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A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

35 点作者 mburney超过 11 年前

11 条评论

entropyneur超过 11 年前
I am very tempted to add my personal anecdote to the pile, but let me make a humble request instead...<p>If you are not a medical professional, please stop spreading unscientific memes and try to keep your opinion on mental diseases to yourself. The question of whether the drugs work is better left to the actual scientists and not be allowed to cloud the basic fact that one should always seek medical attention if they feel they have a problem. Unlike most physical diseases, the mental ones often impair your judgement and all this tinfoil hat bullshit really isn&#x27;t helping. So please, just don&#x27;t.<p>Thanks.
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freshhawk超过 11 年前
How does someone use the word &#x27;Quack&#x27; in their title and then focus entirely on anecdote and pointing out that fringe wackjobs like Scientologists are spewing nonsense (no shit). Using the rhetorical style of quacks against them?<p>Here&#x27;s an idea, focus on the actual evidence. It seems it&#x27;s because the evidence is murkier than the stance the author wanted to take, which makes for a garbage article and yet more nonsense spewed into a debate that affects a lot of people.
gaoshan超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been on antidepressants from time to time. For the most part they did very little for me and, on occasion, caused awful physical addiction (Effexor, I&#x27;m looking at you) and this made me want to avoid them. But... newer medications are much better than they&#x27;ve ever been and I recently needed to start them up again so down the medical rabbit hole I went. I have to say that the current generation of meds are nothing short of life altering, for me. After a lifetime of varying degrees of depression I am finally finding relief that lasts and seems to have no down side (specifically with a medication called mirtazapine).
thelettere超过 11 年前
Meh. Some people like it, some people don&#x27;t. Works for some people, doesn&#x27;t for others. To each his&#x2F;her own.<p>But every drug has side effects and you&#x27;re not actually changing anything permanently - the minute you&#x27;re off the drug you&#x27;re right back where you started. Psychotherapy actually changes the brain, and there are no negative side effects. That&#x27;s why I prefer the later and not the former (for any issue).
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BWStearns超过 11 年前
I write as someone who would easily have been prescribed (at several points in his life) various antidepressants. I never felt the need for them truly but they had been suggested for me basically with the same level of consideration as most docs hand out ADHD drugs. My girlfriend whom I love takes anti-depressants and they help her tremendously, so I do acknowledge that they are not without merit.<p>That said, I have seen people put on meds that were pretty clearly not needed (both anti-depressant and ADHD&#x2F;ADD meds). These meds were added as either a form of insurance policy against some form of academic failure, or generally in high school, a way to dampen off-median behavior.<p>The big issue I have is the scale at which these medicines are distributed, as well as the early age of the target audience. It does seem odd that there are more than 1&#x2F;10 over the age of 12 in the US (2011 numbers, <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/19/us-usa-antidepressants-idUSTRE79I7FI20111019" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2011&#x2F;10&#x2F;19&#x2F;us-usa-antidepress...</a>) taking antidepressants.<p>I have no religious or economic reasons to discourage adoption of any medication (if it works it works).<p>My primary objection to any given medication is based on my consideration of how I might have turned out differently had I been put on every med suggested.<p>People are strange screwy creatures. I know some people really need help, and to them: get it, it really does help. My fear is that an 8 year old version of me (or you) somewhere is being told that something is wrong with them because they&#x27;re a bit spazzy in class and that they need to be medicated because of it.
blendergasket超过 11 年前
I was given anti-depressants and ADD medication when I was in college. I went to a cognitive psychologist who gave me a barrage of tests and told me I was off the charts ADD and had really bad anxiety and depression. I was definitely anxious and at times I can get pretty down. I turned in less homework than anyone in my whole high school and generally didn&#x27;t care about most things people wanted me to (I did pretty well in community college and university though).<p>The psychologist didn&#x27;t want to even start treatment til the meds kicked in so I, being naive and trusting, said OK, went to the croaker he recommended I go to and started taking them.<p>The anxiety went away as did the depression. So did any semblance of self-control I had. I can definitely see how someone could fly off the handle on these things kill a bunch of people if s&#x2F;he had even the remotest inclination to do so beforehand. I started dressing crazy. I started basically talking at people, trying to blow their minds and confuse them and play with them. I lost any desire to really connect with anybody, any empathy or sympathy. My ability to introspect totally disappeared so I was unable to see what was happening to me. Maybe the idea was that depression or anxiety is related to overthinking&#x2F;over-introspection or something like. Maybe I had an anomalous experience but I&#x27;m pretty sure if I continued with them I&#x27;d be in prison or suffering in some other way for the unanalyzed extremes I let myself get to.<p>I have other friends who have taken them or are still on them and I see&#x2F;saw the same thing with them, a complete inability to self-judge causing them to make the same mistakes over and over and over and a tendency towards unfulfilling behavior. The pill they take to be happy hijacks the ability to ever create the circumstances to be happy without it.<p>I was unable to see what had happened to me when I was on them. I had to be told by someone who I hadn&#x27;t seen in a long time how much I&#x27;d changed. It was a person I deeply respected. She told me in no uncertain terms that I wasn&#x27;t the same person I had been and that I had changed for the worse. I finally tried looking inward and I realized she was right. Then I had to deal with the hallucinations and electric shock sensations of withdrawal but I&#x27;m glad I did<p>I may not be happy all the time, or even most of the time. I may be full of irrational fears but I believe I am becoming less so.<p>Meditation and Qigong help me.
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calebgilbert超过 11 年前
Members of my immediate family have had, and still have, anti-depressants as part of what is making them worse than what was ailing them in the first place. By far.<p>Everyone is entitle to their own opinions and has their own experiences, and that&#x27;s mine. So to me, the quacks are many of the ones prescribing the meds.
batgaijin超过 11 年前
Here is an interesting source that contradicts the tone of this article:<p><a href="http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=185157" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jama.jamanetwork.com&#x2F;article.aspx?articleid=185157</a>
opminion超过 11 年前
&gt; Drugs in contemporary America are like prostitutes in Victorian Europe<p>Victorian Britain?
ivmi超过 11 年前
I know a prominent psychiatrist who believes that antidepressants are largely useless. He still prescribes them all the time because his patients expect him too.
mumbi超过 11 年前
After being on just about everything that can be prescribed, I can safely say that they all make you into somebody you&#x27;re not. Yes, it might make some people happier. But, you know what? So does heroin.<p>In the end, the only thing that can fix you is you.
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