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The Driverless Car Revolution Should Not Begin with Cars

41 点作者 perspectivezoom超过 11 年前

18 条评论

kposehn超过 11 年前
&gt; Compared to driverless cars, driverless trucking is technically way simpler. When going from one warehouse in a sparsely populated area to a another warehouse in a similarly sparsly populated area, there’s a lot less that can go wrong.<p>Not quite. Long haul trucking has far more things to go wrong than a short jaunt from two packed urban spots to another. A lot goes wrong on these trips. Flat tires, accidents, bad weather and - of course - other drivers.<p>Case in point: a long haul truck from Oakland to Chicago has to tackle Donner Pass, the Wasatch, Sherman hill (the Wyoming continental divide) and then finally gets a flat stretch across the Great Plains.<p>I would counter that the best start is short-haul intermodal: trucks that pick up a container and haul it to an intermodal rail yard, and so on. Those trucks have to deal with a short route and much fewer potential problems.
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protomyth超过 11 年前
&gt; Compared to driverless cars, driverless trucking is technically way simpler<p>This person has never driven a truck or a bus[1]. The amount of stuff that can go wrong in a truck or bus, plus the amount of damage an error would cause is well above a car.<p>I think the whole driverless car should have started with smaller-than-car vehicles. I wish they had started with simple package delivery vehicles[2] and learned from them.<p>1) I did have a bus license in my poorly spent youth<p>2) something like <a href="http://badgerlandminitrucks.com/specs.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;badgerlandminitrucks.com&#x2F;specs.htm</a> but smaller. Vehicle drives to A, texts, accepts cargo and payment, leaves for B, texts person at B, B verifies ID, door opens, vehicles goes to next site - probably work OK in a city
rickdale超过 11 年前
The only flaw I see with beginning with semi-trucks is the perception of driverless cars to the masses and the potential damage a driverless semi-truck accident could incur vs a driverless Prius or something smaller. Not saying there won&#x27;t be a market for it in the trucking business, but seems smart to start on the smaller cars just for the sake of perceived safety.
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ams6110超过 11 年前
Any time I read these utopian pieces about the driverless car nirvana that is around the corner I roll my eyes. If there&#x27;s anything we should learn from history it&#x27;s that nothing is as simple as it seems, especially if it&#x27;s something we want.<p>There will be unforeseen technical issues that are not apparent with a single test car or even small numbers of test cars. There will be accidents, and we&#x27;ll have lawsuits against Google or other manufacturers. Those will have to play out, so we figure out who is really liable when a driverless car crashes. Trial lawyers will flock to these like sharks to a bleeding fish.<p>We may get to a point where driverless cars are safer than human-operated cars, and are accepted by the public. I think it&#x27;s at least 50 years away.
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ape4超过 11 年前
Rio Tinto Deploys Driverless Trucks <a href="http://www.driverlesscarhq.com/rio-tinto-deploys-driverless-trucks/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.driverlesscarhq.com&#x2F;rio-tinto-deploys-driverless-...</a>
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zck超过 11 年前
I think what will come first is driverless <i>subway</i> cars. They&#x27;ve already had this in some places (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_driverless_trains" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_driverless_trains</a>), but they&#x27;re just replacing a regularly-scheduled human-driven train with one without a driver.<p>But think about what can happen if you have a system designed to not require a driver at each subway car. You can have smaller cars, called on demand. You don&#x27;t need to wait for the next car to come. This is especially a benefit during late night hours, when you might have a subway come only every 20 or 30 minutes. This is made worse if you need to transfer.<p>Once you get cars running along existing lines with small cars, you can <i>eliminate subway lines entirely</i>. Just hop in a subway car, tell it where to go, and it gets you there. No transfers, no thinking of the best lines to take, just get in a car and it&#x27;ll drop you off at your end location. It would eliminate taxis for many people, which would be one of the reasons this plan would create controversy. Also controversial is elimination of conducting jobs.<p>I see a few reasons replacing subways will work better than trying to replace cars:<p>* One organization already owns all the infrastructure for a subway: they can just choose to replace it, and get the laws written for themselves.<p>* Rails mean you don&#x27;t have to worry as much about steering, or cars next to you turning into you.
