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Adblock Plus: the tiny plugin threatening the internet's business model

26 点作者 jonathansizz超过 11 年前

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cstross超过 11 年前
Frankly, I hate advertising -- ALL advertising, not just web advertising -- and want the advertising industry to die in a fire. I recognize this is a bit controversial, especially with Americans (who seem unable to conceive of content industries that can exist in the absence of advertising: the BBC and the entire book publishing industry apparently exist in a cognitive blind spot), but advertising is mostly oriented around selling us stuff <i>we don&#x27;t want or need</i>, and as such it shares many characteristics with spam; it&#x27;s insidious, intrusive, tries to steal your attention, and works by instilling uncertainty and self-doubt.<p>Yes, 90% of the web would die without advertising -- but I think we&#x27;d be better off with just the 10% left over, because it&#x27;d be the <i>best</i> 10% (the stuff that has a viable business model that works without advertising).
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susi22超过 11 年前
There is a HUGE controversy about Adblock plus. One blogger uncovered some of their business methods. They have Mafia like structures and extort businesses. Unfortunately it&#x27;s only in German and I have yet to find an English site report about it.<p>Main article (very detailed):<p><a href="http://www.mobilegeeks.de/adblock-plus-undercover-einblicke-in-ein-mafioeses-werbenetzwerk/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mobilegeeks.de&#x2F;adblock-plus-undercover-einblicke-...</a><p>They&#x27;ve been trying to cover up their methods and simply lied about it. Stay away from Adblock Plus.<p>Some shorter article:<p><a href="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Adblock-Plus-Weitere-Vorwuerfe-und-Widersprueche-1909535.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.heise.de&#x2F;newsticker&#x2F;meldung&#x2F;Adblock-Plus-Weitere-...</a>
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degenerate超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been happily using Adblock Edge (a fork of ABP without the acceptable ads feature): <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/En-us/firefox/addon/adblock-edge/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;En-us&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;adblock-edge&#x2F;</a><p>I allow ads on sites I support and respect, and everyone else gets blocked. I&#x27;d rather do that myself than have ABP decide that for me.<p>Unfortunately ABE is not available for Chrome (see <a href="https://bitbucket.org/adstomper/adblockedge/issue/23/adblock-edge-for-chrome" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitbucket.org&#x2F;adstomper&#x2F;adblockedge&#x2F;issue&#x2F;23&#x2F;adblock...</a>), so I still use ABP on Chrome. Is there an alternative out there yet?
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iambateman超过 11 年前
Here&#x27;s the problem...anything that <i>can</i> be done, will be done. And ads can be blocked online. It&#x27;s just reality. Like digital music will be copied and secret government problems will be leaked and embarrassing pictures of politicians will surface online.<p>It doesn&#x27;t matter what you <i>want</i> to happen. It&#x27;s just going to.<p>So we, as people who profit from the web, need to think about structuring our businesses in such a way that the inevitable doesn&#x27;t kill our work.<p>(FWIW, Adblock&#x27;s business model is apparently extortion, which makes me sick.)
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nathan_long超过 11 年前
Please note: This article is about Adblock Plus. AdBlock is a completely separate extension with different developers, and is 100% user-supported.<p>Details: <a href="https://getadblock.com/adblock-is-not-adblock-plus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getadblock.com&#x2F;adblock-is-not-adblock-plus</a>
_Lemon_超过 11 年前
As an alternative, I switched to Adblock Edge: <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/adblock-edge/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;adblock-edge&#x2F;</a>
jacquesm超过 11 年前
Adblockers should just block ads, not be used to extort money once they reach a certain level of adoption.
SudoNick超过 11 年前
Given that the business model in question has come to revolve around highly targeted advertising achieved via extensive tracking and profiling of users, it certainly deserves to be threatened.<p>Unfortunately, the AdblockPlus &quot;acceptable ads&quot; criteria don&#x27;t address the privacy issues. So the ABP folks are actually promoting advertising standards and ads that are intrusive. To make matters worse, this &quot;ad blocker&quot; that supposedly &quot;protects your online privacy&quot; is purposely equipped with a material defect in the form of an enabled by default whitelist that allows many ads through including those that are harmful to your privacy. Those unsuspecting users who fail to learn of this and&#x2F;or those who forget to opt-out can get burned.
