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The Disadvantages of an Elite Education

130 点作者 gabriel将近 16 年前

11 条评论

pradocchia将近 16 年前
I attended an elite prep school, took two years off and then enrolled at my local state university. A few thoughts:<p>1. <i>You are the future leaders of America</i>: I heard this frequently, and never understood the import, really. I get uncomfortable when too many people <i>agree</i> with me, let alone <i>do what I say</i>. Why would we all aspire to leadership? And where does that leave me, stranger to my own cohort?<p>2. The gap years between high school and college were great. I met a Stanford-cum-Oxford philosophy grad who had dropped out and was traveling the world. I had just had a few philosophy classes in senior year. So while he rolled the joints, I asked about Hume, and Popper, and Watts. Yes, I forgot most of the details.<p>3. Any decent university will have a few excellent professors somewhere, starving for good students. Be one! On account of my time off, I tested out of all the lower-level requirements and went directly into upper-level seminars with at most 10 other students but usually 2-3. I attended and presented at conferences as a sophomore. It was <i>awesome</i>. I already had a decent education from high school, but damn did it get better.<p>4. Many of my friends and family were quite concerned about my choice of colleges. A middling state school? I often felt the need to explain or justify myself, though in retrospect it would have been better just to talk about all the exciting things I'd been doing, rather than apologize for poor appearances.<p>[edited for style]
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gurtwo将近 16 年前
I grew up and live in Europe. English is not my native language. When I was a teenager, the words Stanford, MIT or Ivy League were totally alien to me. In fact the world and the metaphor they represent were all unknown to me.<p>I wish I knew of their existence, but nothing in my environment prepared me for being one of their students.<p>So of course these institutions are for an elite. Not everyone gets the same opportunities, because not everyone is even aware of those opportunities.<p>A sense of sadness suddenly shocks you when you realize it's too late for entering in the circle.<p>The article and the comments here are mostly American-biased. In fact, HN is many times very American-biased. There's nothing wrong about it, but please realise it.
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johnnybgoode将近 16 年前
1) We live in a plutocracy.<p>2) The Ivy League (along with the university system as a whole) is an important part of it.<p>If you accept these two things, and you're anything like me, this makes you angry. Ironically, if you asked someone who attends an Ivy, they'd probably tell you they're in favor of a classless society.
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dschobel将近 16 年前
My sympathies to the author, that is one mixed up dude.<p>What kind of person (at 35 no less) still identifies so strongly with the school they attended as an 18 year old?<p>And to be wracked with guilt about it?<p>And to blame his schooling for his inability to speak to the plumber?<p>This is nothing short of neurotic.
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alexgartrell将近 16 年前
This isn't a problem of the ivy leagues (or any college, the one I attend included). The problem is that society makes everyone think that they're the best at everything. Thinking "I couldn't possibly have anything to talk about with this 'common man'" is just an extension of this arrogance.<p>People don't unlearn to relate to people in good Colleges, they just never knew in the first place.<p>Edited to add: LOTS (if not most) of people at 'elite' Colleges know how to relate to 'average' people.
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biotech将近 16 年前
"I suddenly learned that I didn’t have the slightest idea what to say to someone like him."<p>It's really not that difficult: watch sports. For men, it's the easiest icebreaker. A plumber in Boston? Chances are good he knows that the Red Sox swept the Tigers this week. There ya go - instant conversation.<p>Like I said, this tends to work for men. As for talking to women... I'll let somebody else handle that one.
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smanek将近 16 年前
<a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=224861" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=224861</a>
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gsastry将近 16 年前
Yale isn't nearly as bad as this guy claims. There're enough people who have plumbers as parents that it's easy enough to talk to anyone...
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sown将近 16 年前
A contrapositive of this situation is sometimes you get judged as being inferior if you don't have have some fancy ivy league degree. Or maybe that's just my own inferiority complex speaking or a combination of both. I dunno.
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known将近 16 年前
I think a successful ENTREPRENEUR is worth 10 MBAs and 10 PHDs.
c00p3r将近 16 年前
A+, A-, B+ - everything was "explained" in "Brave New World". "I'm glad that I'm Beta..."