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The Frameless Geodesic Dome I currently live in

747 点作者 brucehauman超过 11 年前

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finnh超过 11 年前
If you want to live in a city, it&#x27;s not the cost of the house that kills you: it&#x27;s the dirt.<p>In Seattle, where I live, my property tax statement tells me that my (large, nice) house is worth roughly half as much as the land it sits on.<p>Given that these domes don&#x27;t float, you still need a place to put &#x27;em. If your goal is to opt out of the cost of housing - an evil which this blog post expounds upon at length - your first order of business isn&#x27;t so much &quot;what to live in&quot; but &quot;where is it going to be&quot;.
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brudgers超过 11 年前
As an architect, I appreciate many of the ideas expressed via the design - in particular seeking a reduced footprint.<p>However, while many US jurisdictions might not require a building permit for this structure due to its size, it would typically not be exempt from building codes and as a habitable structure and more importantly as a dwelling, the design does not meet fundamental principles embodied in modern building codes.<p>While the principle of occupant safety is fairly obvious and its susceptibility to liberatarian objections predicable, the code embodies a further less obvious principle, that of first responder safety. Doors and windows have size and operational requirements to allow fire-fighters to get in and back out. Structural systems have structural requirements and combustibility limits for the same reason. Buildings need to be anchored to keep them from blowing into neighboring structures in a storm.<p>Most people are urbanized, and the structural problems of housing is harder than can be solved by tents in the wilderness. Anyplace that this is a viable alternative for long term dwelling, it is likely that so is a used trailer or a building of recycled and scavenged materials.<p>Again, I appreciate the design and the aesthetic effort and the ideas it expresses. I just can&#x27;t get carried away over an academic exercise.
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mattjaynes超过 11 年前
This is awesome. I especially love his focus on reducing the complex down to the very simple. He put a lot of work into simplifying the design and the payoff was huge - only 3 shapes make up the whole thing!<p>From the article: &quot;The three shapes we derived above amount to a remarkable simplification in fabrication and construction. We have decimated the complexity of the dome.&quot;<p>&quot;Decimated&quot; is the perfect word for it.<p>Here&#x27;s a related gratuitous simplicity quote from Rich Hickey (of Clojure fame):<p>&quot;Simplicity is hard work. But, there&#x27;s a huge payoff. The person who has a genuinely simpler system - a system made out of genuinely simple parts, is going to be able to affect the greatest change with the least work. He&#x27;s going to kick your ass. He&#x27;s gonna spend more time simplifying things up front and in the long haul he&#x27;s gonna wipe the plate with you because he&#x27;ll have that ability to change things when you&#x27;re struggling to push elephants around.&quot;<p><a href="http://devopsu.com/blog/simplicity-is-key/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;devopsu.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;simplicity-is-key&#x2F;</a>
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johnnyg超过 11 年前
Loved this post.<p>I think my favorite part was &quot;I have iterated on this idea a bit.&quot; where you post the fails.<p>It can get discouraging looking at all the beautiful stuff posted and thinking it just sprang out of nothing. Clearly this is neat because you put a lot of work into making it so.<p>Thanks for taking the time to write it up and share it.
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deletes超过 11 年前
How does it fair again strong winds in a storm and occasional hail? Is the isolation good enough to provide comfort in environment ranging from 35°C to -15°C ?<p>What is your solution for a bathroom? Where do you shower?
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sequoia超过 11 年前
What land is this put on? Did you buy it or is it a friend&#x27;s? Maybe I missed that part, I didn&#x27;t read the whole article closely; it&#x27;s kind of an important question because it may change your project price from $2,100 to $302,100 depending on your location.<p>A search for &quot;toilet&quot; &quot;bathroom&quot; and &quot;poop&quot; yielded no results however, as did searches for &quot;kitchen&quot; &quot;cook&quot; &quot;stove&quot; and &quot;range.&quot; Assuming OP eats food (hackers still do that, no?) and poops, it seems there is more to this living arrangement than is described in this article.<p>I don&#x27;t know the situation but put a gun to my head and force me to speculate and I&#x27;ll say &quot;This guy is living on a friend&#x27;s land &amp; relying on the resources in his friend&#x27;s house.&quot; There&#x27;s no shame in that but it&#x27;s disingenuous to sweep it under the rug and pretend your abode is an &quot;alternative&quot; to a house when it in fact relies on a house.
