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Four UK men arrested over Silk Road links

58 点作者 TwoFactor超过 11 年前

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blhack超过 11 年前
A friend of our hackerspace had something interesting to say about criminals (he&#x27;s a former narcotics cop).<p>I remember finding a card skimmer once. It was attached to an ATM at my local bank (at the branch!). I yanked it off of the machine (I&#x27;ve made a habit of pulling on the reader before I stick my card in; you should too.), and tried calling the bank.<p>No answer. It was a Sunday, they were closed.<p>I couldn&#x27;t really just leave it there...I kindof wanted to keep it and take it apart, but I&#x27;m sure that would be a crime.<p>So I called the local cops.<p>In the ~30 minutes it took them to get to the bank, I spent some time examining the device.<p>Whoever built this thing was...an idiot. This was the dumbest possible way I could think of for storing CC information. It just read the tracks and dumped them into a flash drive. The criminal stealing cards had to physically &#x2F;come back&#x2F; to the ATM to retrieve them.<p>No GSM modem, no bluetooth, no wifi...nothing. No way of getting data out of the thing without placing yourself back at the scene of the crime.<p>Honestly, I was a little bit offended. If you&#x27;re going to steal my ATM card, at least be GOOD at it! C&#x27;mon, criminals! You can do better than this, can&#x27;t you?<p>--<p>I struck up a conversation with my law enforcement friend about this. Why are criminals so terrible at being criminals? I mean...I hear about drug runners getting busted and put in jail it seems like every day. Have seriously none of them heard of ardupilot? Have they not put the pieces together on this one?<p>It&#x27;s because they&#x27;re lazy.<p>Most criminals have spent their lives taking short cuts. These are the people that didn&#x27;t want to put the time into saving up to buy a cellphone, they just stole one. Or the people that didn&#x27;t want to put the time into saving for a new car, or going to a job every day, or whatever. They just took every shortcut they could.<p>So the reason that they suck so badly at stealing my ATM card number is that doing it badly is easier. It&#x27;s the shortcut, and shortcuts are what criminals are all about.<p>--<p>Well what does this have to do with silk road?<p>I&#x27;m not really sure what to make of the people behind SR [in whatever form it takes in the future]. Ross Ulbricht got caught because he made some really stupid mistakes.<p>But he&#x27;s...definitely <i>not</i> an idiot. And if you read about his history, it doesn&#x27;t sound like he&#x27;s lazy.<p>I think that the drug war has created itself a really dangerous problem. The nerds have mostly stayed out of crime because it&#x27;s not worth it to us. Yeah, sure, we could build drones to fly drugs across the border, but we don&#x27;t, because we don&#x27;t want to go to jail.<p>But I think that the drug war has created such a <i>large</i> incentive for people to get into crime, that some of them aren&#x27;t going to be able to resist it.<p>DRP made absurd amounts of money. Drug Cartel levels of money.<p>And he was a nerd sitting in an apartment in Austin, then SF. SR was an interesting experiment in libertarianism to him, not a drug empire.<p>What happens when the nerd who realizes the absurd amount of money that they can make approaches it like a drug empire? Or rather, what happens when an engineer starts trying to engineer themselves an anonymous drug empire? Not a political experiment, but a true-blue drug cartel?<p>That&#x27;s what the next [or maybe the next after that] SR is going to look like.<p>Remember napster? Remember suprnova? What happened when those things, which seemed to start more as side projects to their founders, were snuffed out?
