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Show HN: Dating turned upside down - Tomonotomo

40 点作者 pratikpoddar超过 11 年前

25 条评论

rnernento超过 11 年前
The name is awful, sorry. Too hard to pronounce &#x2F; understand and certainly not worth the trouble since it doesn&#x27;t convey meaning.<p>The color scheme is ugly. I like the gradual change over the name on mouseover but purple to yellow through brown is not the most appealing... That being said the layout is good.<p>I&#x27;m not sure I understand the value. Friends of friends are the easiest people to meet &#x2F; hookup with already. The purpose of online dating sites is to meet strangers you don&#x27;t already have an in with. Is there really a problem there that needs solving?<p>The passive cute &#x2F; not cute thing sounds interesting. Maybe make that the focus? That&#x27;s something that isn&#x27;t already built into Facebook and would definitely solve the problem of some awkwardness.
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danso超过 11 年前
Congrats on launching and having a user base. Here are some suggestions for the landing page, where first impressions are key to this kind of service:<p>1. Get an editor to rework the copy and fix mistakes. There&#x27;s a lot of phrases that are almost-but-not-quite correct, such as &quot;safe friendly trust&quot; (which is the first thing that people see)...You don&#x27;t want people&#x27;s mental spam-alerts to go off at first glance. A lot of the text is also awkward and slows down reading (avoid using the forward-slash...e.g. use &quot;attractive&quot; instead of &quot;cute&#x2F;handsome&quot;<p>2. I didn&#x27;t want to give access to FB to use the site so I don&#x27;t know how it works other than the landing page...but is the only way to express interest is through calling someone &quot;cute&quot; or &quot;handsome&quot;? Other sites have used &quot;I&#x27;m interested&quot; as a way to express...well, interest.<p>3. Try to replace that stock photo with something unique when you can...and if you have to use a stock photo, don&#x27;t use one of all white people, unless that&#x27;s specifically the audience you&#x27;re catering to.<p>4. Also, don&#x27;t describe your users as &quot;boys and girls&quot; unless that&#x27;s specifically the audience you&#x27;re catering to.<p>5. Cut as many adjectives as you can out of the copy, it doesn&#x27;t engender trust. Also, don&#x27;t use the word &quot;disciplined&quot;...it doesn&#x27;t have useful connotations in this context.<p>edit: After reading the About page, I have a couple more things to add:<p>6. There are so many reasons why people have negative feelings about traditional dating sites and you can&#x27;t possibly enumerate all of them...so minimize the amount of telling people those reasons, as you make too many assumptions as is.<p>7. Related to that: there may be situations in which the phrase &quot;call girls or prostitutes&quot; is applicable, but the promotional copy for your positive online dating website is not one of them -- in <i>any</i> context.
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milesokeefe超过 11 年前
Some suggestions on how to improve your site.<p>1. Replace that stock photo with something less rigid and fake looking. Stocksy is a good resource.[1]<p>2. Change the h1 and body fonts. It looks good on the company name but not elsewhere. Any good looking sans serif that isn&#x27;t helvetica.<p>3. Change &quot;boys and girls&quot; to &quot;men and women&quot;. The former implies that they are under 18 or generally young which shouldn&#x27;t be the case for a (legal) dating site AFAIK.<p>4. On the third feature, &quot;looks cute&#x2F;handsome&quot; doesn&#x27;t really make sense, so change that. Perhaps &quot;no risk&quot;.<p>5. Change &quot;safe friendly trust&quot; on the pink image overlay. Make the third word an adjective or adverb to match the other words.<p>[1]<a href="http://www.stocksy.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stocksy.com&#x2F;</a><p>EDIT: danso&#x27;s comment covers this better, read that
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s_q_b超过 11 年前
I love that you built something. But let me be brutally honest, because that&#x27;s what I would want.<p>I don&#x27;t see the value-add. Maybe it&#x27;s 2x better than e-harmony, but it&#x27;s not 10x better, like some of the new competitors are.<p>Take Tinder for example. Dead simple app. See a picture of the a potential date nearby. Vote yes&#x2F;no. If you both vote yes, it opens up a chat thread much like sms.<p>Tinder incorporates friends-of-friends in the ranking already. I can see how many friends I have in common with a potential match, and I&#x27;m more likely to be shown potential matches with mutual friends.<p>But Tinder goes a step further. It integrates with Facebook, so that it can match on similar taste in books, movies, entertainment, religion, philosophy, based on likes in the profile. Finally, from a cultural perspective, as a smartphone app it&#x27;s much more free of stigma.<p>So I don&#x27;t see the improvement here. It&#x27;s a good idea, with a growing userbase, but it seems slightly behind the wave, which is defintely going to be location aware mobile dating apps.
