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My Friends and I Bought an Island

832 点作者 intenex超过 11 年前

67 条评论

ChuckMcM超过 11 年前
Congratulations! This is something I&#x27;ve always thought would be cool too. 5 acres is a good size, large enough that you can feel &quot;away&quot; when you are in the middle of it, but not so big that you can actually get lost.<p>Some suggested next steps. Get a good aerial survey done, with pictures. This will help in planning, in disputes, and later in figuring out what it looked like before that thing that just happened, happened. Also hire a geologist to do a survey (if they haven&#x27;t already) and identify all the water flow. You may want to build a cistern to collect fresh water when it rains&#x2F;snows.<p>An acquaintance of mine who has a place in the seattle&#x2F;vancouver area also build a small gauge rail line from the dock to the center of the island where accomodations were. Mostly he&#x27;s a train nut and that scratched that itch but its great for bringing stuff in before storm season sets in.<p>+1 on the local visitation. People will drive over there and walk around. In the US you need to put signs posting it as private property if you want to have a hope of charging people with trespass. If you set up a fire pit and a place for your friends to sit around an chat, that it exists will get out and you&#x27;ll have other people &quot;borrow&quot; it when you aren&#x27;t there.<p>Definitely a lot of fun though. I am very jealous :-)
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brandall10超过 11 年前
Just for people new to who Tynan is, he&#x27;s a pretty far out guy. Some things I recall (sorry haven&#x27;t kept up over the years)<p>1) Ran a successful professional online poker playing business, actually hired employees and trained them to predictably win.<p>2) Was one of the main characters in the book The Game (yes, that PUA one).<p>3) Did polyphasic sleep experiments in earnest (was it a couple months or so?).<p>4) Had a giant inflatable outdoor pool inside his house, taking up his entire livingroom.<p>5) Sold all his belongings, including said house, and travelled the world for a year with almost nothing... probably in 2k8 or so before such an idea became more commonplace.<p>There&#x27;s probably some much cooler stuff I&#x27;m forgetting, but hey it makes perfect sense he&#x27;d be part of an island buying crew.
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jacquesm超过 11 年前
Lots of widowmakers there judging by the pictures, better be careful. One thing you learn quickly when you live remote is that the nearest hospital is <i>very</i> far away both in space and in time and stuff that is routine in a city can get serious (or even kill you) when you&#x27;re living remote.<p>Still, congratulations, I can really relate to how you guys feel.<p>In case there are more island enthousiasts here:<p><a href="http://www.privateislandsonline.com/regions/canada" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.privateislandsonline.com&#x2F;regions&#x2F;canada</a>
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scrumper超过 11 年前
Congratulations! That&#x27;s a fantastic project and a very cool retreat. I&#x27;m curious about:<p>- Ownership structure. With 10 of you, how have you prepared for people falling out or wanting out?<p>- What are you allowed to build on it?<p>- How do you access it? Do you have to pay a boatman to take you out there?
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lutusp超过 11 年前
Quote: &quot;Over the years we&#x27;ll build up the island, doing most of the work ourselves. We&#x27;ll build a communal building with a shower, kitchen, lounge, and bathrooms. Each owner of the island gets to pick a spot on which to build their own little structure to sleep in. Together we&#x27;ll build infrastructure, gardens, a fire pit, and whatever else we can come up with.&quot;<p>So, not counting significant others, ten people sharing a five-acre island. That&#x27;s 1&#x2F;2 acre per person except that not all five acres will be flat, buildable land, and you will have to sort out who lives where, without friction.<p>This works when you&#x27;re young, before you start thinking about issues like privacy and personal space. By the time you and your friends are 30 years old, the island will likely be a distant and probably bitter memory.<p>I speak as someone who lived through the 1960s American back-to-the land, communal-living, private-property-is-a-crime phase.
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raldi超过 11 年前
What is it about islands that gives them their mystique? I don&#x27;t think a post entitled, &quot;My friends and I bought a five-acre plot of land near Halifax&quot; would have garnered as much attention.
