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Meet the Nest Protect smoke and CO alarm

63 点作者 DavidChouinard超过 11 年前

21 条评论

dingaling超过 11 年前
&gt; I lay in bed, sleepless as usual, watching the smoke alarm blink. It blinked and blinked and I realized I had no idea what that meant.<p>Whereas this new device glows green, or sometimes yellow. Or other colours. What does that mean? I&#x27;ll have to check the manual anyway, or wait for the &#x27;human voice&#x27; to explain.<p>The beauty of smoke detectors is that they are a minimal set of electronics required to perform the task. This minimises chances of failure, since the circuitry is sufficiently simple that it can be understood. Perhaps it can even be formally proven? Not sure if that has been done for any end-user device.<p>Once you start building an ARM computer, OS, wifi, SMS etc into such a device the complexity and failure conditions balloon.<p>Edit: this device _might_ have an isolated, decoupled sensor unit but it still has to interact with the more complex upper-level functions in order to signal an alarm.
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cpenner461超过 11 年前
I bought a Nest thermostat last year and in general have been pretty happy with it. We have 2 HVAC units in our house (upstairs&#x2F;downstairs), but I&#x27;ve only only bought one for the downstairs primarily b&#x2F;c of the up front cost. This problem seems to be exacerbated with a smoke alarm where most (or at least a lot of?) people will require multiple smoke alarms. My two-story house should have 3 or 4 detectors to cover all the living&#x2F;sleeping areas, but even just one detector is enough of an investment to think twice before plunking down $130 per unit vs several of the $7.50 Kidde linked by jeanjq (<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6514777" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6514777</a>). With the thermostat there&#x27;s at least potential cost savings over time, but that doesn&#x27;t exist with a smoke detector. Granted, the benefit of potentially saving your life in the event of a fire is priceless, but I think that convincing folks of the value here is going to be harder than with the thermostat.<p>Also, sensors in <i>any</i> smoke detector &quot;expire&quot; after some length of time (8-10 yrs - <a href="http://www.usfa.fema.gov/citizens/home_fire_prev/alarms/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usfa.fema.gov&#x2F;citizens&#x2F;home_fire_prev&#x2F;alarms&#x2F;</a>), so this is a semi-recurring cost. Also discussed in that article is the type of detection technology. This is using a photo-electric sensor vs a more traditional ionization sensor. Both have their benefits&#x2F;tradeoffs, the ideal scenario seems to be to include both (slow smoldering fires vs hot and fast). (I&#x27;ve been researching these a bit lately for our house, would happily defer to an actual expert in the field though).<p>I love (and am tempted by) the technology and polish&#x2F;ease of use that they&#x27;ve done here, but the cost seems to be more significant when compared to the current alternatives.
raldi超过 11 年前
My prediction for Nest&#x27;s next product: a home security system.<p>If your home is already equipped with Nest thermostats and smoke alarms, all their motion sensors are commandeered by the central unit. No new wiring necessary.<p>Edit: Come to think of it, there&#x27;s probably no need for a central unit, either.
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jeanjq超过 11 年前
I wonder what battery life is like on this? A typical smoke alarm battery can last years but this appears to have a lot of functions and WiFi and a light.<p>BTW Why do smoke alarm batteries die at night? Because temperature drops and a weak battery&#x27;s voltage output drops with temperature.
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raldi超过 11 年前
If you have any doubt that is a desperately-needed product right now, go read the Amazon reviews for literally any other smoke detector on the market.<p>Frustratingly, this news arrives just weeks too late for us.
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hemancuso超过 11 年前
I love the Pathlight feature - an integrated motion controlled nightlight is a great idea. A nice example of an incremental feature that helps tell a story about the product and justify the relatively hefty price tag. Something you can talk about when you need to justify a $130 smoke&#x2F;co alarm to your wife.
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robmcm超过 11 年前
I just found out that in the UK you can get the fire department to come and install free alarms <a href="http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/smokealarms.asp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.london-fire.gov.uk&#x2F;smokealarms.asp</a><p>Lets home they have the budget to stretch to these :p
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hershel超过 11 年前
There&#x27;s this alarm[1],which costs half the price , offers talking warning, photoelectric detection and in home wireless alarms through the house(if there&#x27;s a fire in the basement , you can know at the bedroom.<p>It would be pretty cheap for the company to offer small gateway that connects the alarm to the net.<p>The major difference between this and the nest is design, but does it justify doubling the price, especially when you need one for each room ?<p>[1]<a href="http://www.amazon.com/First-Alert-SCO501CN-3ST-SCO500-Combination/dp/B000EVO7C2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1381242086&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=smoke+detector+wireless+talking" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;First-Alert-SCO501CN-3ST-SCO500-Combin...</a>
akilism超过 11 年前
&quot;It’s time to love your smoke and carbon monoxide alarm.&quot;<p>lol what?
annnnd超过 11 年前
I love the way they make usual objects look good and function properly. Reminds me of Apple and its revolutions (iPhone, iPad, iPod) - but then again, I heard the founders come from Apple?
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mbell超过 11 年前
Great design.<p>One word of caution before anyone runs out and replaces all your smoke detectors: Ask your local fire inspector about it. Fire safety rules are very convoluted and very region&#x2F;state&#x2F;city specific and I&#x27;ve run up against seemingly irrational rules in various locales in multiple past lives. It&#x27;s better to find out the rules up front than to run into issues with an inspection or even worse, get into a fight with an insurance company about it if the worst does happen. I also highly doubt these detectors would fly at all in an commercial settings, i.e. don&#x27;t go replacing the detectors in your office without a long chat with your fire inspector.
Udo超过 11 年前
The &quot;wave to cancel the alarm&quot; function bothers me.<p>What if there&#x27;s a fire <i>and</i> there&#x27;s movement in the room, for example because the cat jumps in front of the sensor or something falls over?
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relaxatorium超过 11 年前
$130 is a tough sell when comparison shopping for alarms, but it&#x27;s probably a much more interesting value proposition when your damn smoke alarm goes off when you&#x27;re sleeping&#x2F;cooking&#x2F;taking a hot shower, you try to deal with it, and then you look to see if there are any alarms that exist which are not completely inscrutable.<p>The value proposition vs. the thermostadt seems less &quot;smart vs. dumb&quot; or &quot;ugly vs. pretty&quot; than &quot;comprehensible vs. incomprehensible&quot;, or &quot;infuriating vs. not infuriating&quot;.
brianbreslin超过 11 年前
I think the most interesting feature is the one at the end. How it talks to your thermostat and can shut off your heater&#x2F;furnace if it detects CO, which is often the source.
jwarren超过 11 年前
I think this is pretty smart. The fire alarm in my small rented flat is pretty close to the kitchen, so I regularly have to try and fan smoke away from my panicking alarm.<p>Looks like a well designed concept, well executed.
ape4超过 11 年前
My alarms are connected to the house power -- no batteries. That seems like the best way. Perhaps battery for power failures.
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ecopoesis超过 11 年前
Looks nice but $130 is expensive. I have 9 detectors in the house to comply with code. This is going to get expensive.
coldcode超过 11 年前
Man this would be a great place to work.
codex超过 11 年前
Is this product z-wave compatible?
pauletienney超过 11 年前
So much opportunities out there.
apierre超过 11 年前
Does it get Paul Graham&#x27;s seal of approval?