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sopooneo超过 11 年前
My little backwater hometown in Maine raged with ideas like this in the seventies, just before I entered the world. One or two families still live in buildings of similar feel. But most got normal walls with plumbing and lots of TV&#x27;s once the children outnumbered.<p>A few of my generation picked up the torch in the nineties, and I happen to know of one off-the-grid dome lived in by a classmate of mine. Though he&#x27;s married now and no matter how much &quot;Little House&quot; she has read, I find it&#x27;s a rare wife that wouldn&#x27;t prefer a conventional stove by year five or so.<p>So when I see these posts I smile for my own parents&#x27; optimism and naivete. And I also feel desperately, overwhelmingly homesick. That garden reads as Eden to my eye. So props to the builder. I hope you make lots of great memories there.
robododo超过 11 年前
So... plastic + blue foam + blue foam + plastic.<p>This sounds extremely flammable. Are any of your materials actually code-rated for a living structure (as you&#x27;re using them)? Last I checked, stuff like blue foam board needs to be used in specific ways, such as behind fire-rated walls. You cannot leave any of it exposed, or it&#x27;s a fire hazard.
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michaelt超过 11 年前
In my country I&#x27;m not sure what the legal situation would be - as I understand it you can&#x27;t just throw up a trailer park where you want. And a plot of land with permission for a permanent residence is worth about half the cost of a house. What&#x27;s the legal situation in your country?<p>Have you ever invited girls home, and if so how did they react? I think your dome looks awesome and fascinating, but I don&#x27;t know if everyone would be so enthusiastic?
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adaml_623超过 11 年前
I like geodesics but I don&#x27;t think they are any more practical than a Yurt.<p>This link is written by somebody with quite a lot of experience with domes. <a href="http://www.shelterpub.com/_shelter/domebuilders_blues.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.shelterpub.com&#x2F;_shelter&#x2F;domebuilders_blues.html</a>
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micro_cam超过 11 年前
My parent&#x27;s moved to the rural north west in the early 70&#x27;s and knew people who attempted the dome lifestyle. By the time I was born in 1981 they had all moved on and built traditional houses.<p>There are issues with domes that aren&#x27;t apparent to the novice builder. Besides questions about if being an efficient use of space the numerous angled joints make them very difficult to weather seal&#x2F;roof so they tend to leak.<p>A simple, passive solar rectangular design from sips (structured insulating panels) is much more efficient and quicker to put up. You order the panels pre built and routed for doors&#x2F;windows&#x2F;plumbing. Rectangular panels means you need to bolt them together in fewer places.<p>I think david wright&#x27;s high sierra cabin is a great example of what is possible using this construction method:<p><a href="http://davidwrightarchitect.com/cabins/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;davidwrightarchitect.com&#x2F;cabins&#x2F;</a><p>THough i have also seen simpler plans more in line with this dome.
jdnier超过 11 年前
Any concerns about living surrounded by all that polystyrene blueboard? Either indoor air quality or flammability? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystyrene#Fire_hazards" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Polystyrene#Fire_hazards</a>
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eksith超过 11 年前
I love it! I especially like that it is in fact a closer to a proper dome rather than a flat faceted solid since the panels are flexible. It reminds me of an igloo.<p>We get a fair amount of snow, so if I went about this, there would probably be a frame underneath. There are plenty of tutorials on the web for the assembly of geodesic structures.<p>This touches on another project that didn&#x27;t quite take off called the &quot;Icopod&quot; <a href="http://eksith.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/icopod" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;eksith.wordpress.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;01&#x2F;06&#x2F;icopod</a><p>The idea was very similar, but I think the original designer became disinterested and moved onto other things. The fact that you provided exact shapes and sizes makes me more hopeful.
staunch超过 11 年前
I wonder how many people could make money putting a couple of these in their backyards and renting them out on Airbnb.
