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An open letter to Jason Calacanis

126 点作者 jobenjo将近 16 年前

15 条评论

anonn将近 16 年前
Calacanis and Mahalo are growing more and more desperate. They raised a huge amount of money for a huge valuation but their traffic has stalled and been going down.<p>For a while, they've been spamming search results with their keyword-rich pages full of links to other sites (no different from what Adsense spammers have been doing for 5+ years <a href="http://www.seobook.com/official-mahalo-com-spam-according-googles-internal-spam-documents" rel="nofollow">http://www.seobook.com/official-mahalo-com-spam-according-go...</a> ) and then they started paying websites to distribute their keyword spam widget ( <a href="http://www.seobook.com/mahalo-caught-pagerank-funneling-link-scheme" rel="nofollow">http://www.seobook.com/mahalo-caught-pagerank-funneling-link...</a> ).<p>Now they're even more brazen at stealing content from other websites and have not only started taking Fluther's content but also content from few other sites.<p>And all the while, Google has been giving Mahalo a free pass. If you tried any of this, Google would have slapped you down and put your site into a sandbox or supplementary index bucket. And Mahalo is still spamming the web and Google's doing nothing.
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ryanwaggoner将近 16 年前
Wait...so a Mahalo user manually selected a public Tweet and said they wanted to answer it, and therefore the question ended up Mahalo with a link to the Twitter profile that asked it? And Fluther has their knickers in a twist over this?<p>You've got to be kidding me. The tone of the blog post makes it sound like Mahalo is scraping the web looking for questions to steal (which is itself kind of laughable), but what it sounds like they're actually doing is just allowing users to select questions from public Twitter and answer them, including a link to where it was found on Twitter. How the fuck is that a problem? If you don't want users doing that, don't post your shit to Twitter.<p>This now just strikes me as whining from people looking for attention. Well done, you got some free PR. And I now have zero interest in using your product.
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JimmyL将近 16 年前
For the record, Calacanis has given in to Fluther's requests in a comment (<a href="http://is.gd/LXUp" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/LXUp</a>):<p><i>We’ll take down the account for you if it’s such a big deal. It’s like a half dozen questions that were imported by our user.<p>Just so you know we’re not importing every question from your site or anything we’re let our users import questions from the public timeline and answer them... </i>
gojomo将近 16 年前
Fluther accuses Mahalo of stealing the <i>questions</i> asked by Flutter users, not any of Fluther's <i>answers</i>.<p>I'm not sure Fluther has a case under copyright law. Especially if short and to-the-point, questions are unlikely to be considered copyrightable.<p>If your company's 'righteous mission' is building the biggest question and answer database, scraping all public sources of questions allowable by law seems a legitimate tactic, even if it peeves some of the sources.
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jsz0将近 16 年前
As much as I do not like Jason Calacanis I think he's 100% right. If I publicly ask the question "Why is the sky blue?" does that mean I basically own the intellectual property of that question? No one can ever ask it again without crediting me? If that's the case I'm just going to preemptively copyright "Why?" and "What?" right now suckers.
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staunch将近 16 年前
Who and when is anyone agreeing to Fluther TOS? If the questions are being posted on Twitter, and Mahalo is taking them off there, the only TOS involved is Twitter's.
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edmccaffrey将近 16 年前
Why does he keep prattling on about his site's TOS? When viewing something from Twitter, you're not bound to the TOS of a site that you're not even visiting.<p>Furthermore, I just posted a question there, and in no way had to agree to <i>transfer</i> copyright ownership to them--only rights to reuse the question. Their cease and desist threats are fraudulent.
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JimmyL将近 16 年前
Seems like somewhat of a jackass thing to do on Mahalo's part, but I don't think it's anything illegal - the copyright-ability of a tweet is pretty unclear (as in there's no precedent and disagreement amongst lawyers). Additionally, the Fluther TOS has nothing to do with this; Mahalo is simply pulling things off Twitter, without ever interacting directly with the Fluther site, and hence never hitting anything covered by their conditions.<p>It is, however, somewhat of a dick move - especially since the two companies are somewhat competitors. OTOH, Fluther is putting it out on Twitter, and hence seems like they're accepting the risk of possible misuse for the reward of greater distribution. If a tweet is indeed copyrightable, then it seems a whole lot of other services (including, for example, today's hit almost.at) would be screwed.<p>If this is so much of a thing, perhaps work out a licensing deal for the questions with Mahalo?
joel_feather将近 16 年前
This is cheap linkbait by the fluther people. A question is a question, and if you make a question public, anyone can answer it if they want. Sending one email and then publicly accusing a person of copyright violation to gain some traffic is shoddy and dishonest.
callmeed将近 16 年前
I once posted a random startup idea on Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/callmeed/status/1422601143" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/callmeed/status/1422601143</a><p>Later that day, it was magically turned into a Mahalo Q&#38;A (I've never used Mahalo before this): <a href="http://bit.ly/15HX9T" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/15HX9T</a><p>Interestingly enough, Calcanis himself replied to the thread in Mahalo ...
alain94040将近 16 年前
The beauty of 140 characters... When is short too short for copyright?<p>I'm pretty sure that Fluther's TOS doesn't apply here since Mahalo never used the site.
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js3309将近 16 年前
legal or not....its a bitch move by Mahalo to copy fluther Q&#38;A....regardless where it is on twitter or fluther.com
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dchest将近 16 年前
An article on copyrights and Twitter was posted a few days ago: <a href="http://www.canyoucopyrightatweet.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.canyoucopyrightatweet.com/</a>
chanux将近 16 年前
Forget TOS, legal stuff &#38; all that crap. Still I believe Calacanis has a serious problem with ethics.
calvin将近 16 年前
To me, it makes good PR-sense for Mahalo to allow Twitter users to opt-out of their automatic question-scraping system.
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