Sagat超过 11 年前
Ads make for some interesting doublethink.<p>One one hand, I hate the consumer oriented society that wastes resources on a ton of useless products; I despise the scummy advertisers who manipulate people into pursuing the wrong goals. On the other, I like having stuff and will happily buy things to put inside my home and on my person. I am totally dependent on the consumer ecosystem and I enjoy creature comforts.<p>That said, when I truly need something I will make a targeted search for it. It&#x27;s really rare to see ads that actually interest me. So I am generally extremely hostile to the ad business. I hate everything about them, because they symbolize the uncomfortable truths and compromises our society rests upon. They are everywhere and mostly do nothing but sap your mental energy.
nathan_long超过 11 年前
The advertising problem is very strange. There is content we do want which we could have by paying a small amount. But we&#x27;re (by and large) unwilling. So we get ads.<p>A tiny fraction of the ads are clicked, and a tiny fraction of the money spent on that product goes back to the content producer. And that&#x27;s enough to fund them.<p>We could avoid seeing 100 ads which end up giving 10 cents to the site if we&#x27;d just pay 10 cents each.[1] It would be nicer for us and simpler for the content producers. But we&#x27;re not willing, apparently.<p>It seems perverse to claim that we value good articles and shows if we force the creators to sell us boots in order to make a living.<p>Oh, micropayments, when will we find a workable system for you?<p>[1] Made-up numbers
gabemart超过 11 年前
&gt; But sites are rarely paid “per click”.<p>Doesn&#x27;t google AdSense alone count for a non-trivial portion of internet advertising? Unless the rules are different for bigger partners, all AdSense revenue is per click.
Nursie超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t like the implied threat stuff going on here. I may look for a different ad blocking solution. But that article was pretty shrill.<p>As far as I&#x27;m concerned, most online advertising is malware.
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jonathansizz超过 11 年前
Can anyone shed some light on the Hacker News story ranking algorithm?<p>After 1 hour, this submission was in third place on the front page, then I checked again about 15 minutes later and it had dropped to 93rd place, on page 4! There are many other stories that are both older and have fewer points that are higher up the rankings. Judging by the number of comments, this link is obviously a story of interest to HN.<p>Just curious what&#x27;s going on..
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MichaelMoser123超过 11 年前
I have written a short article on adds and &#x27;peak advertising&#x27;. Might be of interest.<p><a href="http://mosermichael.github.io/cstuff/all/blogg/2013/10/14/post.1.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mosermichael.github.io&#x2F;cstuff&#x2F;all&#x2F;blogg&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;14&#x2F;po...</a>
peterwwillis超过 11 年前
<i>&quot;The Internet&#x27;s business model&quot;</i><p>The internet is a single business with one business model? Holy shit. It must work well, as I hear the internet&#x27;s all the rage with the young folks. Should&#x27;ve invested sooner.
psn超过 11 年前
Hah. I recall antispam companies doing the same thing - once they got big enough, they demanded money from major mail exchanges. I&#x27;m sure companies paid out rather than risk long legal cases and poor PR.
maaarghk超过 11 年前
Thanks, due to this post I have switched from ABP on chrome to Adblock. Had no idea the ABP people were acting in this way, will try to spread the word.
bsullivan01超过 11 年前
Ads are fine, up to a point. If the page is almost all ads and not marked clearly as so, then F that company.<p>But these AdBlock PLUS guys are extortionists. Google paid and their ads are &quot;acceptable.&quot; all of the sudden. (Disclaimer: not a fan of Google at all) Google being the world&#x27;s largest advertiser is leading the way in putting the entire business model at risk, ruining ads for everyone. They started with no ads, then a few ads on the side, then on top, then 2-5 on top and 12 on the sides, now ads everywhere and just a few results hidden by ads. Now the product search is 100% ads and I doubt that most people know (not everyone reads HN and Ars) I posted them before but this is a disgrace and it&#x27;s not receiving the needed attention from the media:<p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/mhJhc5W.png" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;mhJhc5W.png</a><p><a href="http://ho9od35yvs05ejqn.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Google-Adwords-HD-Monitor.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ho9od35yvs05ejqn.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;u...</a>