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Zarathust超过 11 年前
I really like having hot running water and a shower in my home. Lets say that I&#x27;m willing to pay extra for this.
peller超过 11 年前
@brucehauman Truly exceptional work. This post literally made my day; I can&#x27;t thank you enough for spending the time to write and share it. I especially like the smart utilization of 4x8 panels with minimal waste and the tiny BOM required for construction. As someone with a fair amount of construction experience myself, the amount of engineering thought you&#x27;ve put into this project clearly shines through.<p>It&#x27;s innovators like you who make this world a better place; keep up the great work and don&#x27;t ever let the critics get under your skin!!
kpennell超过 11 年前
For those who want to work on their projects and live cheap, I&#x27;ve seen:<p>Live in your car and have a hackerspace and gym membership: <a href="http://www.quora.com/Would-becoming-homeless-be-a-good-strategy-to-cut-costs-1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quora.com&#x2F;Would-becoming-homeless-be-a-good-strat...</a><p>Hide out at AOL office<p>Be homeless in Swedish forest<p>Move to foreign country where it&#x27;s cheaper to live<p>Move to a dome<p>Added it to the list!
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osivertsson超过 11 年前
Beautiful and inspiring. Posts like this is what makes HN great.
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ctdonath超过 11 年前
Bravo! Fantastic attempt (thinking way outside the box), with interesting results (low cost, rapid construction). Great step in the tiny house concept.<p>Not sure how to reconcile the shape with societal expectations, as we&#x27;re trained to expect 3+ rooms with rectangular layout (even &quot;tiny homes&quot; adhere). Does look a bit tight inside, at least for usable floorspace juxtaposed with headroom. Cost is impressive (low), but might need something of a sales pitch to motivate living in the 4-digit expense.<p>I&#x27;m most impressed that you <i>did it</i>. Would love the opportunity to try it myself (alas, priorities).
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xradionut超过 11 年前
I live in tornado alley in a area with extremely summer temps and the occasional wild fire. These are the domes we recommend:<p><a href="http://www.monolithic.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.monolithic.com&#x2F;</a>
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zzzeek超过 11 年前
what&#x27;s the story on kitchen &#x2F; food ? (oh right and plumbing, bathrooms, etc).<p>for this to scale up, we are looking to replace having a traditional house right nearby, right?<p>are you doing all takeout or something like a camping stove outdoors ?
erikig超过 11 年前
I enjoyed his write-up, his discussions on motivations, as well as the pictures of his early attempts.<p>I&#x27;m a big fan of thinking outside the box (pun intended).<p>Somewhat related to his thoughts on home structures is the shipping container home movement that has been gradually picking up steam. Insulated shipping containers make great home frames and it would be nice to see similar grassroots discussions on the challenges of setting them up as well as success stories.
jquery超过 11 年前
The efficient-home problem has already been solved. We call them manufactured homes. They&#x27;re cheap, and are actually up-to-code for long-term living.
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dalke超过 11 年前
Steward Brand, in &quot;How Buildings Learn: What Happens After They’re Built&quot;, &quot;asserts that the best buildings are made from low-cost, standard designs that people are familiar with, and easy to modify. In this way people can gradually change their buildings to meet their needs.&quot; (Quoting Wikipedia.)<p>One example was living in a trailer in New Mexico, which can be winterized by surrounding it by straw bales, then turned into walls, and expanded as needed. Another was living in an old wooden boat, on land, where it was trivial to cut a hole if you wanted it.<p>That&#x27;s much in line with the philosophy behind this dome, which several others here agree with.<p>However, Brand also specifically dislikes domes, because they are difficult to expand, or to add internal divisions. For a single person, who does not need partitions or extra space, this is not a problem. (Nor would it be a problem if it were cheap to tear down and rebuild an entirely new structure.)<p>For a family or group of people, it is less tenable, as others here have also pointed out.
nathanbatson超过 11 年前
What kind of rvalue are you able to get from the structure? I&#x27;m wondering if this would be viable for colder climates.