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lectrick超过 11 年前
More consenting adults being arrested for consenting. More taxpayer dollars being spent on imprisonment and enforcement than less expensive treatment, not to mention the opportunity cost of lost profits from taxation.<p>When are we going to realize that the drug war for most drugs is fucking bullshit?<p>DPR may have gone away but if the law doesn&#x27;t change eventually, the nerds WILL figure this problem out. You say the weakness this time was the postal system? Well here comes APOD, Anonymous Physical Object Delivery <a href="https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/papers/APOD_PETS09.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.columbia.edu&#x2F;~smb&#x2F;papers&#x2F;APOD_PETS09.pdf</a><p>And lest we forget, here&#x27;s a statement from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Commission_on_Drug_Policy" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Global_Commission_on_Drug_Polic...</a> :<p>In June 2011, the Global Commission on Drug Policy released a critical report on the War on Drugs, declaring &quot;The global war on drugs has failed, with devastating consequences for individuals and societies around the world. Fifty years after the initiation of the UN Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, and years after President Nixon launched the US government&#x27;s war on drugs, fundamental reforms in national and global drug control policies are urgently needed.&quot;
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MichaelGG超过 11 年前
&quot;These arrests send a clear message to criminals; the hidden internet isn&#x27;t hidden and your anonymous activity isn&#x27;t anonymous.&quot;<p>Huh? At least in the Seattle case of &quot;NOD&quot;, they caught them by gumshoe police work, noticing patterns in parcels (supposedly tipped off by narc dogs), and asking postal workers to recall customers and so on. I guess if you think mailing hundreds of packages of medicines via the postal service is &quot;anonymous&quot; then maybe they&#x27;re right.<p>The real message is: Don&#x27;t be careless. Don&#x27;t create huge patterns we can detect via physical surveillance.<p>At least, so far. Maybe it&#x27;ll come out that all these cases were the result of parallel construction and they really found everyone by defeating Tor. But so far the complaints seem pretty straightforward.
a-priori超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s just a matter of time -- measured in weeks to months, not years -- before a new Silk Road emerges. And the creator of the next one will not be silly enough to allow themselves to be traced by a Stack Overflow post.
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stcredzero超过 11 年前
What if hackers everywhere started building an &quot;anarchist cloud&quot; consisting entirely of small mobile nodes only connecting through wifi or wireless broadband? Only nodes whose RSA key has been signed by another trusted key would be allowed to connect. All data would be redundantly stored across several nodes, and as part of normal operation, all devices would immediately brick themselves as soon as their accelerometers registered movement. (Done by overwriting their hard drive encryption key with all 1&#x27;s then all 0&#x27;s in both persistent storage and in memory.) To restore the node&#x27;s operation, it would be required to reinstall the OS and sign its new keys.<p>The point would be to have network infrastructure that would be very difficult to serve a search warrant on. In many cases, it would be impossible to fill out the address, and even if they did fill the warrant, it wouldn&#x27;t net the authorities any information. By using point to point encryption, it would also be very difficult to eavesdrop on communications as well.
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atwebb超过 11 年前
Poorly worded title considering the context (or punny?). I can&#x27;t be the only one who thought hyperlink, can I?
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darksweden超过 11 年前
In Sweden, at least two people have been arrested for selling drugs on Silk Road, right after Dread Pirate Roberts was busted. Are the feds going after all vendors on SR?<p><a href="https://hd.se/skane/2013/10/08/haktade-for-knarkhandel-pa-den/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hd.se&#x2F;skane&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;08&#x2F;haktade-for-knarkhandel-pa-de...</a><p><a href="https://hd.se/skane/2013/10/08/langarnas-hemliga-internetkonto/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hd.se&#x2F;skane&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;08&#x2F;langarnas-hemliga-internetkon...</a>
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ihsw超过 11 年前
One has to wonder when our surveillance overlords will hack into torrent sites and steal user information so that they can easily score hundreds of high-profile arrests for &quot;IP Theft.&quot;
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dobbsbob超过 11 年前
If they have the private keys they can go back in time 2yrs ago and match up every transaction on the blockchain by asking major exchanges like mtgox, bitstamp ect for records. I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s a few who directly pulled out bitcoins to a service that has their identity documents and IP.<p>The SEC did impressive blockchain forensic work on pirateat40&#x27;s ponzi scam the DEA&#x2F;FBI will do the same to round up all the major dealers.
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at-fates-hands超过 11 年前
Not surprising. I&#x27;m sure the feds are pouring over the user information they got from the server files they have.<p>Big roundup for sure in the coming months. I&#x27;m wondering if they&#x27;re going to go after all the identity thieves who were rampant on the site, or just stick with the drug dealers.
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ye超过 11 年前
I really want to see the evidence they have against the alleged drug sellers. If they used a good VPN, I don&#x27;t see how they could&#x27;ve been traced.<p>I bet every single one of the arrested guys really fucked up (assuming they are guilty).
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camus超过 11 年前
And that&#x27; just the beginning ,a lot of sellers are about to get caught now.
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