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Silk Road 2.0: A concept of a distributed anonymous marketplace

223 点作者 goshakkk超过 11 年前

29 条评论

gkoberger超过 11 年前
Don&#x27;t forget SR1 was shut down due to a forum post that was linked to an anonymous PHP question on Stack Overflow. [1]<p>There&#x27;s nothing illegal in this repo, sure -- but definitely don&#x27;t even think of implementing it yourself. Or even use it.<p>[1] <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/how-the-feds-took-down-the-dread-pirate-roberts/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;tech-policy&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;how-the-feds-took...</a>
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dmix超过 11 年前
Is this similar to Cryptosphere [1]?<p>Federated networks&#x2F;decentralized hosting seems to be the future for anonymous storage and communication. I&#x27;m curious to see what will be the first real world implementation.<p>The black market drug industry always seems to create pioneers of new forms of subversive technology (see narco-subs).<p>[1] <a href="https://github.com/cryptosphere/cryptosphere" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cryptosphere&#x2F;cryptosphere</a>
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ChuckFrank超过 11 年前
Silk Road be damned! A distributed anonymous marketplace has many real and tangible benefits. By having a robust community escrow mechanism, and by having people deal directly with each other with reputational support, a marketplace like this could unleash a new age of internet commerce. Add to this several arbitrage mechanism to determine valuation, and I believe we can build a marketplace solutions light years from what we have now. <i></i><i>As I&#x27;ve been working on a marketplace platform plan for products and services of uncertain value, if there are other people who are interested in partnering on the build of such a platform. Please contact me as marketplace efficiency is my passion and I believe that there&#x27;s an amazing solution out there waiting to solve this problem.</i><i></i>
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pfraze超过 11 年前
This strikes me as extremely inappropriate. Don&#x27;t publicly advertise tools for subverting the state.<p>&gt; there are the bad guys with guns (&quot;the state&quot;) that can interrupt the operation any moment and try to seize the money<p>This is just childish. There are much worse guys with guns that lack legal and political processes. They generally don&#x27;t bother us because the state protects citizens.<p>Handle grievances with regulations or criminal code by organizing popular support for policy changes, not by building systems to break the law. Otherwise, expect to be treated as a criminal.
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VMG超过 11 年前
Tip: hide the concept behind some clever academic sounding buzzwords, do not mention SR or black markets at all.
aianus超过 11 年前
Given that PGP keys were extensively used by vendors on Silk Road, wouldn&#x27;t it be possible to use Silk Road profile and transaction data (I&#x27;m sure there exist some site dumps out there) to bootstrap a web of trust?<p>Then a distributed hash table or similar structure can be used to publish product listings, signed transaction data, and feedback to keep everyone updated on who&#x27;s to be trusted or not. There would be no explicit escrow but lots of people trusted the feedback history and &quot;Finalized Early&quot; on Silk Road without getting scammed.
tlarkworthy超过 11 年前
One of the features of SR was that the money was laundered on entrance and exit to silk road. So you could not tell whose money went to who (despite the bitcoin ledger being public). This proposal is missing that critical feature.
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FBT超过 11 年前
Distributed services are the future, it seems. I predict (rather boldly, so I may be wrong) that the next wave in computer technology will be the move from centralized servers to a distributed framework. I foresee the next Microsoft&#x2F;Google&#x2F;Facebook being a company that brings this idea to reality. (Not specifically the Silk Road bit, but the general paradigm of distributed services.)
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pdenya超过 11 年前
In SR1 wasn&#x27;t an additional feature of having the money go through a centralized party that neither party had access to the others BC wallet id? Would doing it this way negatively impact anonymity?
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mburns超过 11 年前
That was a long-winded, meandering way to say<p>1. Transaction scripts in place of 100% human arbitrage. Reasonable feature.<p>2. hand-wavy name coin reputation thingy. This idea makes no sense.<p>3. Being federated would be &#x27;neat&#x27;, despite the example project being abandoned and largely non-functional. Or you could just use Freenet instead of Tor?
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pogue超过 11 年前
I see the problem with Silk Road not essentially being with the currency or the network mode itself, those both seem effective and appear to have been functioning properly at the time of its shut down (in so far as we know). I think the main issue is the trying to get physical items from point A to point B without getting intercepted&#x2F;apprehended. It&#x27;s all well and good to move digital items without getting noticed, but once you start shipping things you have to used pre-existing structures (ie: USPS, Fedex, et al.) which, if not run by the government, has no issue with giving any and all information to them. How to solve this is more complicated than the other parts, IMO.<p>Secondly, the arbitration through a third party I could see as being corruptible, if that third party is known and has no legal ramification&#x2F;justification for just acting on their own good recognizance. It&#x27;s like there needs to be a black market escrow that can&#x27;t be bribed and won&#x27;t steal the money.<p>Also, I&#x27;d just like to add that there are other potentials for connectivity outside of Tor &amp; I2P. Older networks such as Freenet allow this kind of node hosting without having to &quot;invent the wheel&quot; and use some kind of new way to host a forum -- it probably just needs some oil added to the wheels. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Freenet</a>
