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Square Cash

710 点作者 rjsamson超过 11 年前

65 条评论

philfreo超过 11 年前
This is my favorite type of product. Here&#x27;s why:<p>- Take an existing known medium (in this case email) and makes it way more useful.<p>- They didn&#x27;t try to build a bunch of new UI for connecting your Facebook so you can find and invite and pay your friends, paying out to your card, etc.<p>- It magically hides the messiness of an enormously complex problem (fraud, different types of debit cards &amp; banks all over the world) behind a very simple interface.<p>- Unlike every other P2P payment system, I can actually sign up and receive money (or convince my friend to) using <i>only what&#x27;s in my pocket</i> (debit card)... not hunting down ACH&#x2F;wire details.
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Tomdarkness超过 11 年前
This is one area where the US seems to be behind compared to the UK. I am from the UK and that service would look quite poor if it launched over here. We have a system called faster payments service that offers instant (although in some cases up to 2 hours) bank transfers for payments up to £100,000 (can differ between banks). You can use this directly if you share bank account numbers and sort codes but there are also wrappers around FPS like Barclays PingIt that people can register with and use your mobile number instead. There is no fee associated with these services.
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abalone超过 11 年前
The most stunning part of this is the &quot;free&quot; part.<p>The Durbin amendment regulates the cost of debit transactions over the Visa&#x2F;Mastercard network. It&#x27;s $0.22 + 0.05%.<p>Mossberg reports that Square is planning to monetize via &quot;premium options&quot; like international transfers. But still, $0.22+ is a lot to lose every time someone uses your mass-market service.<p>Good thing they raised $341M of VC money.<p>Who said the dot com days aren&#x27;t back??<p>Source: <a href="http://allthingsd.com/20131015/the-money-is-in-the-email/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;allthingsd.com&#x2F;20131015&#x2F;the-money-is-in-the-email&#x2F;</a>
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redthrowaway超过 11 年前
Do Interac email transfers not work in the US? They&#x27;re pretty much the same thing: send money to an email recipient who then clicks a link to deposit it in their account. I&#x27;m surprised that this is big news, and that it seemingly doesn&#x27;t exist down south.
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MBCook超过 11 年前
Note that it takes 1-2 days for the deposit. They must be using ACH to do this. The &#x27;free&#x27; part is great. Even with Square, I&#x27;d be hesitant to enter my debit card number.<p>Planet Money recently did a great episode all about the US&#x27;s ACH system and why it works the way it does.<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/10/04/229224964/episode-489-the-invisible-plumbing-of-our-economy" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;money&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;04&#x2F;229224964&#x2F;episode-...</a>
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jey超过 11 年前
They&#x27;re obviously taking a loss on this (due to credit card fees) if the recipient gets the full amount sent. So this must be a loss-leader that&#x27;s building up to something else where they expect to make a ton of money.<p>That &quot;something&quot; is most likely just &quot;replacing cash and cards&quot;, but will be interesting to see how it plays out. It&#x27;s a bold move regardless.<p>EDIT: I meant debit card transaction fees, not credit card fees.
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rmccue超过 11 年前
Note that this isn&#x27;t available everywhere: <a href="https://squareup.com/help/en-us/article/5136-troubleshoot-square-cash#square-cash-supported-states" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;squareup.com&#x2F;help&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;article&#x2F;5136-troubleshoot-sq...</a><p>(Would have been nice to see this on the actual page rather than hidden in &quot;Troubleshooting&quot;)
sahaskatta超过 11 年前
Hmm neat, however what benefits do I get using this when it&#x27;s also built into Gmail and provided directly by Google Wallet?<p><a href="http://www.google.com/wallet/send-money/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;wallet&#x2F;send-money&#x2F;</a>
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nly超过 11 年前
And composing an email to send someone money is secure how?<p>What stops someone from spoofing my email address, CC&#x27;ing it to cash@square.com, and clearing me out? And if someone does get in to my email account I&#x27;m toast?
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guiambros超过 11 年前
Brilliant solution, but can anyone tell me how they avoid fraud? I just sent money to a friend, and back. It worked fast and flawlessly, as expected. Supposedly money will be posted to my account in 24-48 hours. All good there.<p>Now, how can they make sure that the email is genuine and wasn&#x27;t spoofed? Sure, they can check for white-listed domains and SPF records, but still seems fairly weak process. The FAQ [1] doesn&#x27;t say much either. Human validation is even worse.<p>It helps that the send receives an email confirmation with the transfer, but you may not check the email before the money is posted. I guess they&#x27;re pushing the onus of the proof to the receiver -- after all to receive the money you have to have a bank account and a visa&#x2F;mc debit card.<p>Whatever the security mechanism, it&#x27;s a brilliantly simple solution. If it takes off, it&#x27;ll quickly replace Dwalla and other micropayments.<p>[1] <a href="https://squareup.com/help/en-us/article/5144-square-cash-security" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;squareup.com&#x2F;help&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;article&#x2F;5144-square-cash-sec...</a>
kiddz超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m completely taken back by the simplicity of this + that it&#x27;s free. So many times have I paid a contractor via PayPal as a &quot;friend&quot; to reduce PayPal&#x27;s fees.<p>Moreover, why hasn&#x27;t a bank or credit card company done something like this yet? Amazing how the solution disappears into a cc: address line and unique link in your email.
