12 core with maximum ram and video card upgrades. I think right now the 4.1 is the sweet spot (considering memory prices). But even if someone maxed out the build, I don&#x27;t think it would come close to the new 2013 Mac Pro. Another thing to think about here, especially for developers, is the software aspect of hacked&#x2F;upgraded osx builds. When Apple releases a new OS version, or a new Xcode version, it might not work or it might be buggy &#x2F; unstable. This is what happened with my old Mac Pro 1.1 and OSX 10.8 (flashed to 2.1 and upgraded 8 core 3.0ghz w&#x2F; 32gb). I was able to get up to 10.7 but 10.8 is messed up and the new 10.9 look like a no go. Which is why my old Mac Pro is now an ESXi Server (working on getting v5u1 working so I can run osx 10.8 virtualized)
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jacques_chester超过 11 年前
Luckily for me, I don&#x27;t do anything particularly CPU-intensive.<p>I just bought the current Mac Pro. Sure, I&#x27;d like the shiny new one. But I also needed a faster Mac that could accept a bit of expansion that I could get before the end of last financial year.<p>The hardest part about being an Apple tragic is separating my need for the <i>zomg new shiny</i> from simple business decisions like &quot;is it worth getting something better <i>now</i> or limping along until some indeterminate future time?&quot;
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empire29超过 11 年前
As an ex-hackintosher im always thrilled to see people pull great stories like this off! I gave up on rolling my own due to the small irritations (system error when my logic mouse&#x27;s USB dongle was removed) and the upgrade-paralysis; Every new rev of OS X would met w trepidation as a carved out a weekend &quot;just in case&quot;. Either way, I hit a point where investing in an MBA was more economical... Now I can get by with a MBA; if we&#x27;re talking about a MacPro then the value trade off might still be there :)
canthonytucci超过 11 年前
I built a very similar system using the &quot;confirmed working&quot; parts listed in the buyer&#x27;s guide at <a href="http://tonymacx86.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tonymacx86.com</a><p>To those poo-pooing the hackintosh, my experience was quite different this time around from when I had OS X running on a netbook a few years back.<p>I already had a monitor, PSU, video card and ram, so the money investment for me was fairly small when compared to builing a system from scratch.<p>It took one evening to put everything together and install the OS, I followed the instructions there and have done several system updates without new problems coming up. I had to mess around a bit with kernel extensions to get my Radeon card put out 2560x1440 properly, but my problems were solved in under an hour. I&#x27;ve had strange problems connecting to my wireless printer, but I solved them by plugging it in and forgetting about it.<p>I&#x27;ve used it as a development machine w&#x2F; xcode and have not had any problems there.<p>All that said, I would NEVER use this as my only mac. I&#x27;m careful about keeping work backed up and off the machine in the event that something strange comes up, so there is that added overhead, but for any data&#x2F;files you care about this should be done anyway.
Udo超过 11 年前
I couldn&#x27;t wait for the new Mac Pro as well, so I bought an 27&quot; iMac a few days ago.<p>Building a Hackintosh is something I considered as well, but based on my previous experiments in that area I absolutely have to concur with the others here who say it&#x27;s not worth the hassle and at the end the machine never works quite right.<p>The biggest issue for me is multi-screen support, it was the main reason I bought my old Mac Pro. But it&#x27;s a loud machine and it eats <i>a lot</i> of power, even when idle. And let&#x27;s face it, most computers spend most of their time in idle. The new iMac supports two external displays, so that was my minimum requirement met right there (possibly by accident on Apple&#x27;s part). I thought I&#x27;d miss the Pro&#x27;s raw computing power but when rendering or gaming the iMac doesn&#x27;t seem to be significantly slower to be honest. The entire setup consumes less than half the wattage of the Pro, it&#x27;s relatively cheap (around € 2k), and most importantly it&#x27;s very very quiet.
nicholassmith超过 11 年前
I tried a Hackintosh a while back, it was mildly interesting, sucked more time than I really felt happy with and I abandoned it.<p>Part of the reason I moved to Apple hardware (and OS X) was to avoid spending time digging around with graphics cards, and RAM and making sure I have the correct drivers. I&#x27;m sure plenty of people enjoy it, but I don&#x27;t, and it&#x27;s just diverting time from things I do enjoy. There was also lots of other side issues, updates could cause it to break and require a revert back to a known good point, and hope it still worked okay, or having some slight system instability.<p>The Hackintosh project is pretty useful, but I currently don&#x27;t need Mac Pro level of power, and if I did then I&#x27;d prefer to pay the premium to avoid spending time working on it. 4-5 full work days doesn&#x27;t cover the cost of one, but it&#x27;s certainly a non-trivial amount of it.
happywolf超过 11 年前
It would be a good exercise when I were in college, not enough money, more than enough time. Tinkering and optimizing a rig was what i liked to do. Fast forward to now, still a hacker at heart, but the extra time I would rather to go out for a walk, do some workout, or talk to friends. Just the priorities have changed
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sebzz超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been using one since about 2011. It&#x27;s true that there can be some issues depending on the hardware you have. I&#x27;ve only had issues with waking up my PC, and sound, and only had to download a DSDT for my motherboard.<p>To be honest, if you already have a desktop which is somewhat compatible, then this makes total sense. The fact that you can continue upgrading hardware, add SSDs, change graphics card is fantastic. I did this as an experiment, and it worked so well that I never switched back. You no longer have to buy the latest Macs to get the latest hardware.<p>That said, I don&#x27;t think buying new hardware for making a hackintosh is necessarily the best idea. You _will_ run into problems that can vary, and these aren&#x27;t necessarily things you expect when buying a new desktop.<p>The problems mentioned in the article were harder to solve than the ones I had. But a hackintosh&#x27;s return over investment is HUGE, if it works!
