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25 years ago this week, the Morris Worm brought the Internet to its knees

159 点作者 binarybits超过 11 年前

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ChuckMcM超过 11 年前
Also, like a toddler, the Internet&#x27;s knees were closer to the ground than they are today :-)<p>I was at Sun at the time and it was an interesting story but you could have completely disconnected Sun from the &quot;internet&quot; (which was being serviced at the time by a single T-1 line, 1.544Mbps baby!) for two or three days and it wouldn&#x27;t have been the end of the world, and it would not have cut into sales. Due to some better configuration defaults, the impact of the worm on Sun was minimal.
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corin_超过 11 年前
<i>&quot;We didn&#x27;t believe that Morris intended to cause harm or damage,&quot; Rasch says. In his view, Morris was &quot;motivated mainly by curiosity and by a desire to show that he could do it.&quot;<p>On the other hand, the Justice Department worried that &quot;if the government treated this as a misdemeanor, a trivial offense, that others would go out and do it,&quot; Rasch said. &quot;You had conduct that was planned, premeditated, that was deliberate, over periods of months, that caused massive disruption and expense to a wide number of different individuals.&quot; That required a response, the government believed.<p>So Morris was charged with a single felony count. Rasch says Morris could have been charged with a separate felony for each of the thousands of computers the worm infected. But the lawyer and his colleagues believed that would be overkill. &quot;I don&#x27;t believe that you over-prosecute someone to send a message,&quot; Rasch says. &quot;I don&#x27;t believe in the head-on-a-stake theory of prosecution.&quot;</i><p>----<p>Is that not a contradiction, he seems to be saying that they chose felony over misdemeanor not because of him but to set an example, then goes on to say that they don&#x27;t do that sort of thing?
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azov超过 11 年前
I like how they spin it in Robert Morris profile on the YC page: &quot;<i>In 1988 his discovery of buffer overflow first brought the Internet to the attention of the general public.</i>&quot; (<a href="http://ycombinator.com/people.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ycombinator.com&#x2F;people.html</a>)
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m0nastic超过 11 年前
For what it&#x27;s worth, the prosecutor in this case (Mark) is the former coworker who I&#x27;ve mentioned on here a few times as having prosecuted the FBI case against my dad (small world).<p>It is a little disconcerting to wonder that if the same case happened today, would it result in a katamari of charges meant to steamroll RTM?
makerops超过 11 年前
If you are interested in this type of stuff, this is a good, free book:<p><a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4686" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gutenberg.org&#x2F;ebooks&#x2F;4686</a><p>&quot;Underground: Hacking, madness and obsession on the electronic frontier&quot;
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jere超过 11 年前
Definitely an interesting story. One connection I never made before was that 1) the worm gave computer security a shot in the arm and 2) Morris&#x27;s father was a computer security expert. I&#x27;m sure it&#x27;s completely unrelated, but an interesting coincidence.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morris_(cryptographer)" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robert_Morris_(cryptographer)</a>
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NAFV_P超过 11 年前
<i>Curiosity killed the code-monkey</i><p>Sorry I had to have a peak, I think this is where you can find the source code for the worm:<p><a href="http://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/doc/morris_worm/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ftp.cerias.purdue.edu&#x2F;pub&#x2F;doc&#x2F;morris_worm&#x2F;</a><p>The first thing I noticed is it&#x27;s written in K&amp;R C, the ANSI standard came a year later.
DanBC超过 11 年前
The RTM worm had a 350 word dictionary. I wonder how much damage could be done with the same 350 word dictionary today?<p>There&#x27;s an analysis that got posted to HN here <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5302924" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5302924</a>
ProAm超过 11 年前
Is this the same Paul Graham or just a coincidence?
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Jare超过 11 年前
I remember as a freshman in college, only armed with my knowledge of game programming in Z80&#x2F;M68K assembly (no idea of Unix or internet beyond Usenet), finding out about this shortly after it happened, printing everything I could about it, and reading these pages over and over as if it was the most amazing technothriller ever written. Files that still exist after you delete them? Executable content in email headers?<p>It&#x27;s probably the single most fascinating event in my personal history with computers.
msh超过 11 年前
Is this why HN is unstable, somebody is trying to take revenge on the 25th anniversary. ;)
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codezero超过 11 年前
I really miss finger. It was quite a novelty.