ytadesse超过 11 年前
The simplicity of this is amazing.<p>That being said, I have a question: Here in Canada, I can send an email transfer of funds from my bank account to my contacts by simply logging into my bank online and specifying the email address of the recipient. Does this type of system exist in the US?
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gizzlon超过 11 年前
Looks like it&#x27;s US only? ZIP code??<p><i>Residents of 48 US states have the ability to send and receive Square Cash. Currently, you&#x27;ll be limited to receiving Square Cash if you live in the following two states..</i>
mrtimo超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve had a debit gift card for 10 months with $35 on it. Just used this to send that money to myself. Awesome.<p>Amazing what you can do with a card number and expiration date. Don&#x27;t loose your debit cards!
dangoor超过 11 年前
It sounds great, but I&#x27;m always left wondering what the angle is for free services. Will they make their money off of float? Is it something to do with the way debit cards are charged?
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downandout超过 11 年前
I just scoured the site and saw no limits for receiving through square cash. I can&#x27;t imagine that this is actually the case; does anyone have any idea what the actual policies are?
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tiziano88超过 11 年前
Reminds me of a similar gmail feature <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/wallet/send-money/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.co.uk&#x2F;wallet&#x2F;send-money&#x2F;</a>
BHSPitMonkey超过 11 年前
Seems a little scary, to be honest. It&#x27;s plausible that malware (or even just somebody physically using your phone or computer for a minute) could generate and perhaps send these emails on a user&#x27;s behalf (and then delete the confirmation and the &quot;sent&quot; copy, depending on the mechanism). If I were ever to use this service, I&#x27;d surely use a dedicated email address that&#x27;s harder for me to casually send mail from.
tmsh超过 11 年前
I was talking to a colleague about how Dwolla implements a similar pay network. I don&#x27;t know Square&#x27;s implementation. It varies with different P2P providers. Some create their own &#x27;rails&#x27; in the backend (PopMoney, etc.). Some follow the &#x27;clearing firm&#x27; &#x2F; brokerage model of the commodities &#x2F; equity markets. They have accounts in all major banks with deposit (debit) accounts and simply do an inner-bank transfer on both ends on your (and your recipient&#x27;s) behalf.<p>That got me thinking though. It&#x27;s 2013. The ideal solution is not to be beholden to any centralized authority or group of &#x27;clearing&#x27; accounts for routing. The ideal solution is security but flexibility and distributiveness. The ideal solution is a network of trust with similar &#x27;hubs&#x27; &#x2F; &#x27;clearing firms&#x27; that one can choose to route through automatically, have all the routing be automated for you via solid protocols.<p>There is the chance to create clusters of payment routing networks that are more elegant. It would make money movement so much more liquid in our world. And would be a really great thing.<p>Maybe Square is the beginning of that solution. I hope it gets even more distributed though. It&#x27;s mostly companies leading the way for this. And good for them. But there&#x27;s another possibility: something very open, but given the right protocols and architecture, very secure.<p>There is no incentive to create such an architecture other than the amazing world that it would mean where you could travel to different countries and authenticate seemless money transactions to whoever had a phone or email endpoint (again there would have to be name servers + some sort of money equivalent of SMTP + TLS &#x2F; chains of trust + distributed clusters of shared &#x27;clearing&#x27; bank accounts + routing algorithms to these accounts, etc.).<p>But that didn&#x27;t stop Tim Berners-Lee or the early internet folks....
cryptoz超过 11 年前
I want to learn more! The Help page is a 404 though: <a href="https://squareup.com/help/en-ca/topic/139" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;squareup.com&#x2F;help&#x2F;en-ca&#x2F;topic&#x2F;139</a><p>What banks does this work with?
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sbirch超过 11 年前
I think they&#x27;ve done something quite clever by (I infer) getting people to join up when they receive money. Venmo puts up an unnecessary wall by requiring that the payee sign up before they can be paid.