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detcader超过 11 年前
[I&#x27;m not sure how a website that on its face seems to perpetuate the culturally normalized obsession with appearance and thus supposed sexual compatibility and success as the highest determinant of evaluating potential and real relationships, provides a service that &quot;turns dating upside down,&quot; but]<p>The idea of mutual trust is dubious at best. What prevents two parties from conspiring in advance so that a third is tricked into believing things that are not true? I will say this: the majority of rapes and sexual assaults are committed by those who are very close to the victim, not by strangers -- and the rapist believes what they are doing is &quot;sex&quot;.
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nandemo超过 11 年前
&gt; <i>Trust and Privacy are two sides of the same coin and both are sub-optimal in dating websites because the way they are seeded</i><p>But the Terms page says:<p>&gt; <i>We may get additional information from or about you in other ways not specifically described here. We might sell or rent your personal information to third parties for their marketing purposes without your explicit consent.</i>
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jacques_chester超过 11 年前
I wish you all the best, because online dating can always use improvement. However I warn you that it will be a great challenge to overcome what seems to be the insurmountable and persistent contours of the online dating market: that there are more men than women, and that everyone hits on the attractive people.<p>Also, your name strikes me as the sort of thing that you will be spelling on the phone forever. Consider changing it or at least buying typo variations.
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jonthepirate超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve created dating apps and I learned the market is totally won by a few big companies. I could never overcome the chicken &amp; egg problem. Not knowing anything about your project, I would have to honestly say the 80k people on there is probably a frivolous claim. You may have scraped some other site and put that many bogus profiles on there.<p>I suppose any other dating sites that break through will be based on extremely simple ideas with elegant or new user interfaces. For example, How About We is an extremely simple idea. The concept of dating friends of friends was already tried several times. The last time I heard of it it was being done by circl.es. I would suggest trying something that is really unique that nobody has ever heard of which would help you break out. I hate to say it but one of the other stories in the last year that was a break out story was Ms. Travel. Try to package what you&#x27;re doing in a really crazy way. I hacked together a crazy photosheet interface that I&#x27;ve never seen before and it just wouldn&#x27;t catch. Trying to think of any other thing I could think of which nobody has done, I tried the idea of online dating via the unix command line. That <i>did</i> get me some exposure but certainly not enough to get the wheels of traction turning.<p>For what it&#x27;s worth, here&#x27;s a story that came out on Jezebel.com about my project at the time (which I shut off after a couple of weeks after this article came out).<p><a href="http://jezebel.com/5934969/new-techy-online-dating-site-is-unsurprisingly-a-boys-club" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jezebel.com&#x2F;5934969&#x2F;new-techy-online-dating-site-is-u...</a><p>Good luck w your project!
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ralphos超过 11 年前
We tried to launch pretty much the same concept a few years ago (dating through friends of friends on Facebook) but it didn&#x27;t work out. It was called &#x27;Trustcircle&#x27; and we still own the domain (www.trustcircle.com) in case you are interested in buying it! It might be a better option than tomonotomo! Just sayin&#x27; :)
VeejayRampay超过 11 年前
I was working at a Parisian dating startup about two or three years ago, we had that friends of friends kind of vibe (it was actually called that) and it didn&#x27;t prevent us from failing.<p>More men than women on those websites, the few women you get don&#x27;t engage anyone for some reason so you usually end up having to buy cheap leads on silly marketing platforms and fake all the figures (men&#x2F;women ratio, number of users, etc). Good luck though.
