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On Funemployment (and My Next Job)

77 点作者 emiller829超过 11 年前

16 条评论

jonnathanson超过 11 年前
Forgive me, but I&#x27;m a little confused by the structure of your blog post. You take us from an understandable point A (being laid off b&#x2F;c your employer closed shop) to a strange point B (a list of fairly restrictive requirements for your next job).<p>I don&#x27;t get how B follows from A. That structure is basically &quot;I just got laid off, and now I&#x27;m not looking to relocate to find a new job, but I <i>am</i> looking for an even better one with more money.&quot; I know you don&#x27;t intend to come off that way, but to the casual reader, you sort of do.<p>The more interesting post, IMO, would have attempted to mine some insights from the experience. I mean, shit, man, you were hired into what sounds like an awesome job, and then had to leave 6 weeks later. Six weeks! That&#x27;s a story in and of itself. What has that experience taught you? What has it taught you about the nature of jobs, about the job market, about startups, about the developer&#x27;s life, about yourself? And how does all of that lead into what you&#x27;re looking for in a new job?<p>You&#x27;re in a very unfortunate situation, and that sucks, and I hope you land an awesome new gig soon. You&#x27;re a smart and hardworking guy. But we need insights from these sorts of experiences, because they&#x27;re probably not as uncommon as we might imagine. Your experience could, theoretically, happen to anyone here. So what would you take from it that you feel we need to know?
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joblessinnyc超过 11 年前
You&#x27;re very lucky. I&#x27;m starting to think that we imagine the market is better than what it actually is.<p>This is my story: I moved to the US on March after working on a fast growing an successful European start-up for 4 years. The one where everyone wants to work at: lots of &quot;I want to get out of the shower and code&quot; problems, smart colleagues and excellent compensation.<p>I took 5 months off to get used to this country, travel and finish some personal projects I had in my mind since long ago. Four weeks ago I started to actively look for a job and dude... I&#x27;m shitting in my pants about the idea that I may have to go back to Europe.<p>I&#x27;m allowed to work in the US, I have a decent Github profile and couple of LinkedIn recommendation (if they&#x27;re useful or not, I don&#x27;t know). I&#x27;ve lead teams before, I&#x27;ve funded a company right out of college and sold it for a profit two years later. I&#x27;ve applied to ~20 job offers and so far I only got two replies: for one I already dealt with HR and it&#x27;s been a week since they told me they&#x27;ll set up an Skype interview with one engineer (Yes, I&#x27;ll follow up Today on that one). For the other one, they were looking for Java-enterprisey guy and I told them that Java is not something that I can say I&#x27;m an expert with, but that I could get up to speed in one or two months at the most. They said they&#x27;ll call again... in six months.<p>HNers: I&#x27;m looking for your advice here. Do you see something wrong with my approach? What else should I try? Am I just too anxious? Because it seems to me that everyone take forever to answer! I&#x27;m really scared, because I left a lot of things behind on the idea that finding a job in New York City would be easy as cake and now I&#x27;m facing reality.<p>I don&#x27;t have a network that I could leverage here in New York. I&#x27;m trying to build one, but that could take more time than the one I could resist before exploding in desperation and handling my resume to companies outside my field of expertise.<p>Thanks!
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ChuckMcM超过 11 年前
Great post Ernie, I&#x27;m sure you will do fine. I think you miss the bravado though that is in some of those &#x27;funemployment&#x27; tweets, its a scary thing to be out of work and not actually interviewing anywhere. One way we fight back our fears is to loudly profess their non-existence. It helps for a while.<p>That said, the difference between a &#x27;hot mature&#x27; market and a &#x27;hot new&#x27; market are starting to become clear to a lot of people. In the &#x27;hot new&#x27; version there is demand for anyone who can fill the role, in the &#x27;hot mature&#x27; version there is demand for a role at a certain compensation rate. It&#x27;s the latter that has caught out a lot of people I know, who &quot;grew up&quot; in a company, signing on out of college, working 10, 15, 20 years, and then finding themselves out of work. What has happened is that their salary ratcheted up with annual reviews but the supply of candidates increased dramatically. Their faced with the question of taking a job with a 30% pay cut, or not working. It brings on a whole host of emotions about self worth and future prospects. Engineers, especially software engineers, are becoming somewhat commoditized and that changes a lot of employment dynamics.
henrik_w超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t know about &quot;funemployment&quot;. Not knowing what your next job is going to be takes a lot of the fun out of all the time you have (at least that&#x27;s my experience). A much better situation is knowing that you&#x27;ll start in say 3 months - <i>then</i> you can really enjoy the free time. Usually though, companies want you to start as soon as possible, so that rarely works out.
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tom_b超过 11 年前
Nothing is quite the gut punch like a job that simply evaporates. Good luck in your search.<p>Commenting from the enterprise programmer perspective, I have seen talented, well-credentialed, strong portfolio-wielding, but lesser-networked hackers spend significant amounts of time (up to a year) on the sideline while seeking work in my region. Hackers should remember that this actually happens.<p>Build a bit of a cash cushion. Be prepared to invest in yourself (<a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/badeconomy.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;badeconomy.html</a>). If you stay or return to the enterprise world, don&#x27;t join a &quot;cost center&quot; group.
tptacek超过 11 年前
How does a company with 6 weeks runway manage to hire someone like this?
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agentultra超过 11 年前
There&#x27;s very little in the way of commercial software development that makes me, &quot;want to program wet and naked.&quot; The kinds of things in programming that get me going are mostly academic at this point and the application of technology that I am interested in I am not qualified for at the engineering level... so I just have to make my bills and study Hilbert&#x27;s absolute proofs and meta-mathematics in my own time (which is very little these days).<p>Maybe it&#x27;s different for you and I hope you do find something like that because there&#x27;s nothing like it.<p>But for practical reasons you may consider just doing a job and not expecting to derive happiness and fulfillment from every waking moment of your day.<p><i>Update</i>: Not that you can&#x27;t find happiness and fulfillment from doing a good job and making people happy. ;)
danielrmay超过 11 年前
Unfortunately the majority of us don&#x27;t get to be so picky when choosing a job - especially when we&#x27;ve just been laid off so suddenly.
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henrik_w超过 11 年前
I think you have to compromise on some points in pretty much all jobs. It&#x27;s very hard to get every single point right. The key is to compromise on the right things. I wrote my own list of what I look for in a new job not so long ago: <a href="http://henrikwarne.com/2013/03/26/what-do-programmers-want/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;henrikwarne.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;03&#x2F;26&#x2F;what-do-programmers-want&#x2F;</a>
_pmf_超过 11 年前
A blog post quoting your own tweets? Seriously?
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opendomain超过 11 年前
I know that you are not looking for Contract work, but I looking for someone to create a rails tutorial for the <a href="http://www.RubyRails.Com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.RubyRails.Com</a> . The content would be Free and the project would support open source. contact me at Ric AT HNusername DOT org
ido超过 11 年前
And what if you don&#x27;t find a job that meets these criteria?
wambotron超过 11 年前
Good luck finding something like that. I don&#x27;t think it will be easy
linuxlizard超过 11 年前
I wonder if he has a mortgage and&#x2F;or kids.
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Jayschwa超过 11 年前
I hope it works out for you. I deliberately took a year off for funemployment. I did some new things, learned some new things, and eventually wound up as a student at hackerschool.com. I found a nice gig through them, which I start in two weeks.
chrisbennet超过 11 年前
When I&#x27;m between jobs I tell my friends &quot;I&#x27;m not unemployed. I&#x27;m a man of <i>leisure</i>&quot;. :-)