SwaroopH超过 11 年前
A point about spoofed email, Square always seems to ask the sender for a confirmation whether the email was spoofed or not. I tested this by sending it legitimately and through an unauthorized email server.<p>The only thing that was concerning was when I sent a spoofed email, the receiver was able to know the sender name (cash account name) – &quot;ABC is about to send you cash&quot;. Very minor but it allows anyone to find out your name provided they know your email address.
zcs超过 11 年前
What are they using to do the animations on the demo site?
verelo超过 11 年前
Yet another US only payment option. I get it, but at least state it somewhere so people like me don&#x27;t get excited and then suddenly disappointed.
k-mcgrady超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t see anything on the site but on Google Play it warns the app can&#x27;t be installed on my Nexus 4 - I take it this is US only?<p>Edit:<p>Looks like it&#x27;s not even available in all states in the US [1]<p>[1] <a href="https://squareup.com/help/en-us/article/5136-troubleshoot-square-cash#square-cash-supported-states" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;squareup.com&#x2F;help&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;article&#x2F;5136-troubleshoot-sq...</a>
charleyma超过 11 年前
Square Cash is definitely some sort of loss-leader, but for what?<p>Most obvious long-run plan would be for user&#x2F;debit card acquisition (which has lower interchange rates) to support their bread and butter business (merchant tools) as this would increase their profit margins by reducing processing expenses, especially since Square simply charges a single rate to merchants...
kgermino超过 11 年前
&gt;Free. Actually Free.<p>Ok now I&#x27;m confused. I realize it&#x27;s probably a marketing ploy, but how could the fees on this not eat them alive?
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Lifesnoozer超过 11 年前
There&#x27;s a similar thing in Sweden, called Swish (<a href="https://www.getswish.se/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.getswish.se&#x2F;</a>). But it&#x27;s a cooperation between banks, and you link it with your phone number, the transfer is instant, you have to identify using something called Bank ID.<p>Square Cash seems nice, but I prefer the approach of Swish.
SeoxyS超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been using Square Cash for a few months, and it&#x27;s worked flawlessly. (A friend used it to send me money, and I jumped on the bandwagon; didn&#x27;t even realize it was pre-release!) Square is attacking the consumer payment market from all angles, and I think it has the potential to become one of the biggest companies of this bubble!
abcd_f超过 11 年前
This needs an out-of-bound verification for the transfers. At the very least, it should confirm every new recipient - &quot;Did you really mean to send $500 to yahoo@google.cc?&quot;<p>Seriously, I am all for the simplicity of the system and the flow of the narration, but where the heck is the explanation of how this is <i>not</i> trivially exploitable?
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chasingtheflow超过 11 年前
I get that this is cool because it doesn&#x27;t require an app or anything to work. But I just don&#x27;t see this replacing venmo for me. Albeit venmo requires a bit of set up (so does this) and an app, but once that&#x27;s in place sending money is quicker and easier and I don&#x27;t have to remember to cc anyone. Thoughts?
ateevchopra超过 11 年前
I really liked the idea. Its really good for all the parents who are not so tech savvy and can send money this easily. And its all free ? I don&#x27;t understand why ? i mean I am not saying that it should be paid of something but being an entrepreneur myself I would love to know how you guys are making money on this.
abvdasker超过 11 年前
Not talking about the product for a moment. There are a lot of not-so-great &quot;flat design&quot; websites out there, but Square Cash&#x27;s is one of the best I&#x27;ve seen. I keep seeing these loud sites with full-width graphics and animations on everything. This is how it should be done. And responsive to boot!
kin超过 11 年前
Interesting, I currently use Venmo, which ties into Facebook accounts so it&#x27;s super easy to find people. But Venmo is only free is you tie your checking account.<p>With this I can tie my debit card (which I guess is the same thing). So, I don&#x27;t seen any real positive benefit over Venmo IMO. Can anyone else point anything out?
pranavpiyush超过 11 年前
This is simply a user acquisition mechanism for the rest of the Square business. They lose money on every transaction.<p>Read this: <a href="http://www.quora.com/Square-Inc-1/What-are-the-details-behind-Square-Cash-P2P-Service" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quora.com&#x2F;Square-Inc-1&#x2F;What-are-the-details-behin...</a>
usaphp超过 11 年前
I think thats an awesome idea, in the current world where the cash is not used as often as before and its hard to just send money to your friend or relative without dealing with long forms, swift codes, routing numbers etc...I am just wondering how did they manage to make it free? Any ideas?
jonheller超过 11 年前
I love and trust Square, but would be extremely hesitant to trust my debit card anywhere online. Someone going on a charging spree with my credit card doesn&#x27;t bother me as much as the thought of someone stealing this number and taking the money directly out of my account.
marcamillion超过 11 年前
Anyone know if this will work with international debit cards?<p>E.g. if I have an debit card with my account at a Jamaican bank, can someone from the US email me cash and it arrives instantly or is this just a US service? Can&#x27;t find any details about this on the site.
