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Why Berlin should not look up to the Valley

80 点作者 urlwolf超过 11 年前

15 条评论

dasil003超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t think the problem is with the Californian model. Silicon Valley knows how to do technology right for its own sake, and every technologist everywhere can learn a lot about how to do technology right by looking at Silicon Valley. Sure there is a gold rush mentality driving media and politics, and there is a lot of greed at play as well. But rich guys in Silicon Valley are no more greedy (and the true technologists among them are probably less greedy) than rich guys everywhere else in the world. The big difference between finance and tech is that deep down at the heart of tech is a natural curiosity and passion for problem solving, whereas finance is fundamentally about arbitrage.<p>In order to take the right lessons from tech&#x27;s failings you need to separate the tech from its social consequences. The fundamental problem with tech is that it kills jobs. It is about seeking greater efficiency in all things. This is why politicians are wrong to try to solve unemployment with tech. It would be great if everyone could move up the food chain in terms of creative and technical work and that tech could create more jobs, but the problem is that by its very nature, the 1% in the tech world will be more efficient than the bottom 90% no matter how much training they receive. 100 great developers will produce better returns than 10000 bad developers. There&#x27;s no way around this fact. Hell, if you have a powerful enough intelligence that was orders of magnitude smarter than the smartest human then it could obsolete developers entirely by being more productive <i>on its own</i> than all the worlds smartest developers.<p>Increased efficiency is theoretically good, but we&#x27;re reaching the point where we don&#x27;t have the social capabilities to cope. We are wired to work, and to need to feel needed, and to feel that we have an upward trajectory in life. These things make it very difficult to cope with the impending unemployment crisis and the environmental consequences of a ballooning disposable culture. Tech is at the very heart of these issues, but Silicon Valley is not the cause of these problems, it&#x27;s just one microcosm of them.
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room271超过 11 年前
A powerful critique. As developers we have the ability to effect profound change. But mostly we funnel our expertise into better advertising solutions.<p>Our industry leaders (Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc.) are all monopolies which pay little tax and employ anti-competitive practices to squeeze out competitors.<p>And few seem concerned with inequality.<p>Let&#x27;s shape our companies towards something better.
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ekurutepe超过 11 年前
As the author states the tech sector does not directly employ Berlin&#x27;s currently unemployed and has to import talent from outside (disclaimer: I&#x27;m such an imported talent into Berlin), it still creates demand for services and increases employment in other sectors as it grows, and gives an option for the city&#x27;s youth to consider the tech sector for their future.<p>However as the author states, the sustainability of the tech sector is very critical, but this not specific for Berlin. Even in the silicon valley there is a trend towards more sustainable growth models as the hundreds of SaaS startups here on HN would testify.<p>Being a really open and relaxed city with a high quality of life, Berlin stands a good chance of attracting talent, allowing them to try out their ideas and hopefully create an IPO or two in the next ten years. I can&#x27;t see why the author categorically dismisses that option.
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sumoward超过 11 年前
Thanks, an erudite contrarian view like this is always stimulating.<p>I had heard about but did not know very much about Mittelstand.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelstand" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mittelstand</a><p>We have lessons to learn from European paradigms as you point out. However I think you are a little harsh on founders, the pursuit of fame may be an issue for a small minority but is hardly a universal issue.
phreeza超过 11 年前
Cached version: <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:of5dj13mn20J:thirdwaveberlin.com/2013/10/week-158/&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=de&amp;strip=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:of5dj13...</a>
zeigor超过 11 年前
Here is a re-post of the blog post: <a href="http://thirdwaveberlin.tumblr.com/post/64289810298/week-note-158" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;thirdwaveberlin.tumblr.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;64289810298&#x2F;week-note...</a><p>Sorry, I wasn&#x27;t prepared for ending up on hacker news. Thanks for the feedback so far, will try to answer to some of the comments soon.
walshemj超过 11 年前
