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How The Art of Computer Programming was ruined for me

194 点作者 anuragramdasan超过 11 年前

19 条评论

reikonomusha超过 11 年前
Like others here, as soon as I read the first couple of sentences, I mostly expected the result.<p>I paid about $150 for my volumes, and while it was more than I wanted to spend, that&#x27;s actually quite a deal. That comes out to less than $40 per book, and each book is so dense and authoritative that another equivalent book probably costs on the order of $100. In other words, at least in the USA, if each book was sold separately as textbooks, I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if it cost $400 in total.<p>As you have detailed, Knuth&#x27;s work here is seminal, and he will probably continue writing until the end of his life (and TAoCP won&#x27;t be completed by him). If you intend to truly read and understand all of the material he has presented, then you&#x27;re in it for the long run. Unless you are very educated or a researcher in the field, this is probably years worth of work. This includes reading all the mathematics, understanding it, and <i>doing the exercises</i>. (Of course, not all exercises can be reasonably done by anyone, as some of them are actually open research problems.)<p>Because you&#x27;d be in it for the long run, cheap paper copies are a bad idea, unless you don&#x27;t mind pages falling out and deteriorating. Doing a semester-long course in some subject? Okay, that&#x27;s fine. But purchasing for personal reasons the opus magnum of one of the greatest computer scientists? That feels a little different.<p>Although you&#x27;ve already paid a measly one-tenth of the price already, I&#x27;d consider paying the full price, and take your first as just a tax on the lesson learned. In the USA, many of us would get a 5-10% markup anyway (sales tax), so it&#x27;s not all that devastating.<p><i>Edit&#x2F;Addendum</i>: Lastly, one important thing. For anyone reading this comment: While there is prestige in finding errors, that should not even be remotely close to the reason you purchase the books. The checks, in their original intent, are small awards for finding mistakes, and only somewhat artificially have they turned into something more. The true reward, as cliché as this sounds, is being able to read Knuth&#x27;s prose and learning from it.<p>If you believe that having such an achievement will slingshot you ahead in business or academia, this is almost surely false. While the award is nice to get, it won&#x27;t give you much in return. I own two checks, and they&#x27;re on my résumé, but I don&#x27;t think they&#x27;ve carried much weight, if at all, at the multitude of companies I&#x27;ve applied for and been at. I think I&#x27;ve been asked about them only once, and even that time, the interviewer wasn&#x27;t interested in hearing about numerical algorithms or boolean satisfaction.
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damianknz超过 11 年前
Don&#x27;t let the page numbering ruin these books for you as the contents will provide you enjoyment for the rest of your life. Its great that you were able to get your own copy of them. At university in New Zealand TAOCP was on the recommended reading list for CompSci but the library only had one of each volume. You could only get them out for _3 hours_ at a time. Years later I was in a bookstore with my girlfriend a the time and I saw the 3 volume set for _$NZ 500_. She secretly went back the next day and brought them for me for my birthday. We are now married.
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brownbat超过 11 年前
This goes beyond foreign versions of textbooks.<p>A friend recently recommended &quot;The Broken Sword&quot; by Poul Anderson. The trouble is, the text of the 1954 work was watered down in 1971. So it&#x27;s apparently important to read the right edition, or so Michael Moorcock warns. [1]<p>I&#x27;ve had small online booksellers assure me they have the edition I want. When I open the package in the mail, it&#x27;s never the right version. When I contact the merchant to ask how I can find the right edition, they just refund my money and stop talking to me.<p>Other sales people have told me they have no warehouse access, they have no way to confirm what&#x27;s getting in the boxes. The easiest way for them to find out the edition of a book is to just ship it to me and have me let them know.<p>You&#x27;d think you could have a meaningful discussion with a bookseller about editions. I know it&#x27;s not something that matters for every sale, but you&#x27;d think at least those few who choose to deal in books would occasionally notice that not all books with the same title look identical, and start to wonder why.<p>We&#x27;ve moved from a world where I can put my hands on a book, glance at the copyright page, feel the paper, see the condition, to one where every version of a work, from annotated to abridged, can be lumped together as a fungible commodity.<p>I know, Bezos moves a lot of paper, this isn&#x27;t going to keep him up at night. But if I get one &quot;old man yells at clouds&quot; rant, this goes in mine.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/jan/25/featuresreviews.guardianreview18" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;books&#x2F;2003&#x2F;jan&#x2F;25&#x2F;featuresreviews...</a>