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fvrghl超过 11 年前
I totally agree that driverless trucks are the future, but I don&#x27;t think it will come easy. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters is one of the largest unions in North America, and one of the most politically powerful. I think that they will fight this with everything they have to keep humans getting paychecks.
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graylights超过 11 年前
Driverless trucks is a real opportunity that could save a lot of money in shipping.<p>But it could be exploited. If a person walks out in front of a truck, the automated truck better stop. Which an unguarded truck would become easy to rob with little risk. A flat tire would mean the truck calls in for help and is stranded defenseless on the side of the road. That said a fair amount of loss could probably be absorbed with the savings.<p>I expect long haul truck drivers instead to turn into truck captains. They&#x27;re present but not for the driving. The truck can drive through the night while they sleep. The captain will handle weigh-ins, emergencies and other road tasks.
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simonebrunozzi超过 11 年前
Since 2010, I keep saying that Singapore (nation state, in this case) will be the first &quot;city&quot; (with at least one million people) to adopt driverless cars in a short span of time. I would even accept bets :)<p>Municipalities with a lot of freedom will follow suit. I don&#x27;t know if american cities will have an easy time fighting with unions, conservatives, taxi drivers, real estate owners.<p>Why real estate owners? Because once transportation gets optimized, &quot;hot&quot; areas of the city will cool down in prices, compared to other parts of the city.
panic超过 11 年前
Why does it have to be a driverless car revolution? It seems more likely we&#x27;ll get there incrementally, adding pieces of the experience one by one as safety features. Eventually, with all the safety features enabled, the car will be able to drive itself.
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gojomo超过 11 年前
A problem with trucks as the leading-edge is that they&#x27;re already a bit alien to the public and policymakers: resented in traffic, feared out of proportion to actual risks, underappreciated as some narrow corporate&#x2F;union interest. If they&#x27;re the test case, enthusiasm will be lower, regulation more costly&#x2F;cautious, and the public vaguely suspicious, primed to assume the worst when anything goes wrong.
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dpe82超过 11 年前
&gt; There are significantly fewer one way streets, fewer bicyclists, fewer pedestrians. The directions will be simpler on average.<p>While that may indeed be true on average, the real challenge in developing production-level driverless tech is properly handling the edge cases. Just because a vehicle may not often have to deal with bicyclists doesn&#x27;t mean it never has to deal with them.
tlb超过 11 年前
The major benefit of self-driving isn&#x27;t saving the costs of a driver&#x27;s salary, it&#x27;s reducing accidents. Commercial truck drivers are skilled and alert, so it&#x27;s hard to be safer than them. Average commuters are distracted and accident-prone, so you can reduce accidents with near-future technology.
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mindslight超过 11 年前
Alternatively, instead of trying for heavier vehicles with longer hauls, what about something like citywide pizza&#x2F;package delivery? You&#x27;ve no need for passenger safety, so the size and weight of the vehicle can be brought way down. Speed could also remain relatively low, mitigated by the fact that deliveries could be dispatched immediately rather than aggregating trips. Not that a person getting hit by a 400lb vehicle at 20mph is a laughing experience, but accident damages would be mitigated and an emergency stop-everything would actually be feasible.
joshuaellinger超过 11 年前
I was in the bay area recently and got stuck on 101 driving from Google to GoodData in downtown SF....<p>It made me think that the place to start is the car pool lanes on 101.<p>Just close them off to humans. Instead, make them available to driverless cars with one addition -- a driverless on-top tow truck.<p>You drive your existing car on it. Type a destination in on your phone and press GO. It dumps you an one of several exit points.<p>Ideally, you&#x27;d do this with rail instead of roads but that changes it from a tech problem (mostly) for an infrastructure problem (mostly).
busterarm超过 11 年前
As much as I&#x27;d like to read more of this article, the choice of font makes it pretty unreadable.
exit超过 11 年前
has anyone looked into what effect the driveless car revolution will have on the labor market?<p>i&#x27;m not a luddite. i&#x27;m just curious how many people will be affected professionally.
MIT_Hacker超过 11 年前
I giggled a little bit too much on this pun<p>[4] &quot;Who will drive adoption?&quot;