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peterwwillis超过 11 年前
Feature requests: mutual references, ID checking. See couchsurfing.org for how they implement friends, references, and ID checks. Adds extra degrees of trust.<p>Another feature request: easy scheduling of events, so as a &quot;first date&quot; you could meet the person along with your mutual friends to help break the ice. I find the traditional 1-on-1 date puts a lot of pressure on people to perform well, vs getting to know each other in a relaxed social setting. I would keep these events private so they&#x27;re only viewable by the immediate friend matrix, though.<p>(and definitely fix the boys &amp; girls wordage)
01Michael10超过 11 年前
Like dating a co-worker, I would never date someone who is a friend of a friend or a relative. This and the fact need a Facebook account makes Tomonotomo useless for me.<p>Is it just me or does the site design look cheesy?
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victoriap超过 11 年前
Good luck with the idea and I believe there&#x27;s market for that. It will definitely help a certain category of people. But some other people will quickly say they don&#x27;t like it because they don&#x27;t want to date friends of their friends. It all depends on the particular person.<p>I love tomonotomo and actually I have a similar web site for job search&#x2F;recruitment through connections discussed here, <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6327275" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6327275</a>
alan_cx超过 11 年前
Only facebook sign in? That was the end of the experience for me.
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buro9超过 11 年前
Interesting.<p>I&#x27;d actually hoped this was going to be more like Hire My Friend: <a href="http://www.hiremyfriend.io/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hiremyfriend.io&#x2F;</a><p>That&#x27;s a job recruitment app based on the notion that someone in a job can&#x27;t publicly announce that they are seeking a new job, and so their network advertises their availability anonymously.<p>That trick though, of getting people who know, to be the one to recommend someone... would work perfectly well with dating.
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xsace超过 11 年前
I for one think this is very clever. Most of my dating experience was eased whenever the person was a friend of a friend already.
armansu超过 11 年前
Sounds familiar. Is it by any chance created by the same guys with whom Paul Graham and Harj Taggar made public office hours at Startup School 2011: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9m9vPAlb_0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=K9m9vPAlb_0</a> [the intended part starts at 25:05]?
uptown超过 11 年前
Congratulations on launching.<p>Despite the critical reviews here, you&#x27;ve built something that seems to be attracting users. How long has the site been online, and if that user-count on your homepage is legitimate - what methods have you used to attract your first 100,000 users?
jeremyaarts超过 11 年前
I think it would help a lot if the &#x27;no&#x27; in Tomo<i>no</i>tomo were accentuated with a different colour or so. Then it would be easier to see that it are in fact 3 (Japanese) words strung together. I think that would make it a lot better to remember.
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pratikpoddar超过 11 年前
After 64 comments and great feedback, I have made all the changes and the website is up again. Thanks a ton everyone.<p><a href="http://www.tomonotomo.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tomonotomo.com&#x2F;</a>
_glass超过 11 年前
This is practically the reason why I turned off to show my FB friends: Acquaintances going through my friend list, and writing random messages to good-looking ones.
barodeur超过 11 年前
Dating with friends of friends, looks like <a href="http://acquaintable.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;acquaintable.com&#x2F;</a>
runn1ng超过 11 年前
&gt;0 friends are using it<p>&gt;&quot;Page Not Found! 404&quot; immediately afterwards<p>&gt;My Little Pony picture<p>&gt;closing it, never planning on using it again<p>First impression is important.
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markyc超过 11 年前
why the impossible name though?<p>honest question: is it that difficult to find a decent-2-word-combination.com?
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edwardliu超过 11 年前
this is just like hellol.com lol.