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Andrew Kim: Minimal to the max

103 点作者 sheikhimran01超过 11 年前

18 条评论

blhack超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve said this before: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4195909" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=4195909</a><p>and I&#x27;ll say it again: if you want to do something, do it.<p>A great story I heard recently:<p>A old comedian is talking to a younger, struggling, perhaps up-and-coming comedian. The young comedian is frustrated because he isn&#x27;t finding the work that he wants (writing), and is bitter about &quot;the business&quot;.<p>The old comedian asks<p>&quot;So, lets say some famous person wants to hire you for $10,000 a week to just write funny tweets for them. Do you think you&#x27;d be able to do it? Come up with something really funny for them every day to post to twitter?&quot;<p>&quot;For $10,000 a week?&quot;<p>&quot;Yeah&quot;<p>&quot;Yeah, sure, for that much money I&#x27;m sure I could write something funny for them every day.&quot;<p>&quot;Well then why won&#x27;t you do it for yourself?&quot;<p>It is so, so true. I know so many programmers and designers who insist that they want to work either in tech, or in design, yet if you ask them what they&#x27;re working on, they respond that nobody has hired them yet.<p>--<p>The story was on this episode: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWH-8v_x68Y" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vWH-8v_x68Y</a><p>Of the Joe Rogan podcast.
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mcphilip超过 11 年前
Now that Kim has a job at Microsoft, a read through of the discussion of the original presentation without this context could be interesting:<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4195208" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=4195208</a>
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MrZongle2超过 11 年前
&quot;When it was his turn, Kim took a deep breath, stood next to the large computer monitor he’d hauled into class, and started his presentation. It didn’t include a single Popsicle.&quot;<p>The article goes on about how this was a &quot;thinking outside of the box&quot; move and how it illustrates Kim&#x27;s brilliance.<p>I don&#x27;t know Kim&#x27;s work. I&#x27;m going to assume that he&#x27;s a talented guy, and perhaps the criticism that follows is better suited for the author, who chose to include it in the article. But this particular anecdote screams &quot;fail!&quot; to me, for one single reason: <i>he was tasked with coming up a popsicle redesign.</i> That was his deliverable, and his instructor was his client.<p>If I ask a designer to come up with a new design for the rainboots I&#x27;ll be manufacturing, I don&#x27;t want them to tell me how I can manufacture umbrellas or inform my customers about the weather so they don&#x27;t need rainboots -- <i>unless I&#x27;ve included that possibility in the scope of my request</i>.
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bbx超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s very common for designers to showcase their skills by publishing a redesign of a famous brand or product.<p>What&#x27;s less common is for one of these projects to become widely exposed and get recognition. The main reason is that a redesign is usually received with a lot of criticism (&quot;He doesn&#x27;t know what he&#x27;s talking about&quot; or &quot;It&#x27;s not that simple to launch a redesign in a big company&quot; or &quot;It looks good but it&#x27;s unusable&quot; or even &quot;I could do better&quot;).<p>Such designers usually end up forgotten as quickly as they got famous, for good or bad reasons.<p>So, I&#x27;m quite pleased to see one of these unexpected talents hit the spotlight. Having a post dedicated to you published on the Microsoft website is far from being insignificant, on both sides. The designer gains exposure and confidence, and Microsoft proves its desire to remain innovative and open to new ideas (and criticism).<p>Will this spawn an era of similar projects to be published by young designers? Maybe it won&#x27;t, maybe it already has. For example, a designer published a concept for the IMDb iOS7 app [1]. It looks good actually.<p>What&#x27;s in for the designer? He has fun, he may get exposure, and it can land him a job.<p>What&#x27;s in for the companies being rebranded? It&#x27;s free publicity and free work, but it&#x27;s based upon criticism.<p>I can&#x27;t tell if such a redesign trend is viable in the long term. It&#x27;s like those marketplaces where companies launch a $50 offer for their logo. Tons of designers will participate but only one will eventually be picked. It&#x27;s hundreds of work hours wasted. And what about professional designers who have a hard time finding clients and need to compete with those ridiculous prices?<p>I&#x27;m thinking about designers at Microsoft, IMDB, or American Airlines, how they end up looking with all these projects.<p>A young designer publishing a rebranding concept on his blog may think it&#x27;s benign, and actually a good way to get exposure, but it can harm the market and his fellow designers as well.<p>If you focus on the big picture, it&#x27;s a worldwide competition that can only lead to a global increase in quality. Maybe that&#x27;s what the internet, or should I say the web, is about. Having a unified pool of talent that will value your skills regardless of your origin, age, or experience. I&#x27;m a designer myself, and I find it both amazing and terrifying.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.behance.net/gallery/IMDb-The-New-iOS-7-App/10711893" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.behance.net&#x2F;gallery&#x2F;IMDb-The-New-iOS-7-App&#x2F;107118...</a>
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Jemaclus超过 11 年前