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eigenvalue超过 11 年前
The most upsetting part about this is that some of Knuth&#x27;s valuable and limited mental energy was wasted because of some idiot publishers trying to make a buck and being sloppy.
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kamaal超过 11 年前
This is really strange.<p>Low price editions, or LPE&#x27;s are the best things to have happened to Indian students. Without them I couldn&#x27;t have cleared my engineering exams. And I have never faced problems like these in the past nor do I remember any body among my friends report such problems. In fact we only have praise for LPE&#x27;s.<p>I am wondering if this is like a one-off goofup on the part of the publisher. Which it can very likely be.<p>And the price has nothing to do with it, basically because eventually everyone realizes that only thing that results from high prices is piracy. So you might as well sell at a decent price which customers are ready to pay.
peterkelly超过 11 年前
There&#x27;s a reason why the version you bought was Rs 400, not Rs 5000. That much of a price differential should be a red flag.
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egl2001超过 11 年前
The books you have are just fine. The books were high quality when they first came out. Thousands of us studied the first printings without ill effects. Besides, you have the opportunity to test your reading by looking for errors. Just relax and enjoy a masterpiece.
saganus超过 11 年前
How the art of reading articles was ruined for me: By using pt 8 fonts...
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JimmaDaRustla超过 11 年前
Makes a good case for advancing digital versions of text books...
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coldtea超过 11 年前
&gt;<i>My biggest concern was that if in the future I end up buying a new book, how can I be sure it is the same book that I expected to be delivered, without any page messups or other oddities.</i><p>Just buy the American edition, problem solved.
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EzGraphs超过 11 年前
<i>We&#x27;ve moved from a world where I can put my hands on a book, glance at the copyright page, feel the paper, see the condition, to one where every version of a work, from annotated to abridged, can be lumped together as a fungible commodity.</i><p>Yes - really a rather profound change. The entire way new books are produced has changed as a result as well. Print-on-demand in particular can result in you literally having a &quot;one-off&quot; edition of a book. The benefit is quicker integration of corrections. Am not sure we really fully understand some of the negative consequences...
anonyblahblah超过 11 年前
I always say that pirating games and films was simply better in every way than paying for them. Better quality, support, more convenient formats, minus the DRM. My conscience has been hardened by all the times i have been screwed over by crippling DRM when using something I have paid for. Pirated versions, of course have this removed for you.<p>Sadly, It seems the same is beginning to apply to books as well. Publishers should take heed of this unless they want to follow the fate of music and movie industries.
deletes超过 11 年前
Imagine getting a Xeroxed copy of the illegal version of the book.
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tzs超过 11 年前
Those &quot;reprint editions&quot; could actually be useful. Consider the section of Volume II called &quot;How Fast Can We Multiply?&quot; (or something close to that).<p>That section has undergone major changes for each edition. The current edition is fine if you just want to know the best answer (as of the time that edition was written). However, if you also read the earlier two editions, you will get a deeper understanding of the material.
susi22超过 11 年前
Offtopic: Concrete Mathematics is the best book I&#x27;ve ever read. If you have a chance get it. It requires very very little pre knowledge of math.
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ExpiredLink超过 11 年前
The fonts on this page are too large. Make them smaller!
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talkingquickly超过 11 年前
Slightly off topic but can anyone recommend a good book on algebra to get back up to speed before attempting to read these?
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nsomaru超过 11 年前
so where would be a good source of quality books in India?
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phaus超过 11 年前
I honestly don&#x27;t understand how you can live in India and expect shit like this not to happen. People in India don&#x27;t even have the reasonable expectation of riding a public bus without getting raped to death, how cold you possibly expect the authorities to care about counterfeit books?<p>India is a beautiful place, with lots of brilliant, talented people, but until their local and federal governments start observing and enforcing the rule of law, it&#x27;s going to remain one of the shittiest countries to live in.
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