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patja超过 11 年前
I am curious about how and whether building or environment impact codes come into play with this kind of remote private island in Canada. Things like septic systems, building a dock or anything near the shoreline, and even putting in a mooring buoy can be significant challenges to get approved in many US jurisdictions.
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intenex超过 11 年前
Hey all - co-owner here with Tynan. He tried to reply to all your comments but you guys left so many he got throttled by HN and now can&#x27;t post. Shame on you all.<p>Just kidding - but really, he&#x27;s throttled atm. He&#x27;ll be back to reply to posts when he can!
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hoopism超过 11 年前
How do you intend to prevent locals from &quot;visiting&quot; your island when you are away? Once someone realizes there&#x27;s an awesome free island with lots of cool stuff to play with you might find it prone to vandalizing.<p>I&#x27;ve had similar romantic notions about owning an island (we kayak a lot). But the reality is that every vacant island IS your island. There&#x27;s plenty of islands &lt; 1 hour away that are beautiful and completely uninhabited. Hopefully someday I will come upon yours... sounds nice.<p>&lt;pessimism&gt;I hope it works out for you but taxes go up, structures get vandalized, local permits are annoying and 10 hours is a long friggen drive. And the fastest way to end a friendship is to joint own something.&lt;&#x2F;pessimism&gt;
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shawnee_超过 11 年前
<i>Over the years we&#x27;ll build up the island, doing most of the work ourselves. We&#x27;ll build a communal building with a shower, kitchen, lounge, and bathrooms. Each owner of the island gets to pick a spot on which to build their own little structure to sleep in. Together we&#x27;ll build infrastructure, gardens, a fire pit, and whatever else we can come up with.</i><p>A couple years ago I bought some rural land with the idea that something like this. . . something I think of as &quot;ecosteading&quot; is going to become a trend of sorts. The idea that I&#x27;m working on (and have already applied to YC and a bunch of other incubators with) is actually right along this line: a platform for people to buy and sell land, exchange ideas for ecological homesteading, even build out a platform for more intelligent urban planning. When it&#x27;s done from the &quot;ground up&quot; (literally), there are all kind of future headaches that can be avoided.<p>Imagine if the Hyperloop or the California high speed rail had been able to be laid down <i>before</i> most of the development around this insanely populated state took place. Population growth is exponential; it&#x27;s inevitable that we&#x27;re going to need smarter ways of transporting people and consumables. The key is figuring out where these new hubs of population are going. Like-minded people congregate; and this idea gives them a way to do it with others.<p>If this sounds like something interesting&#x2F;exciting, I am kinda sorta looking for people to work with. Research it, tell me what you can offer (it&#x27;s Rails!) and what you think of what&#x27;s done so far: <a href="https://angel.co/ecosteader" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;angel.co&#x2F;ecosteader</a> (email only please)
tynan超过 11 年前
Hey guys-- this is my post. I&#x27;m flattered this made it to HN! Will be answering questions in comments for a couple hours if any come up.
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dhughes超过 11 年前
&gt; caught wild crabs...<p>You may want to check with the DFO (Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans) on that. Licenses are sold for many types of shellfish and you want have fishers with licenses for crab, clam, oysters etc. near the island. <a href="http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/species-especes/shelltable-tableaucoquille-eng.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca&#x2F;fm-gp&#x2F;rec&#x2F;species-especes&#x2F;shell...</a><p>Recently one lobster fisherman (farther off shore) was caught cutting trap lines and the owner of the lines shot him a few times and then ran him over in his boat. Fishing is taken very seriously in this region, it&#x27;s all some people have done for many generations.<p>Other than that you should be fine.
