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E-commerce Fraud Facts

77 点作者 jasontan超过 11 年前

12 条评论

ekanes超过 11 年前
This is awesome stuff. Theoretically. But Sift doesn&#x27;t actually make these functional&#x2F;actionable right away through their service (even though they could). We signed up, love (LOVE!) the idea, but they keep asking for more data before returning meaningful results.<p>Their home page says, &quot;Get going in minutes: Integrate in just three steps: paste a Javascript snippet onto your site, log transactions from your servers to our REST API, and send examples of banned users.&quot; But it isn&#x27;t so. They require a long-term in-depth model of your site&#x2F;usage including multiple fraudulent examples (what if you&#x27;ve mostly solved fraud?) before returning meaningful results.<p>According to this post and previous posts, they should be able to return meaningful results with very basic things: time of transaction, email address, etc. They should start off with: &quot;Here&#x27;s our recommendation, but it&#x27;s based on limited information so we feel X strongly about it.&quot; Instead they say: &quot;Give us more information, we can&#x27;t help you yet.&quot;
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larrys超过 11 年前
With domain name registration the factors that we have noticed that are almost certainly fraud orders are (in various combinations):<p>1) credit card payment is all lower case and&#x2F;or obvious non understanding of how US addresses are formatted<p>2) domain name has &quot;hack&quot; or some foreign sounding word. Or is anything related to vietnam (get plenty from vietnam)<p>3) IP location doesn&#x27;t match customers location<p>4) Multiple attempts in a row with different credit cards<p>5) Registrant name doesn&#x27;t match the name on the credit card and&#x2F;or address<p>6) Customer name doesn&#x27;t relate to email address used in any way.<p>Once again no one factor is definitive usually but a combination of several together almost always indicate a fraud order.<p>Those are off the top there are more. Bottom line is when you simply look visually at the orders you can tell with near 100% certainty that an order is fraudulent.<p>Otoh, here is a fictional example of an order that wouldn&#x27;t appear fraudulent at all:<p>domain: bobspartycity.com<p>Registrant: Bob Wagner Address: 76 Walnut St., Williamette IL bobspartycity@gmail.com And IP is in that vicinity etc.<p>...etc. It could be of course but we&#x27;ve never had a case where a fraudster puts much effort into faking an order using knowledge of what we look for.
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svmegatron超过 11 年前
The patterns that emerge for fraudulent orders are amazing. And, as the article notes, often specific to a particular merchant. Fraudulent orders often come in waves lasting up to several months, and pattern recognition can be particularly helpful in identifying parts of those longer waves.<p>I&#x27;m also working on a project in this space - <a href="http://www.merchantprotector.net" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.merchantprotector.net</a>
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joshuahedlund超过 11 年前
We&#x27;ve found that good indicators include: a large distance between billing and shipping addresses, a large distance between estimated IP location and billing address, large order size, using a free email like gmail&#x2F;yahoo&#x2F;hotmail (that&#x27;s the smallest of the factors, but virtually all of our fraud orders use them). Even combining these and others with a threshold, it&#x27;s still hard to reliably detect without too many false positives.
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twilightfog超过 11 年前
Fraud &quot;facts&quot; like that applied in a blanket fashion would frequently flag international customers, 3 of the 5 rules listed apply to me.
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pdog超过 11 年前
Are you familiar with ensemble methods and boosting algorithms?<p>How does Sift Science combine multiple signals like these (which individually are pretty weak) into one fraud detection system with a high level of predictive accuracy?
pytrin超过 11 年前
We really wanted to like Sift, as we suffer from a substantial amount of fraud attempts (as most business who sell digital products). However, their model is not a good fit for eCommerce sites, and that&#x27;s a shame - it seems to be built specifically for services marketplaces like AirBnb, where there is typically a time delay between payment and service provision.<p>I exchanged a few Email with their support previously, and there is no way to get real time fraud scoring. I would expect to receive in the response to a transaction event the risk score associated with it - something similar to what the Minfraud service does (which we use), but taking into account more factors since they collect more data via their Javascript API.<p>One can only hope they&#x27;ll offer this capability in the future, and we&#x27;d be glad to try it out again.
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C1D超过 11 年前
This doesn&#x27;t seem really smart since some of those apply to me. I am not from America and I sometimes order from there meaning it would seem like I&#x27;m ordering at 4am when its 2pm my time. Another thing is the email, I know a lot of people with their birth year inside their email. What about them?
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smoyer超过 11 年前
&quot;It might turn out that size 10 shoes are more fraudulent than size 15 shoes.&quot;<p>There should be a pretty limited list of mailing addresses that would order size 15 shoes (Shaq&#x27;s house?) and the black-market for reselling them must be a lot tighter.
dminor超过 11 年前
So for something like &quot;fraudsters don&#x27;t use capital letters,&quot; does your system discover a fact like this automatically, or do I have to think up these indicators myself and hope they are relevant?
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jusben1369超过 11 年前
Did anyone else find it odd that the 2am and 4am times weren&#x27;t qualified? (US? East Coast&#x2F;West Coast?)
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AsymetricCom超过 11 年前
What exactly is a &quot;fraudulent order&quot; anyway? Someone has a credit card, pays you and you send the product. Where is the fraud? Isn&#x27;t it external to the company or service? If someone steals a credit card and makes an online purchase, isn&#x27;t that the responsibility of the card company in securing its account proxy more fully?
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