rdl超过 11 年前
I would have gone with a 15&quot; rMBP; I assume he was only considering a 13&quot; rMBP.<p>I bought a Mac Mini 2.6 GHz i7 a month or so ago, and added a 240GB M500 SSD, 16GB RAM, and 4 x 4TB external HDDs. Pretty happy with it performance-wise, even for Final Cut. I&#x27;d probably get an Areca ARC-8050 8-drive Thunderbolt RAID (<a href="http://www.areca.us/products/thunderbolt.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.areca.us&#x2F;products&#x2F;thunderbolt.htm</a>) if I needed faster storage beyond 100GB, though. It&#x27;s mostly a Plex server, VMware server (although I just use Fusion at home), and testing some proxy&#x2F;etc. stuff, and is connected only to a 1080p projector and 5.1 HT system. I figure not much will get upgraded on the Mini in the next 6 months -- maybe no upgrade at all, or if it is upgraded, only some pretty irrelevant-to-me stuff.
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zamalek超过 11 年前
Am I the only one that is irked by the first paragraph: &quot;Macbook Air hard crashed rendering in Final Cut Pro [...] I had been asking too much of the little 11” wonder.&quot;<p>I&#x27;m used to things taking forever when I ask too much from a computer, not it outright crashing. Is this &quot;normal&quot; on Macs?
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tehwalrus超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve never had a &quot;real&quot; reason to use OS X over anything else, only convenience (numerical programming in Python, works pretty much everywhere, slightly easier on Linux in fact) - Thus, if I were in this situation I&#x27;d hack together a cheap Linux box (of which I have...three lying around the flat now, including old laptops) and work on that for a few months while waiting for a new release (more likely, saving up for the new release.)<p>That said, if I <i>had</i> to work on OS X, hackintosh would probably have appealed to me (if I was spending my own money on the hardware and <i>needed</i> a good GPU.) Thanks for thoroughly disabusing me of this preference!
trebor超过 11 年前
A hackintosh is only an option when you don&#x27;t mind breaking your word. In fact, this is why I bought a Mac mini instead of built a Hackintosh; I even wrote Tim Cook about a &quot;system builder&quot; license being something I&#x27;d dream of. The license explicitly states that you agree to install OSX on only Apple-approved&#x2F;sold hardware (paraphrased).<p>I&#x27;m aware of most the arguments why EULAs are unenforceable, why&#x2F;how to bypass them, etc, but is any of that honest?
gbrhaz超过 11 年前
I guess I must be in the minority. I&#x27;ve had 3 Hackintosh machines in the past, all with different hardware. They have all worked almost perfectly.<p>Each one did require some post-install setting up. For example, dual monitors, sound card issues, graphics etc. But the set up never took longer than a few hours, and I get a machine that is 1&#x2F;4 the price of a retail Mac.<p>I also think I can count the number of the times they&#x27;ve crashed on one hand.
jcrei超过 11 年前
Wouldn&#x27;t it be great if you could just build a Mac Mini stack? Like a Mac Mini, on top of a Mac Mini, on top of a Mac Mini, with some sort of a daisy chained thunderbolt connection that also shares CPU&#x2F;RAM&#x2F;Graphic resources. That would make for a perfect Mac Pro set up and also for servers. If you would ever need extra resources, just buy a new Mac Mini and put it on top.
Void_超过 11 年前
Hackintosh is fine as secondary&#x2F;backup computer. I built one after I had to send my Air for repairs.<p>But there will always be little issues. For example you can&#x27;t install OS X Mavericks just yet. Being a developer this bugs me very much because I would very much like to try the new APIs.
daGrevis超过 11 年前
Seems to me that this is something between OS X and Linux. Beautiful and will work with most apps on OS X (the OS X part), but not that easy to set up and may require some tinkering (the Linux part and I&#x27;m not saying that it&#x27;s a bad thing or that Tux is not beautiful).
cones688超过 11 年前
2 of OPs biggest gripes were onboard WIFI and BT not working, these could have been fixed with a 40 buck TP-Link card which requires <i>no</i> kexts and is recognized as an Airport card and a 10 buck Belkin USB Bluetooth dongle which again requires no install or configuration.
kayoone超过 11 年前
Ive used OSX on relatively old (2009) Intel hardware a couple of times in the past and generally only had minor problems. Certainly less than when going with Ubuntu or other Linux distros. If youve got the money a real mac is still the way to go though!
nmc超过 11 年前
Aaron couldn&#x27;t wait either, but...<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wShNx6cdk_8" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=wShNx6cdk_8</a>
jeswin超过 11 年前
I would love to do this too, but the licensing situation bothers me. Even if you owned an OSX disc, you aren&#x27;t in the clear, right?
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benjamincburns超过 11 年前
Am I the only one who thought (per the photo) that the author was saying he needed a Mac Pro because he makes fancy toilets?
Ecio78超过 11 年前
AFAIK the Apple Mac OSX licensing doesn&#x27;t allow you to do so. Here&#x27;s an article about different involved aspects: <a href="http://www.lockergnome.com/osx/2012/02/24/are-hackintosh-computers-legal/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lockergnome.com&#x2F;osx&#x2F;2012&#x2F;02&#x2F;24&#x2F;are-hackintosh-com...</a>
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frozenport超过 11 年前
Seems ridiculous, if not snobby that the author will only run OS X.
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