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ailox超过 11 年前
This is awesome.<p>I always wanted to do something like this as long as I can remember, build something (more or less) self-sustaining in the middle of nowhere to feel fully independent. I am really curious to what extent the author plans on living there? Will there be houses next to the communal building? Solar Panels? A Generator? An on-site well?<p>It is this Idea of your own small ecosystem which makes Minecraft so attractive. This is real life Minecraft and I hope to do something like this one day.<p>Edit: Just to add some interesting Project: There is open source hardware for everything you need to build your own village in the &quot;Global Village Construction Set&quot;[1]<p>---<p>[1] <a href="http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Global_Village_Construction_Set" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;opensourceecology.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Global_Village_Constructio...</a>
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epenn超过 11 年前
<i>Sometimes it&#x27;s just a matter of thinking outside the box and doing a little research, rather than assuming it&#x27;s impossible or impractical.</i><p>Good advice in general too, not just when buying an island.
jimktrains2超过 11 年前
You could probably let a lot of kids (college students) have a lot of fun surveying it. I would seriously consider approaching a local college or university if you&#x27;d want.<p>Bonus is that you&#x27;ll get some good maps out of it:)
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kamakazizuru超过 11 年前
&quot;I bought an Island&quot; ... on a blog about minimalism...
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snitko超过 11 年前
I wonder if indeed it&#x27;s completely out of any state&#x27;s control or it&#x27;s technically still in a state&#x27;s jurisdiction. I wonder what would happen if someone bought an island and started hiring people and making money there and not paying any taxes. My guess is that government agents would suddenly become very interested in that piece of land and would pay a visit.
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samstave超过 11 年前
A few years ago I was looking into this as well, but in the Philippines -- there were a ton of amazingly beautiful and affordable islands in the Palawan region... the problem was getting stuff&#x2F;services onto the island.<p>Getting power, water, sewer made the cost extremely high. Even with Solar&#x2F;Septic - getting equipment and suplpies was just far too much for me to undertake and afford.<p>So CONGRATS on succeeding. How much for an 11th person share in the Island?<p>Have you setup an &quot;infrastructure&quot; fund where all ten of you contribute a monthly amount - and then spend it annually on one big buy for the Island?<p>I&#x27;d recommend you see about purchasing used shipping containers and having them barged over to the island: this will let you store stuff - and if you&#x27;re crafty enough, there are tons of examples of building housing from them online.<p>Start planting seeds of edible plants all over the island.<p>Digging a well might prove to be a bit costly...
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maga超过 11 年前
What about visa? Do I get some kind of resident visa if I buy an island in Canada?
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wyck超过 11 年前
As a Canadian I would not have bought an island unless it was near a major urban center and thus has the appeal of being urban and country at the same time, or somewhere warm ..aka not in Canada.<p>If you just want to rough it, you can lease Crown Land, fees are basically nothing if you&#x27;re willing to do the paperwork, most leases last from 10-99 years, some of these leases might be open to foreigners (not sure, might need a legitimate business).<p>Even better start of an amatuer prospecting company, you could probably lease an island the size of manhattan, again for a very low fee. You won&#x27;t own the land but 99 years is usually enough.<p>Or you could just drive really far into the bush, no one will notice.
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GoldfishCRM超过 11 年前
In sweden you dont have to buy an island. All the island are free to camp at. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Freedom_to_roam</a>
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tocomment超过 11 年前
Does anyone have tips for buying cheap land in general for camping and maybe building a cabin? I&#x27;ve always been curious to do that but I&#x27;ve no idea where to start.
sspiff超过 11 年前
I was (much like the author) always interested in getting an island (still am.)<p>I also gravitate toward Canada when looking for an island, because you can get fairly large islands for much less money than lets say in the Caribbean. Of course, the climate is a lot less appealing.<p>I always wonder though, how expensive would it be to get something built on an island? I imagine getting building materials and construction equipment onto a forested island can be tricky and expensive.
lifeisstillgood超过 11 年前
I was struck by the &quot;climate does not matter&quot; part - I have always assumed Canada will be one of the 22nd century&#x27;s big winners in climate change terms (lots of nice melted permafrost agricultural land and an extra 6 degrees would be balmy)<p>the upshot of this is I assumed land north of Toronto is always going to be a good buy for grand children. am I thinking too small?
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phogster超过 11 年前
Shame on me for thinking this but, any chance of internet connectivity there?
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rektide超过 11 年前
Investors and builders, please remember that your property&#x27;s value is sinking. Sinking, sinking under the waves of the rising sea.
mehmehshoe超过 11 年前
I wonder if a small heard of goats&#x2F;sheep could be self sustaining out there and help with clearing some of the vegetation? Out here in fire country, people with large acreage will rent sheep from farmers to come and eat the brush over a month or so. I saw some at Sears Point once and I have to say the critters did a better job than a large mowing machine.