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read超过 11 年前
<i>The worm could have been much more virulent had the author been more experienced or less rushed in his coding</i><p>It&#x27;s a common misconception things go viral due to some sort of premeditative planning &quot;over a period of months&quot;. New ideas start fledgling, because that&#x27;s what it means for ideas to be new. They don&#x27;t have concrete form in the beginning. Even the person having them can&#x27;t tell what they can lead to.<p>Rushing the worm was crucial in making it work. It was more important to see if it had any chance of working. It couldn&#x27;t have happened had Morris not been rushed, opening doors to a new research field and medium to the general public.<p>Who could have simulated that?
mindcrime超过 11 年前
Interesting that the main character in the movie <i>Hackers</i> - Dade Murphy - may well have been inspired, at least in part, on the Morris Worm story. I&#x27;ve never heard any official commentary to this effect, but it seems plausible.<p><i>The defendant, Dade Murphy, who calls himself &quot;Zero Cool&quot;, has repeatedly committed criminal acts of a malicious nature. This defendant possesses a superior intelligence, which he uses to a destructive and antisocial end. His computer virus crashed one thousand five hundred and seven computer systems, including Wall Street trading systems, single handedly causing a seven point drop in the New York Stock Market</i>
jmervin超过 11 年前
25 years, no way!<p>The SUN workstation-wielding guy in the lab next door to me got hit by this, though we were unscathed. Periodically you could hear him yelling through the wall.<p>Amusingly (in hindsight), I had recently cleaned up a bunch of virus-choked PCs in some student labs and because of this fell under departmental suspicion (very briefly) of having something to do with these new problems. From then on I left such thankless scut work to someone else.<p>Another interesting -though brief- account appears in the epilogue of Cliff Stoll&#x27;s &quot;Cuckoo&#x27;s Egg&quot; (itself a classic tale from the early Internet days).
andyjohnson0超过 11 年前
I was an intern at IBM at the time, at a site that was fortunate to have internet access. I remember people being annoyed because the security people severed all internet gateways.<p>A good technical article is &quot;With Microscope and Tweezers: An Analysis of the Internet Virus of November 1988&quot; [1] which was published soonafter.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.mit.edu/people/eichin/virus/main.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mit.edu&#x2F;people&#x2F;eichin&#x2F;virus&#x2F;main.html</a>
kfcm超过 11 年前
Where have the years gone?<p>All I&#x27;ll say is, I was &quot;there&quot; (meaning affected).<p>It was also amusing watching the news reports at the time. I remember one of the nightly &quot;world news&quot; shows (ABC, iirc) having it right up front and the anchor and reporter trudging their way through the story, trying to explain this &quot;Internet&quot; thing.
pvnick超过 11 年前
Having been born the same year as this worm&#x27;s release, I love reading about these moments in internet history. When I read that Paul Graham and Morris later went on to found Y-Combinator (why didn&#x27;t I know that already?) I was so excited I shouted at my computer.
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jacobkg超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s probably worth mentioning that Morris is now a mild mannered (and talented) MIT professor in the Computer Science department. The word on the street was that he did _not_ want to talk about this chapter of his life.
baudehlo超过 11 年前
And many years later we had email viruses bringing the internet to its knees, notably the LoveBug virus which we were the first to stop at MessageLabs.<p>Now it&#x27;s all just DDoS. Far scarier, and a lot less fun.
michaelstewart超过 11 年前
Interesting how the journalist&#x27;s name is Timothy B. Lee.
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mappum超过 11 年前
Does this mean YC will start accepting malicious startups? Something like a marketplace for 0days?
xpop2027超过 11 年前
Great read
amerika_blog超过 11 年前
I agree he deserves a pardon. A lot of law and public acts seem to be &quot;signaling,&quot; e.g. it&#x27;s OK to do this and not-OK to do that. Temporarily coming down hard on someone to signal that people should NOT do what he did is OK; it makes equal sense, once the threat has passed (and that specific one has been replaced by new threats), to pardon the person and recognize they were made an example of -- for good reason at the time, but no longer.<p>Contrast this to what they wanted to do to the hackers in the Slatella&#x2F;Quitner book.