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d0m超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t really care about that new feature, but man, I love that background video playing with the animation.. Is there a library to help create that? Seems like it&#x27;s a &lt;video&gt; with some animation css on top of it?
enraged_camel超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m not quite sure how to sign up. When I go to &quot;Account&quot; at the bottom right and enter my email address, it takes me to the purple &quot;how to sign up&quot; section, but it&#x27;s not clear what to do from there.
sami36超过 11 年前
Free. I bite, What&#x27;s the catch ? I presume recruit users to use the Wallet app ?
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keyle超过 11 年前
I cannot believe this is happening. This is extremely cool...<p>But didn&#x27;t we agree that email wasn&#x27;t a safe protocol?... How long do I have to cancel a transaction? Are they going to honor the fake ones like Visa does?...
pradn超过 11 年前
Echoing the other commenters: this is really great, but I&#x27;m a little weirded out because it&#x27;s free. I&#x27;d like for them to be upfront about why it&#x27;s free, since all the alternatives aren&#x27;t.
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bydpark超过 11 年前
This looks pretty interesting, but, as everyone said, security sounds like it will be a huge issue. Will there be other methods of verifying a user for email, now that it can be linked to your bank account?
dalys超过 11 年前
I was just impressed by how the colors of the buttons in the top left corner (when idling at the section with the video background) is synchronized with the color theme of the video background.
AustinLin超过 11 年前
Hands down one of the best interfaces &#x2F; UX I have ever used. It&#x27;s about time someone made sending money really simple and free. Can&#x27;t wait to see how this service matures.
rjsamson超过 11 年前
I remember seeing this talked about a while back and not thinking much of it, but the details look slick. Sending money with no signup required seems pretty awesome.
elwell超过 11 年前
If they are really losing 0.05% + 22¢ every transaction, then Venmo should use Square Cash to make a lot of large transactions, forcing them into bankruptcy.
mallipeddi超过 11 年前
Since the emails are not encrypted, anyone in the middle who&#x27;s capable of scanning this traffic can basically see all the transactions passing by?
unclebucknasty超过 11 年前
In addition to phishing risks noted below, I wonder how many typo squatters will pop up for the cash@square.com cc.
ya超过 11 年前
<a href="http://d.pr/i/oEmN" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;d.pr&#x2F;i&#x2F;oEmN</a> chrome banned the request.
Romoku超过 11 年前
Aren&#x27;t emails sent in plaintext? What are the security and privacy implications of using this service?
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goeric超过 11 年前
Glad they changed it from 50 cents to free. Smart move.<p>They solve this problem with the least amount of friction.
kirk21超过 11 年前
Any idea what mailsystem they use to handle all these mails? Or is it an in-house build system?
electic超过 11 年前
The security here is very very questionable. It is non-existent and that worries me.
aioprisan超过 11 年前
how does the email source verification work? SPF and DKIM checks? any idea how they can credit a debit card? I&#x27;m guessing they rolled out their own solution with a few of the biggest US banks, having accounts at each one?
abhia超过 11 年前
Would this still work if someone used a fake email script?
taigeair超过 11 年前
how do they make money with this? BTW I didn&#x27;t know I could scroll for the longest time! I thought it was an animation.
magico超过 11 年前
It doesn&#x27;t accept British Pounds yet :(
hnriot超过 11 年前
on an aside, what a great website, the background video and colorization all work so well.
tapmap超过 11 年前
what about sending cash to an international debit card? Has anyone tried this?
meonkeys超过 11 年前
Did Square just kill Dwolla?
hipaulshi超过 11 年前
hmm? isn&#x27;t Email address fakable?
meritt超过 11 年前
Seems to work amazingly although I&#x27;m a bit concerned about the security. A friend sent me $1. I get an email from square, link to website where I entered my debit #, expiry and postal. It deposited directly to my debit card (I didnt even know you could do that). The deposit already arrived!<p>&quot;Checking Card Adjustment POS Pin (Credit) $1.00&quot;<p>So I sent him $1 back (to: my friend, cc: cash@square.com, subject: $1). And it instantly sent it to him. I didn&#x27;t have to verify my details or anything.<p>I&#x27;d feel a lot more comfortable if there was a security blog explaining how they are validating that I indeed sent the email and it wasn&#x27;t simply spoofed.<p>Edit - I did this from Gmail which I presume authenticates all of the emails via dkim? I&#x27;m guessing this won&#x27;t work as automatic for other providers?<p>Edit2 - Just attempted with another friend and had to verify manually. The automatic-authorization appears to only apply when it&#x27;s between two previously validated parties.
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maerF0x0超过 11 年前
NSA will start to deposit the cash you send, its just &quot;Metadata&quot;
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