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HP Chromebook 11 Review

59 点作者 amardeep超过 11 年前

15 条评论

rayiner超过 11 年前
The dreadful battery life is interesting:<p>&quot;Despite using relatively power efficient hardware and being paired with a 30Wh internal battery, the Chromebook 11 barely lasted 5.4 hours in our web browsing battery life test. Local video playback was even worse at 4.8 hours.&quot;<p>The &quot;web browsing battery life test&quot; in this article is the same one as in here: <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/7117/haswell-ult-investigation" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.anandtech.com&#x2F;show&#x2F;7117&#x2F;haswell-ult-investigation</a>. Note how the iPad 4 gets 9.48 hours on both tests. On that test, the 11&quot; MBA gets over 11 hours, despite having less than a 25% larger battery and using Core i5 processors. The 13&quot; MBA gets over 14 hours, though it has an 80% larger battery (but has to drive a 30% larger screen).<p>This suggests that Samsung&#x27;s Exynos 5 is extremely power-hungry or Chrome OS&#x27;s power optimization is extremely bad.<p>As an aside, Apple&#x2F;Intel&#x27;s phenomenal battery life performance with the latest MBA signals to me the beginning of the end for ARM. If we&#x27;re getting to the point where a current-generation Haswell laptop CPU is putting up light workload power draw comparable to a flagship A15 tablet chip, that&#x27;s not a positive thing for ARM. Heck, even if you just compare the iPad 4 with the MBA 11&quot;, the writing seems to be on the wall. The iPad has a substantially bigger battery than the MBA, while driving a smaller (albeit more pixel-dense and power hungry) screen. And yet the MBA totally holds its own on the battery life test.
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ihsw超过 11 年前
The article touches on open-source OS alternatives and touts ChromeOS as one of them, however its open nature is only skin deep -- the vast majority of your activities occur within the confines of Google&#x27;s ecosystem (or some other closed-source ecosystem).<p>This is a <i>mostly</i> philosophical issue due to the nature of ChromeOS (everything is supposed to be run from the browser), however it shouldn&#x27;t be forgotten that this device isn&#x27;t nearly indicative of any consumer Linux revolution.
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technosmurf超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m surprised that Anand didn&#x27;t mention anything about the trackpad. The Verge&#x27;s impression is that it&#x27;s pretty terrible:<p><i>&quot;The trackpad, on the other hand, is pretty bad. It’s sticky and plastic, and doesn’t allow your finger to glide smoothly at all; my fingers jittered around as I tried to move the cursor, and the screen jittered even worse as I tried to scroll with two fingers or pinch to zoom on the screen. It’s a frustrating change from the smooth, responsive Chromebook Pixel, which got all this right — and had a touchscreen too, just in case. Of course, the Pixel is also six times the price.&quot;</i><p><a href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/10/4822576/hp-chromebook-11-review" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;10&#x2F;4822576&#x2F;hp-chromebook-11-...</a>
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czhiddy超过 11 年前
&quot;Google is particularly proud of the lack of any visible vents, screws or speakers.&quot;<p>&quot;Google uses the bottom plate as a heat spreader with a bit of thermal interface material making direct contact to the Exynos 5250 SoC.&quot;<p>&quot;It used to be that you’d have to spend tons of money to get a notebook with a good keyboard, Google seems devoted to fixing that.&quot;<p>Interesting how a search for &quot;HP&quot; results in almost no hits in the article text. The quotes above suggest that Google designed the device and HP was nothing more than a dumb OEM. While they&#x27;ve certainly stumbled big time in recent years, I&#x27;d still expect their hardware design &#x2F; manufacturing knowledge to dwarf Google&#x27;s.
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cjbprime超过 11 年前
This is going to sound like one of those self-entitled tech employee tweets, but I wish there was a button I could push that would just remove mention of laptops with less than 1920x1080 resolution from my view of the internet.
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6ren超过 11 年前
This HP Chromebook 11 seems very similar to the Samsung Chromebook in specs. Both use Exynos 5250, 11&quot; screen etc.<p>The Acer C7 Chromebook (Celeron) was much better performing. Running some javascript graphics, it seemed at least twice as fast to me. But it weighed 50% more (~1.5kg).<p>However, the new Acer C720 Chromebook is down to ~1kg, and it&#x27;s even faster, using a Haswell CPU (22nm). <a href="http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/acers-c720-chromebook-launched-thinner-longer-lasting-and-haswell/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;gadgets&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;acers-c720-chromebook...</a> And google claims 8.5 hours <a href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebooks.html#ac-c720" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;intl&#x2F;en&#x2F;chrome&#x2F;devices&#x2F;chromebooks.htm...</a> (cf 6 hours claimed for the HP Chromebook 11.)
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tmzt超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m really confused by the battery life. My Samsung ARM Chromebook last a really long time with only intermittent charging at home. It&#x27;s also perfectly usable for SSH access to my dedicated server and works well on wifi with my phone and hotspot. I would hope that Google is improving battery life on their flagship devices, not reducing it, perception is everything. I also hope that they keep an ARM model and don&#x27;t let Intel&#x27;s marketing dollars overwhelm their partners, while not delivering a comparable battery life experience. I look forward to replacing this with a quad-core processor with AArch64 support, and hopefully KVM.