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herge超过 11 年前
My family has a cottage in the backwaters of Ontario (although ~one hour from Ottawa). It&#x27;s on a lake, but very off the grid, without electricity or running water. We have propane stoves, refrigerators, lights, etc.<p>It&#x27;s a bit less remote than an island, seeing as you can take a car into town, and the stray hunter still comes through once in a while.
Nomlab超过 11 年前
Tynan and friends, congrats. First thought: build cool treehouses.<p>[PS Tynan: Hope this HN juice finally gets you accepted into YCombinator.]
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lazyeye超过 11 年前
Tynan you may not be aware of this but there is actually a word for this. You are an &quot;islomaniac&quot;. Highly recommend this book which is a true story about what Id consider to be the ultimate islomaniac:-<p>An Island To Oneself by Tom Neale <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Neale" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tom_Neale</a> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/An-Island-Oneself-Tom-Neale/dp/0918024765/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;An-Island-Oneself-Tom-Neale&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0918024...</a><p>Probably one of my favourite books actually.
TamDenholm超过 11 年前
Is there any site or organisations that are around for the purpose of buying these kind of things? Kind of kickstarter but more larger payments for a percentage of a large purchase? I suppose kind of like a timeshare, but not a rip off?<p>I&#x27;ve come across 1 thing like this myself, which is a car club, you pay £10k and you get X days per year to drive the cars in their selection but you also own something like 5% of the company that owns the cars. I&#x27;d be very interested in other kind of group buying things like this.
jcooper2超过 11 年前
<a href="http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/mavuva-island-lots" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.privateislandsonline.com&#x2F;islands&#x2F;mavuva-island-lo...</a><p>Yeah that looks like a tool :)
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thejulielogan超过 11 年前
Step 1. Buy Island Step 2. Build treehouse Step 3. Swiss Family Robinson Step 4. Thwart Pirates Step 5. Become a host on AirBnB. &quot;Lovely Family Getaway&quot;
y14超过 11 年前
Cool. For how much? :)
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meerita超过 11 年前
Correct me but you buy an island but you&#x27;re not able to make you&#x27;re own country in there. You&#x27;re still under Canada&#x27;s rule I guess.
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erict19超过 11 年前
I&#x27;d thought you appreciate this: &quot;two brothers inherited one of the Hawaiian islands, Niihau, and have turned down all offers to sell including $1 billion from the U.S. government&quot; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Robinson_(environmentalist)" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Keith_Robinson_(environmentalis...</a>
snowwrestler超过 11 年前
That&#x27;s awesome! I have a feeling that you are going to get some neighbors pretty quickly as we all start looking now.<p>For the love of Mother Nature, please hook up with a landscape architect so that you make sustainable decisions about where to site buildings, where to cut trails, etc. It doesn&#x27;t take much vegetation loss to start some nasty erosion.
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southpaw1227超过 11 年前
What process are you using for finances? A budget meeting to agree on what to chip in for future years and for what those monies go to?<p>Did you all sign something already that talks about distribution plans if and when one of the group passes away?<p>Any plans to enforce &quot;no trespassing&quot; when none of the group is there?<p>Congrats, by the way!
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tpurves超过 11 年前
Not all Canadian Islands are so cheap. Here&#x27;s a single family island for 14.4 Million in Muskoka - <a href="http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=13355666&amp;PidKey=-351405494" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realtor.ca&#x2F;propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=133556...</a>
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ctdonath超过 11 年前
Perfect scenario for the &quot;tiny house&quot; (Google it) concept. Decent sized land, but rocky &amp; woody makes it hard to build anything of substantial size, and multiple owners&#x2F;occupants suggests multiple smaller dwellings to fit without getting in each others&#x27; way.
tocomment超过 11 年前
What kind of legal structure would you use for Something like this? Did you use a lawyer? What kind?