smoyer超过 11 年前
Funds were also transferred through SR&#x27;s wallet so they could take their cut.
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nazgulnarsil超过 11 年前
Horribly underspecified. Reputation based third party arbitration is not even close to a solved problem. The bitcoin block chain <i>does</i> provide a new potential tool in making reputation systems more reliable (a distributed repository of public&#x2F;private key pairs enables you to reliably tie reputation to a persistent transaction history), but there are lots of free parameters in such a scheme that need to be done right.<p>Additionally, with the node idea, the issue is that most people, including drug dealers, don&#x27;t want to be mirroring lots of illegal content on their boxes. The set of people who can follow simple rules related to posting on forums and mailing items is much much larger than the set of people who can roll a secure node in a network.
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devx超过 11 年前
Couldn&#x27;t this work on RetroShare&#x27;s &quot;forums&quot;, too?<p><a href="http://retroshareteam.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/retroshare-forums/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;retroshareteam.wordpress.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;01&#x2F;19&#x2F;retroshare-fo...</a>
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kilroy123超过 11 年前
There were alternatives to SR before the bust, so I imagine one will take its place, and become the biggest.<p>Just like with all large drug enterprises, one falls, another comes in and takes its place.<p>No doubt the other site owners will learn from all this and adapt.
hosh超过 11 年前
I want to see this implemented for buying&#x2F;selling designs for 3D printable things, and other supplies for Makers. I&#x27;m talking really basic things like the OSE&#x27;s tractor designs.<p>Also: is there any way to use these scripts as a form of DRM? The biggest weakness to current DRM schemes is that the validity of a license depends on a trusted party -- the seller, or something like Steam. While such a scheme won&#x27;t keep people from outright pirating digital goods, I think I would rather trust a p2p DRM scheme than depending on say, Amazon or Barnes &amp; Noble to stay in business.
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ebbv超过 11 年前
What&#x27;s up with using github for what amounts to a text post? It makes the link misleading (implying that you actually have some code), and it&#x27;s not a great use of github anyway.
gobengo超过 11 年前
This is an admittedly ignorant question.<p>Would telehash be a useful application protocol to implement this on? <a href="http://telehash.org/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;telehash.org&#x2F;</a><p>It&#x27;s built on a distributed hash table (DHT) routing mechanism that is inherently decentralized.
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stretchwithme超过 11 年前
Maybe the first step is creating a github-like platform without an attackable central authority.
0xdeadbeefbabe超过 11 年前
A title like Silk Road 2.0 makes me think you want attention more than you want a distributed anonymous marketplace. Why not focus on having a distributed marketplace that also happens to be anonymous instead of focusing on the anonymous aspect so much?
frank_boyd超过 11 年前
RetroShare accepts plugins, so could that be an option?<p>It&#x27;s open-source, decentralized, public key encrypted communication and very easy to install and use:<p><a href="http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;retroshare.sourceforge.net&#x2F;</a>
tlrobinson超过 11 年前
The problem really boils down to reputation and trust. If you can create a &quot;portable&quot; reputation that can move among decentralized marketplaces the rest is relatively easy.<p>But that&#x27;s a very hard problem.
TomGullen超过 11 年前
Oh god, something like this surely you&#x27;d want to distance yourself away from Silkroad as much as possible? Call it something else. Don&#x27;t mention SR.
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debacle超过 11 年前
It would be easier to just create a new Silk Road website.<p>This site also fails to cover the laundering aspect of sending&#x2F;receiving from a DPR wallet.
wf超过 11 年前
This is way way off topic but it has been really bothering me lately: Why do so many people misspell &quot;losing&quot;? In the wrap up of the OP:<p>&gt;<i>The federated distributed marketplace will be much more difficult to shut down. And even in the case of shut down, no one is loosing their money.</i><p>I have been seeing this everywhere lately and someone even tried to argue with me that <i>I</i> was misspelling it. Why is this such a common screw up? Lose only has one o as does lost. I see no plausible explanation.
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okey超过 11 年前
Calling this SR2 might not be the best idea, given the intent of the original.
yeukhon超过 11 年前
Why are we encouraging black market?
leishulang超过 11 年前
someone will make it eventually. and when it&#x27;s done, it will be more than a github repo.
ye超过 11 年前
Freenet is anonymous, distributed storage and application framework.<p>Do we need to reinvent the wheel?<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Freenet</a><p><a href="https://freenetproject.org/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;freenetproject.org&#x2F;</a>