GoofballJones超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m intrigued by using Chrome OS, but the choices of Chromebooks is pretty sparse. You either have the ultra-high-end of the Chromebook Pixel that costs as much as a Macbook Air 13&quot;, or you have the ultra cheap and cheap-feeling low end.<p>Why can&#x27;t we get a mid-range one, with a decent keyboard, decent IPS screen (doesn&#x27;t have to be touch-screen), long battery life with Haswell chip and USB 3. Yes yes...we can just buy a laptop and run Chrome on it, but it&#x27;s not the same. No ultra-fast boot-ups, no security inherent in Chrome OS itself etc.
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kunai超过 11 年前
HP really killed it with this notebook, but I can&#x27;t help think that it would be even better with Bay Trail. Running crouton w&#x2F; Gnome 3 on native x86 when I need it and Chrome OS when I don&#x27;t is extremely appealing to me as a Linux user and developer.
pearjuice超过 11 年前
I find a lack of Ethernet port slightly if not very disturbing. For a device which requires an internet connection most if not all of the time, why is the only connectivity module wireless access?
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davidgerard超过 11 年前
I used to live on my Dell Mini 9, until it died of crappy netbook hardware (now I use a work Toshiba I&#x27;ve also beaten the crap out of). How easy are these things to Xubuntu?
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hengheng超过 11 年前
So it&#x27;s an entry level computer, probably not targeted towards us but more an e-mail and google machine for our grandparents. Which is fine.<p>Serious question though: Can it print?
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netcan超过 11 年前
Google&#x27;s done a good job here, obviously. This seems like a remarkably solid piece of hardware, especially at &lt;$300 from a software company. These things are selling. but..<p>..Right now, if you launch a revolutionizing gadget category its hard not to get compared and contrasted to Apple. There some hard to define (but I&#x27;ll try) things that Apple is good at in a way that so few companies are.<p>Apple are <i>so</i> much better at &quot;concepts.&quot; Take &quot;apps&quot; as an example. An App is a very clearly defined thing in iOS land. It comes from the app store. It lives on your homescreen. You load data into it via itunes (this part is kinda sucky). When you click it, it&#x27;s open. When you close it it&#x27;s closed. There are no shortcuts and no invisible system apps that don&#x27;t have an icon. The icon <i>is</i> the app. You remove it and the app is gone. If you see two icons, you have two apps. Solid concept (metaphor, whatever). Apple are absolutely anal about this. They will forgo functionality in order to protect the concept. Android&#x2F;Google, are willing to break the app concept in order to add functionality. That means your new music app can play your music and it can have a nifty widget. It also mean that your Aunt can no longer tell you what apps she has. Pros and Cons.<p>Chrome, is built from an assumption that a web browser in a box will be all you need by 2013. Turns out it&#x27;s not. Some things are easier or nicer to do in an app. More importantly, allowing users to install apps doesn&#x27;t necessarily mean toolbar-mallware-windows chaos on Aunt Jennie&#x27;s computer. Now that iOS and Android solved that problem, not allowing apps seem silly and restrictive, even for Aunt Jennie. Problem. Luckily Google is not Apple and they can bend the chrome concept (it&#x27;s a browser).<p><i>&quot;You can finally run applications offline and outside of a browser window.. .. list of offline applications is woefully short at this point&quot;</i><p>So anyway, apps. What is a Chrome OS app? Is it a website that uses some chrome OS extra goodies? Is it just a shortcut to a websapp?<p>I google Chrome OS app to see this <i>woefully short list.</i> I get here: <a href="https://www.google.ie/intl/en/chrome/webstore/apps-gtd.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.ie&#x2F;intl&#x2F;en&#x2F;chrome&#x2F;webstore&#x2F;apps-gtd.html</a>.<p>&quot;<i>Chrome Apps For Your Desktop</i>&quot;<p>My OSX desktop?.. inside the chrome browser? is my Chromebook my desktop?<p>click around - LAUNCH YOUR APPS : <i>&quot;Chrome Apps have a new Home&quot;</i> - picture of a chromebook. Looks promising. Most of the other links seem to be for Chrome-the-browser though. A few for chrome-the-thing-that-plugs-into-your-TV-I-think.<p><i>&quot;You will need Google Chrome to install most apps&quot;</i><p>WTF is &quot;Chrome&quot; anyway? Here&#x27;s a confusing concept. It feels more like a department than a product line. How is a Chromecast app related to a Chromebook app or a Chrome OS app? What does it have to do with the play store? How do I find out if there is a Chrome OS viber app? What do I google?<p>Another place where Apple is clean is use cases. If you look at magazine-brochures for computer stores the Dells, Acers &amp; Lentos are inconveniently categorized into &quot;recommended for&quot; groups or somesuch. Recommended for email, students, games. The computers don&#x27;t cooperate and I can imagine the conversation before printing these things. &quot;Just Say it&#x27;s like the Acer aspire V3-551 but AMD.&quot; Apple&#x27;s line up categorizes itself.<p>A chromebook is a good &#x27;secondary&#x27; machine. It&#x27;s also *almost&quot; everything Aunt Genie needs (she needs Skype and the kobo bookstore) which is great. She can get an Acer for Skype and the kobo bookstore. It isn&#x27;t a hub. So if you want to download stuff from my camera and put it on your iphone, it&#x27;s a tricky situation.<p>I suspect that if Apple are considering entering into this market with an iOS powered netbook or similar, they are wrestling with the question of where this fits. Is it a hub that can replace OSX for some people or is it a secondary device that expects you to have a hub someplace else. iOS devices are getting more independent of their hubs, so maybe time will moot that problem.<p>I don&#x27;t mean to single out Google. They built a great product. They are looking to solve the problems of the 50% of home users who can&#x27;t handle windows and hate computers and will always buy the cheapest option. Apps came out of nowhere. Most companies are just as bad at this stuff.<p>Marketing requires a surprising level of discipline.
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hmart超过 11 年前
So it&#x27;s worth to buy this computer as a ssh webdev machine?
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knodi超过 11 年前
why would anyone want to buy a chromebook? Price point?
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