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state超过 11 年前
What&#x27;s really refreshing about this is that it opens up something we think of as completely static (housing) to the possibility of continuous improvement. I really appreciate the effort to refine the structure. Our concept of improving our immediate environment almost never extends to the walls themselves.<p>Clearly your approach is not for everyone, but it&#x27;s great that you have taken the time to share your experience since it will likely push likeminded others towards experimenting as well.<p>As an aside, I have some limited experience with these: <a href="http://shelter-systems.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;shelter-systems.com&#x2F;</a> and it has been a fun and simple place to start. Since they&#x27;re without a foundation I think they&#x27;re considered &#x27;temporary structures&#x27; in California so they don&#x27;t require any permits.<p>Great work!
VikingCoder超过 11 年前
Can we get a PDF that&#x27;s 164 pages long, that has each part on its own page that we could print on 8.5x11 paper (centering it, since you used 4x8 sheets)?<p>Then we could print out own version of what you created, and use some kind of fastener (tape? glue?) to put it together...
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codezero超过 11 年前
Cheap housing is good, but isn&#x27;t a bigger problem the lack of property? OK, I can afford to build one of these, but where do I put it?
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ChrisNorstrom超过 11 年前
You know what would be awesome.<p>If everyone on Hacker News pitched into a fund, bought some land out in the middle a beautiful but isolated place in the rockies and created a weekend getaway for coders using something similar to these little Geodesic Dome houses.
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bwooce超过 11 年前
Dome houses are initially appealing but ultimately and practically have too many flaws to be useful. Single room houses may be an exception.<p>Read this <a href="http://www.shelterpub.com/_shelter/domebuilder&#x27;s_blues.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.shelterpub.com&#x2F;_shelter&#x2F;domebuilder&#x27;s_blues.html</a> and see how many of the concerns are addressed in this design.<p>Lloyd was passionate about domes, but came to realize their flaws. Most of these are applicable today despite the materials improvements over the last 30+ years.
sliverstorm超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t follow the opining for the &quot;handcrafted&quot; houses of yore, presumably ones that have been around for the aforementioned 5 generations. Have you lived in such houses? They are generally pretty crappy. Nothing is a standard size (making maintenance a nightmare), any and all building materials have started to break down, and the owners have almost always completely neglect updating the house. For example, replacing their old plate-glass single-pane windows.
leokun超过 11 年前
Does it have plumbing?
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wholeo超过 11 年前
Having lived in a 16&#x27; dome based on Fuller&#x27;s bamboo dome for two years, my main interest in your Frameless Dome was how the bolt holes and seams were waterproofed. Also, how did you reach the outer panels for replacement? And how did that affect the waterproofing. You said it was easy. But how exactly.
lazyant超过 11 年前
Love to see people building and trying out things.<p>Some architect correct me but isn&#x27;t a spherical-shaped house the worst case scenario for insulation? you have the biggest volume of air to heat&#x2F;cool down with the largest surface to insulate and for heat to come in or go out, plus a pretty small surface footprint.
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GDieken超过 11 年前
The reason geodesic homes didn&#x27;t make it out of the 70s (except at Burning Man and radar installations) is that you can&#x27;t build a structure more prone to leaking in the rain or even a heavy dew. Solve that problem and domes become a meaningful option. Otherwise they&#x27;re a mental exercise.
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quadlock超过 11 年前
I like how the plastic panels overlap to prevent leaking as framed geodesic domes often have leaking problems.
Ratso超过 11 年前
I really like this. I live in the country and I&#x27;m currently in a 2400 square foot house but I want to downsize. I could see having one of these as well as something else like a shipping container or Quonset hut (I live in a hurricane area so I&#x27;d need to have something I could ride one out in if necessary -- though I wonder if your design would have similar functionality to the geodesic radar domes in the far north). Do you have more pictures from when you constructed it? I&#x27;d like to see the individual shapes comprised of the corrugated polystyrene and foam insulation and a close up of how the bolts work. Where did you buy the large pieces of polystyrene? I have similar motivations as you, I want to live cheaply and learn new programming.
tonyarkles超过 11 年前
This is super fascinating! You mention snow, but I didn&#x27;t notice what part of the world you&#x27;re living in. I&#x27;d be curious about building something like this, but I&#x27;m in a part of Canada where -40 and LOTS of snow is a real possibility.