I must be missing something. While the rebrand thing is cool, how does it relate to popsicles? Wasn&#x27;t the assignment to redesign the Popsicle?<p>I can&#x27;t seem to make the connection between Popsicle and Microsoft, unless you want to go with the metaphor that Microsoft is frozen still while the rest of the competition seems to be moving on. Help?
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gum_ina_package超过 11 年前
I love his A New Microsoft presentation when it came out, and I&#x27;m thrilled he&#x27;s making an impact inside the company today.
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aresant超过 11 年前
How to market your design firm &#x2F; you as a designer:<p>a) Be a good designer.<p>b) Passionately redesign objects that people use every day. Kim did cell phones, Coca-Cola bottles and voting ballots before ringing the &quot;all of the internet&quot; bell w&#x2F;his Windows redesign (1).<p>c) Show people the work and fire it off to blogs along with a pre-baked headline &quot;15 year old redesigns beautiful flip phone&quot;.<p>I remember watching 37signals employ this exact strategy years ago before they found their SAAS niche redesigning &quot;a bank&quot;, FedEx, and others.<p>In fact their initial SAAS audience grew largely out of the design community that followed their blog.<p>Dustin Curtis&#x27;s redesign of American Airlines is another fun example (3)<p>(1) <a href="http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2010/7/11/htc-1.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.minimallyminimal.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;7&#x2F;11&#x2F;htc-1.html</a> <a href="http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2010/3/15/ecocoke.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.minimallyminimal.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;3&#x2F;15&#x2F;ecocoke.html</a> <a href="http://www.minimallyminimal.com/blog/america-elect" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.minimallyminimal.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;america-elect</a><p>(2) <a href="http://37signals.com/better.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;37signals.com&#x2F;better.php</a><p>(3) <a href="http://dustincurtis.com/dear_american_airlines.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dustincurtis.com&#x2F;dear_american_airlines.html</a>
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sheikhimran01超过 11 年前
I believe that microsoft&#x27;s design of minimal and flat UI is revolutionizing designs today. You can see Google, Apple and every other startup going with flat UI.
nchlswu超过 11 年前
I still find the whole premise of the popsicle and redesigning microsoft - with zero parallels to a popsicle as presented - hard to grasp. But if it worked for him that&#x27;s all that matters.<p>His design work aside (which is very strong and that I respect), I&#x27;m more impressed and intrigued about how he&#x27;s leveraged the internet as a platform for his work. It reminds me of Dustin Curtis (although Kim lacks some of the disdain Dustin&#x27;s managed to acccrue). And while he is very talented, it&#x27;s not like there aren&#x27;t designers out there with a similar talent level. Kim&#x27;s managed to create a following and more importantly for him generate a demand for his work.<p>Microsoft&#x27;s interest in pushing him on a page like this demonstrates the brand value Kim&#x27;s accrued and is quite intriguing.
jrnkntl超过 11 年前
Kim is also an outstanding reviewer of all kinds of gadgets (phones, headphones, cars, camera&#x27;s, heck, even coffee grinders) paired with great photography -&gt; <a href="http://minimallyminimal.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;minimallyminimal.com</a>
cpher超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m not trying to be overly harsh, but have I completely lost touch? Somewhere between the strange page layout and the poor copy, I lost track of what Mr. Kim was supposed to be doing. It went from popsicle redesign (cool, my kids will love this!), to &quot;let&#x27;s rebrand a software company&#x27;s message&quot; (awww.). Huh? How is this thinking outside the box? Why not design a new feminine hygiene product while you&#x27;re at it. Will that impress your pain-in-the-ass professor?<p>If I were the professor and my job was to prepare students for the &quot;real world&quot;, you know, that place where you actually have to make money, he would get an &quot;F-&quot;. Even Rodney Dangerfield would have passed with an F+.<p>I&#x27;m sure Mr. Kim is super smart (smarter than me for sure), but what on earth made this MS marketing material HN-worthy? A book-smart 20-ish-year-old has somehow stumbled onto a saving marketing angle for Microsoft?! Kudos for him, that&#x27;s superior self-marketing. But what a load of complete bullshit.
exo_duz超过 11 年前
Good luck to Kim. I really liked his simplicity redesign of the Microsoft brand. Looking forward to more of his stuff in the future!
ddedden超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m a big fan of Kim&#x27;s concept work and read his blog regularly, as I think that his insight and designs are top notch.<p>That said, it&#x27;ll be very interesting to see how his talent will be used. I wonder if it will just be industrial&#x2F;hardware design or if he&#x27;ll be designing UI&#x27;s. I think that he&#x27;s better suited for the former.
mentos超过 11 年前
I wonder what would come of Microsoft putting out a $1 million offer for a new logo&#x2F;brand with an entry fee of $10 and the requirement that each submitter must sort 10 other submissions in preference at some later date?
revelation超过 11 年前
Quick, exploit the recruit for a good social media splash before the heavy behemoth gets to crushing his spirit.
codereflection超过 11 年前
Not too long ago I was wondering what ever happened to this guy once Microsoft scooped him up... now we know.
NKCSS超过 11 年前
Wow, haven&#x27;t seen this design&#x2F;layout on the msft site yet; I really like it!
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rob05c超过 11 年前
It sounds like Microsoft is trying to market him as the next Jonathan Ive. Which is not to say he isn&#x27;t.
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