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mkelley82超过 11 年前
You are living out a dream&#x2F;fantasy held by many of us and obtained by few. Please do keep us informed on the awesomeness that is to come on Tynan&#x27;s Island.<p>Also, definitely look into the permaculture thing. The Zombies Are Coming! and you gotta be prepared. =)
Jugurtha超过 11 年前
This is amazing ! It crossed my mind but didn&#x27;t put thoughts on how to actually buy an island.<p>Apparently this one cost less than 100k (which can&#x27;t even buy an apartment in a crappy place). I shared the link with a couple of friends.
TomGullen超过 11 年前
Have you checked rising sea levels and how that could affect your land holding?
cipherzero超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m curious now what it takes to become a sovereign nation, and issue your own passports, which will be recognized by other countries. Does anyone have any experience&#x2F;knowledge with that? :)
swalsh超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m reminded of the Reddit Fantasy: <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/redditisland" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;redditisland</a>
jmacd超过 11 年前
Welcome to Nova Scotia
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rdmcfee超过 11 年前
The gulf islands in BC are beautiful and much nicer in terms of climate. The San Juan islands are the southern tip of the gulf islands. Similar prices.
Gravityloss超过 11 年前
Looks like the forest was recently cut and there&#x27;s just a lot of saplings. But within some decades, it&#x27;s going to look much better!
herbig超过 11 年前
I&#x27;d like to echo others and say that this is indeed awesome.<p>At 5 acres, are you concerned at all about deforesting it too much over time?
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stcredzero超过 11 年前
Back in the early 90&#x27;s I ran across an island in a lake in British Columbia that was supposedly priced at $35k.
samuraimodak超过 11 年前
To create a vantage point I hope you will not chop down the forest. Anyway it is your island. Congratulations :)
steveplace超过 11 年前
Can&#x27;t wait for the airbnb listing.
CmonDev超过 11 年前
Twenty years later you will be able to show the exact spot to your kids. In the middle of the ocean.
sylvinus超过 11 年前
One question: weren&#x27;t you afraid not to have visited the island before you made an offer?
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mikeburrelljr超过 11 年前
What&#x27;s the going rate for an island these days?
13throwaway超过 11 年前
Here&#x27;s an interesting link. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Micronation</a>
ffrryuu超过 11 年前
How are you going to get electricity?
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lukethomas超过 11 年前
Do you plan on staying the winter?
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jyf1987超过 11 年前
i am interesting of how to develop this island would they got a solar power grid?
joshdance超过 11 年前
Definitely a dream of mine.
NDizzle超过 11 年前
Needs tree houses asap!!!
corresation超过 11 年前
It sounds like you guys really thought this through (with the LLC, etc), however I can&#x27;t shake the feeling that you&#x27;re going to find this a bit like owning a boat: it sounds like much more fun before you actually do it.<p>Five acres is slightly more land than I have (in the exurbs of Toronto), and is almost certainly much more awkward, with less usable space. I mention that because I can&#x27;t imagine trying to facilitate the desires of 10 different owners on such a plot, and the practical limitations of such a space will become quickly apparent. Notions of being sovereign and all of that seem really strange -- you fall under just as many regulations (if not, in some ways, more) than a plot on the mainland. Assuming that you will fly under the radar is a dangerous gambit.<p>To visit this place you rely upon the graces of what is to you a foreign country. A simple DUI or possession charge in the US == barred from Canada. And so on.<p>Totally get the thought (I have bid on various large parcels of land throughout Ontario), though, just think 5 acres is just much too small.
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elf25超过 11 年前
just blog about this - a lot! Congrats on building your dream! I hope it works out great. 10 different people with ten visions have to come together... wow. Could be real fun or...
burgerz超过 11 年前
Why not just disclose the price?
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Nicholas_C超过 11 年前
I hate to be the Debbie Downer but this seems like something that feels really cool and fun at first but then loses it&#x27;s novelty after a while and then gets forgotten about.
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machbio超过 11 年前
With the Global Warming upon the Human Race, it will be stupid to buy the Islands which might not last forever... All the Islands that are available look like they might submerge within another 5 years.. paying those exuberant rates for islands is stupidity..<p>Look for Islands with a Hillview, that might work out..
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