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NSA Codebreaking: I Am The Other

450 点作者 thecoffman超过 11 年前

12 条评论

mpyne超过 11 年前
&gt; The NSA&#x27;s official response is to suggest that wanting to secure our communications from our surveillance is inherently suspicious and suggestive of criminal activity.<p>No, their official response is to suggest that encrypting your communications makes you indistinguishable (at their end) from those who encrypt for criminal activity. There <i>is</i> a difference, and there&#x27;s no getting around the idea that if the set of Bad Actors are to have the crypto broken then it will necessarily involve breaking the same crypto in use by the Good Actors.<p>Even the NSA also says <i>in the very paragraph quoted</i> that encryption is also used for &quot;nations [...] to protect their secrets&quot; (which is hardly a criminal or illegitimate goal).<p>Likewise, if the government hires a lockpicker to plant a bug in an embassy then by definition they now have the technical ability to pick locks (even if they don&#x27;t have the legal permission).<p>The rest of his points, on the whole, are quite valid but are sometimes answering a question that isn&#x27;t actually behing asked from the other side.
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ferdo超过 11 年前
&quot;Perhaps you think your E-mail is legitimate enough that encryption is unwarranted. If you really are a law-abiding citizen with nothing to hide, then why don&#x27;t you always send your paper mail on postcards? Why not submit to drug testing on demand? Why require a warrant for police searches of your house? Are you trying to hide something? You must be a subversive or a drug dealer if you hide your mail inside envelopes. Or maybe a paranoid nut. Do law-abiding citizens have any need to encrypt their E-mail?<p>What if everyone believed that law-abiding citizens should use postcards for their mail? If some brave soul tried to assert his privacy by using an envelope for his mail, it would draw suspicion. Perhaps the authorities would open his mail to see what he&#x27;s hiding. Fortunately, we don&#x27;t live in that kind of world, because everyone protects most of their mail with envelopes. So no one draws suspicion by asserting their privacy with an envelope. There&#x27;s safety in numbers. Analogously, it would be nice if everyone routinely used encryption for all their E-mail, innocent or not, so that no one drew suspicion by asserting their E-mail privacy with encryption. Think of it as a form of solidarity.&quot;<p>Phil Zimmerman, 1994<p><a href="http://www.pgpi.org/doc/whypgp/en/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pgpi.org&#x2F;doc&#x2F;whypgp&#x2F;en&#x2F;</a>
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aray超过 11 年前
It would be great to break through the &quot;if you have nothing to hide&quot; line and push that responsible citizenry need security (and cryptography) as well.<p>I am also the other.
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devx超过 11 年前
&gt; <i>&quot;I wonder: what if a substantial number of Americans started using strong crypto on a routine basis?&quot;</i><p>That may happen anyway, in time, if this situation is not fixed, but it could happen <i>so much faster</i> if companies like Google, Microsoft and Facebook (ok, I know I&#x27;m really pushing with this one) who have services used by over a <i>billion people</i> would offer very secure end-to-end communications platform, <i>by default</i>, and in a very transparent way (being able to check for sneaky backdoors pre-encryption, or anything like that).<p>They don&#x27;t even have to do it <i>for everything</i>, especially the parts which are meant to be more public anyway, but there&#x27;s absolutely no reason why IM&#x27;s couldn&#x27;t be <i>completely private</i> - from everyone and anyone, including the companies themselves.<p>So what are you waiting for Google, Microsoft and Facebook (and others, too)?
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brown9-2超过 11 年前
<i>&quot;I wonder: what if a substantial number of Americans started using strong crypto on a routine basis?&quot;</i><p>They already do! Everyone who makes Amazon purchases, or sends Facebook messages, or does online banking is all using some form of strong crypto.<p>Does our government treat all e-commerce shoppers as &quot;bad guys&quot;? No.
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iandanforth超过 11 年前
&quot;Thousands of Americans have fought and suffered and died to preserve freedom over our history — does it make sense to sacrifice freedom now because the state tells us people will die if we don&#x27;t?&quot;<p>This.
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frank_boyd超过 11 年前
&gt; Would it be better to say back to the government &quot;no thank you&quot; and accept a higher risk of terrorist attack if it means not living in a society of entitled spies?<p>Of course it would be better, b&#x2F;c:<p>Right after the argument for the right to privacy comes the fact that <i>there literally IS no terrorism</i> (in western countries, anyway - I&#x27;m not about places like Iraq after the invasion etc.). We&#x27;ve been brainwashed by our media to <i>think</i> there is. Just take a look at some numbers: <a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/fear-of-terror-makes-people-stupid.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonsblog.com&#x2F;2011&#x2F;06&#x2F;fear-of-terror-makes-...</a><p>Conclusion (as an example): If we know that &quot;You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist&quot;, then we&#x27;d first need to fight the police officers before pouring billions into a surveillance state.
jusben1369超过 11 年前
So I was really excited then disappointed as I clicked through. I thought it was going to be a developer who helps the NSA crack encryption. No offense to anyone here but the last thing I need is another article around the NSA and snooping from someone.<p>Who here wouldn&#x27;t love to hear from a developer who&#x27;s helping with this and has strong beliefs in their reasons for doing it?
anigbrowl超过 11 年前
<i>I mean I am the &quot;other&quot; contemptuously categorized by my government, a vast category of people with an interest in using encrypted communications to thwart my government&#x27;s attempt to spy on me.</i><p>The government almost certainly doesn&#x27;t want to spy on you, it just wants to be able to find spies and other bad actors among you.<p>I have to admit to taking a jaundiced view of these complaints, since for almost 20 years the US has maintained an immigration regime in which illegal aliens have virtually no legal path to residency (despite many of them having no criminal record - unauthorized presence in the US is a violation of administrative rather criminal law, and it only become a criminal matter in the case of deportation and repeated unlawful re-entry); illegal immigrants can be detained incommunicado for up <i>6 months</i> without any right to a hearing, have no right to provided counsel, and enjoy very few constitutional protections (in general, those extended to &#x27;persons&#x27; rather than &#x27;citizens&#x27; or &#x27;the people&#x27;). <i>Leaving</i> the US imposes a whole raft of additional sanctions on such a person (eg a 3 or a 10 year banishment during which the person may not even apply to re-enter the country) which don&#x27;t apply to people who stay, and thus create a strong economic incentive to remain, resulting in an entirely legal underclass of about 11 million people who have even fewer rights than ex-felons. &#x27;But they broke our laws&#x27; is the response of most people, as if the laws were not the responsibility of the legislators and people who elected them, but had come down from heaven.<p>I&#x27;m not excusing the NSA&#x27;s overbroad vacuum-cleaner approach to gathering metadata, busting encryption and so on, other than to note it&#x27;s not very different from the kind of data collection private actors fiercely defend the right to engage in, saying that the onus is on the data owner to use good security. But it&#x27;s very hard for me to give a sympathetic ear to complaints of tyranny from people who seem happy to tolerate a system that severely curtails the freedom of several millions of their neighbors.
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Revisor超过 11 年前
I am the spied upon Other, because I&#x27;m not an American. I don&#x27;t have a voice in your debate, no representative, no senator, no amendment. My only hope is that privacy becomes a generally accepted human right.
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pyaniv超过 11 年前
Well...NSA is built by a democracy. The people wanted war..their representatives gave it. The people wanted spying...their representatives gave it to them. Only a minority doesn&#x27;t want these. In a democracy, minority loses. Unfortunately, it turns out the majority are stupid..anywhere in the world. So, just have to live with it, hoping they get intelligent someday.
rasur超过 11 年前
We are all The Other now.
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