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ChuckMcM超过 11 年前
Excellent article, love the simplification. I recall reading about a guy who was building houses out of burlap bags and dirt and trying to get them approved as acceptable habitable structures in California and was running into all sorts of roadblocks.
num3ric超过 11 年前
This homebuilt dome might interest you: <a href="http://youtu.be/OQu_FaTKkiE?t=4m46s" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;OQu_FaTKkiE?t=4m46s</a><p>This guy&#x27;s a classic: &quot;My name is Jamie, and I have decided to build a giant robot damnit!&quot;
zacjszewczyk超过 11 年前
Absolutely loved this article. Very impressive! I really hope you go on to write more about this dome. I would be very, very interesting in reading more about its construction and some of the challenges you faced along the way.
saalweachter超过 11 年前
Is this significantly cheaper than a standard frame structure with comparable amenities?<p>I priced out the materials for building a small &quot;office shed&quot; with no electricity or running water, and came up with a price tag of something like $2000 for a 10x10 structure, assuming completely conventional 2x4&#x27;s, fiberglass insulation, and off-the-shelf doors and windows. I&#x27;ve not yet followed through on it, but I feel pretty confident that you could build a pretty serviceable pretty conventional structure for not-too-much-money in not-too-much-time.
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S4M超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s really cool, but how do you deal with the problem of burglary?
marknowotarski超过 11 年前
As I look at the dome versus the trees I wonder: Why do animals seek to isolate themselves from the environment and plants seek to permeate it? No judgement, just curious.
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tedsy超过 11 年前
Brilliant! And smooth abd clean. Saw it on Boing. I helped build a dome in the late 60&#x27;s. I think it ended up like your total utter failure - but I was gone by then. I like the idea of using such a thing as a (flat) roof-top shelter on a garage or something (me downtowner). And I&#x27;m highly amused that all the commentary I had the stamina to scan was about housing prices and nothing about structure. cheers, Good Luck, Tedsy
Pitarou超过 11 年前
I just want to highlight what&#x27;s important about this design:<p>IT&#x27;S FRAMELESS<p>This drastically brings down the costs.<p>There are still disadvantages, of course -- the inflexible shape and lack of large, flat, vertical surfaces is a problem for most applications -- but the dome is now so much cheaper that, in some niches, they&#x27;re worth a second look. I can well imagine, for instance, mass-produced geodesic haybarns based on this design.
wolfv超过 11 年前
Thanks for the post Bruce.<p>Have you considered applying aluminum foil to the outer shell with contact cement, to eliminate solar gain and plastic breakdown?
jacob_smith超过 11 年前
I would love to see some more of the blog concerning windows&#x2F;doors&#x2F;electricity -- any showers or water running to the dome?
ajmurmann超过 11 年前
It would be very interesting to see the door. Anything I can think off would easier break the structure of the dome or be awkward.
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krmmalik超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m really interested in ideas like this.<p>There isn&#x27;t enough innovation in alternative housing. The cost of buying a house in the UK is astronomical. Even a flat-pack build is still very expensive although a fair bit cheaper than brick and mortar, but you still have to buy land and deal with regulatory policies with regards to construction.
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seansoutpost超过 11 年前
Tis is really awesome.<p>If it&#x27;s cool with you, I&#x27;m going to build one of these to house homeless is Satoshi Forest (<a href="http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6939/seans-outpost-announces-satoshi-forest/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoinmagazine.com&#x2F;6939&#x2F;seans-outpost-announces-sato...</a>).<p>Seems like a rather elegant solution.
baddox超过 11 年前
Just yesterday I found this fellow Paul Elkins via YouTube. He makes some cool (smaller) shelters as well. Like this:<p><a href="http://www.elkinsdiy.com/survival/rapid-coroshelter/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.elkinsdiy.com&#x2F;survival&#x2F;rapid-coroshelter&#x2F;</a>
prawn超过 11 年前
Wonder if there&#x27;d be interest in a smaller, clear version of this as a greenhouse. Something that could be laser cut and packed down to a postable package. Light enough that you could lift and place it over your seedlings.
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jwallaceparker超过 11 年前
Looks great!<p>Key question: do the ladies like it?