Having now manged to read the article the author does seem to have a chip on his shoulder and is writing this from a distinct political stance making glib remarks like “our spying American friends” doesn’t really help in this context does it.<p>In addition “rich white men” comrade who do you think owns all those Mittelstand companies - Germanys far less diverse than the US or the UK in that regard.<p>Mittelstand is all very well but there are a number of problems with then in that they are very tightly controlled secretive family businesses - there appears to be no worker participation in the ownership of these companies what so ever.<p>Mittelstand companies have also recently benefited immensely from the Euro selling all those Porsche Cayennes to Greece<p>I think possibly German concentration on traditional engineering means there is less hinterland to build tech start-ups from – and I suspect that IT training has been starved as mech and electrical engineering probably played the political game better.
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danmaz74超过 11 年前
This is a really big problem, and I can feel it myself. Now that I&#x27;ve got customers and seed money, should I try to create a sustainable business that grows organically? Or should I move to London - I&#x27;m in Rome now - and try to enter the VC game as soon as possible, as a mentor insists?<p>The sustainable business way appeals a lot to me, but what about the risk that competitors with lots of money crush us just by out-spending us? And what about the ecosystem? But the places with the best ecosystems are very expensive, how can you enter them without VC money?<p>The problem is that there is no proof that the mittelstand model can work for tech startups, while there is proof that the SV model can.
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oscargrouch超过 11 年前
A serious question speacially to the German crowd of this post:<p>Im very interested in alternative cultural models for tech products in the digital age, specially because technology has such a impact in peoples live, and can improve the quality of life of everybody in so meaningful ways..<p>So, where can i find more about the Mittelstand? is there some discussions about it somewhere? is there any group trying to think new models that contrary to the status quo can create a virtuous cicle in the whole community and not only for a particular group of privilege?<p>I am very interested at this, and as a Brazilian i keep an eye in what Europe are doing, and how they are thinking , since they are not taking the SV model for granted, and just repeating.. but trying to get a new meaning out of it, without forget its own cultural values.. (at least it was what i feel and are confirming by reading the posts from the german fellows)<p>Im asking this, because is that what im trying to do too.. I dont want to just launch what i have in hands in the current model.. i think we can do better.. so im interested in all movements over this topic.<p>Note: im specially interested in social groups, and less in literature about it.. as i think this is still in formation.. and new cultural models(if any) are in its infancy
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Tichy超过 11 年前
Can&#x27;t open the article right now, but here is one question I have that might fit: hasn&#x27;t Sillicon Valley actually started in the middle of nowhere? These days the saying is to go there because that is where the investors with the money are. But the money is there now because some people succeeded with their factories built in the countryside?<p>Here in Germany there are also quite a few towns that are built around one big company, for example Wolfsburg for VW.<p>No doubt Berlin is attractive at the moment, but the things that make it attractive are quickly disappearing - cheap cost of living, lots of empty buildings, lots of diverse culture.<p>I for one don&#x27;t look forward to the living conditions of the valley, where people have to share rooms at extremely high costs just to be able to be there. It seems very ironic that while it is presumably one of the richest places on earth, the valley sounds like a horrible place to live in.
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mrflett超过 11 年前
The author is correct. After attending a recent JS conference I didn&#x27;t notice any of the hartz IV people there but just a bunch of exiles from other tech cities who had moved to berlin for something exotic. Unfortunately this will mean a direct copy of silicon valley as all the people moving here to create the tech boom know nothing else to copy. Would be good if the tech here was a focused on solving real world problems instead of creating the next latest and greatest advertising model...
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triplesec超过 11 年前
Site down, cached text version: <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://thirdwaveberlin.com/2013/10/week-158/&amp;strip=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:http:&#x2F;&#x2F;...</a>
oscargrouch超过 11 年前
I cant open this link, the domain name cannot be resolved :(<p>$ nslookup thirdwaveberlin.com<p>&gt; Non-authoritative answer: <i></i>* Can&#x27;t find thirdwaveberlin.com: No answer
jessaustin超过 11 年前
<i>Tech is the new finance industry.</i><p>That would be a good thing, right?
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oscargrouch超过 11 年前
In simple (and sad) words:<p>There is no passion anymore