Goladus超过 11 年前
The main question I have is not how hard it would be to stack these as with an apartment building, but how hard would it be to connect a small network of these into a single-floor house with rooms for different purposes?
tootie超过 11 年前
Where does the electricity come from and where does his bodily effluence go?
jostmey超过 11 年前
Where&#x27;s the bathroom?
hardworkisfun超过 11 年前
Wow awesome, love your writing and thinking Bruce. Would love to hear more about your thoughts on doing what you want, despite not getting paid for it and minimizing your lifestyle.
batemanesque超过 11 年前
given that so many people don&#x27;t have any access to housing at all it seems somewhat myopic to criticize the fact that construction generally aims for efficiency rather than beauty.<p>the dome looks nice but is stuff like this really a viable alternative for anyone other than a small well-off slice of the population? how does the cost of not having a kitchen compare to what you save in building materials?
boofitz超过 11 年前
When I saw this, my 1st thought was how useful these would be in refugee camps: much more humane housing than tents!
zwieback超过 11 年前
I like it for what it is and enoyed reading the post a lot but it&#x27;s really not a housing alternative.
alex_doom超过 11 年前
I wonder how long it takes to assemble&#x2F;disassemble. Might be a interesting structure at Burning Man.
FriedPickles超过 11 年前
First acceptable use of the word &quot;synergy&quot; I&#x27;ve seen in a long time!
umsm超过 11 年前
This particular post presents a very interesting structure &#x2F; design. But I don&#x27;t see this solving any major issue. There seem to be better alternatives to this that solve &quot;housing issues&quot;.<p>Why wouldn&#x27;t you build a log cabin instead of something like this?
crb002超过 11 年前
Only the shell remains in Montreal. The dome plastic burned. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Biosph%C3%A8re" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Montreal_Biosph%C3%A8re</a>
dalanmiller超过 11 年前
Where is the toilet.
stevewilhelm超过 11 年前
Ah, what&#x27;s old is new again. <a href="http://www.bagginsend.net/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bagginsend.net&#x2F;</a>
shadowOfShadow超过 11 年前
Where&#x27;s the geodesic toilet?
SamBoogie超过 11 年前
Dope. All hail Bucky!
hippich超过 11 年前
Where is restroom?
fakename超过 11 年前
paging @FalseMedium
justnope超过 11 年前
Charlatan.
ebbv超过 11 年前
While neat this seems to offer zero advantages in reality vs. traditional housing, unless you&#x27;re a lone hermit living away from everyone else.<p>Assuming you have 10-20 people to house, each person having their own dome seems less efficient than building a more traditional house with shared kitchen, bathroom, etc. facilities, since the dome cannot contain those, at least without scaling up significantly at which point its utilization of space becomes really inefficient.<p>EDIT:<p>To clarify I&#x27;m assuming that:<p>A) He&#x27;s living a commune with this, and sharing cooking&#x2F;bathroom facilities with others. Thus my comment abotu 10-20 people to house.<p>B) The point is efficiency&#x2F;ease of housing people. I don&#x27;t think a bunch of individual (or 2-3 person domes) is any more efficient than one or two traditional houses to hold everyone and all the facilities needed.
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kingmanaz超过 11 年前
Corrugated steel is an often overlooked building material, particularly for tiny houses:<p><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z4MwyfNR-Ek/TbNYZHvul_I/AAAAAAAAY50/6lPgfLMFfUs/s1600/P1000286+%255B1024x768%255D.JPG" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;2.bp.blogspot.com&#x2F;-Z4MwyfNR-Ek&#x2F;TbNYZHvul_I&#x2F;AAAAAAAAY5...</a><p>Photo taken in Chloride, AZ. Many of the small homes in the town have their original iron siding and are well over 100 years old.<p>This book has more information: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Corrugated-Iron-Simon-Holloway-Mornement/dp/0711226547/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1378773939&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=corrugated+iron" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Corrugated-Iron-Simon-Holloway-Morneme...</a>
ommunist超过 11 年前
In the UK materials cost goes roughly the same nominal, only in GBP. Makes such projects more expensive, but does not make them less attractive. Thank you for sharing.
volokoumphetico超过 11 年前
it would be nice if you could carry this in your pocket and you add water to the tiny pocket sized cylinder labelled &quot;Capsule Corp.&quot; and yell &quot;HOY POY&quot; and it will spring to life, complete with furnitures, your computer and everything.
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