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Time to end the war against saturated fat?

43 点作者 kareemm超过 11 年前

12 条评论

dragonshed超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s several decades past due.<p>Robert Lustig, quoted in the article, gave a fantasticly informative talk which hit youtube a few years back, which explains the folly of the low-fat diet. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=dBnniua6-oM</a>
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berrypicker超过 11 年前
I think a bigger war to end is that against carbs. The paleo diet trend has gotten out of hand, everybody&#x27;s afraid to touch bread now. There&#x27;s evidence both on a large scale (population wide - there are countries like Italy where carbs are abundant in the diet, and others where fats are more common) and in controlled studies, that your carb-calorie to fat-calorie intake ratio makes little difference to your overall health as long as you&#x27;re getting both, along with protein.<p>Yet we have a group of people focusing religiously on minimizing carb intake and preaching to everyone about it. Am I seriously going to live an extra 20 years of youth if I don&#x27;t eat delicious sandwiches for lunch?
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nanexcool超过 11 年前
This is anecdotal, but I&#x27;ve now lost 20 kg with a ketogenic diet. Started at 110 kg, I now weigh 90 kg after 5 months. I&#x27;ve complemented the diet with a regular amount of exercise (mostly running).<p>If anyone is interested, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/keto" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;keto</a> has a nice community of ketoers.
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trevvvor超过 11 年前
it&#x27;s interesting to watch the saturated fat debunking come into mainstream media. Most people who are deep into food research (I don&#x27;t like to say &quot;nutrition&quot; because it&#x27;s such a loaded term now) reading many modern studies, books, and blog posts, already know that saturated fat is good and healthy. Both the comments here and on that article show a good deal of naysayers, and how powerful public opinion is.<p>These doubters seem to have the most basic &quot;common knowledge&quot; explanation of saturated fat: Sat.fat raises cholesterol, and cholesterol clogs your arteries, and clogged arteries lead to heart disease. If you think this chain is how your body works, you should know that it isn&#x27;t nearly the entire story, and not accurate.<p>50% of every cell membrane in your body is saturated fat. Your body produces 75% of the cholesterol that it NEEDS to operate, the rest comes from diet. Why does your body produce cholesterol and what is its purpose? That would be a good research starting point if you are still anti sat.fat.<p>Of course, you shouldn&#x27;t trust articles on science reporting. You shouldn&#x27;t trust me. You should read studies and analyze them yourself. You might be pleasantly surprised by what you find.
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yetanotherphd超过 11 年前
Before jumping to conclusions based on an opinion piece of one researcher, I would suggest looking at the article<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat_and_cardiovascular_disease_controversy" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Saturated_fat_and_cardiovascula...</a>
michaellosee超过 11 年前
+1 for keto. The wife and I have lost 20 lbs each in the last 3 months.
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KVFinn超过 11 年前
I think it is well established that you are better off with saturated fat and cholesterol heavy foods if it means no longer being obese. Since compliance with any diet is so important, it probably is healthier for people in general to not worry about saturated fat and worry more about sugars and carbs and keeping weight in check. But that doesn&#x27;t mean saturated fat in your diet is an ideal you should aim for.<p>I&#x27;m partial to this explanation:<p><a href="http://www.mprize.org/blogs/archives/2010/01/hi_dr_feinman_a.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mprize.org&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2010&#x2F;01&#x2F;hi_dr_feinman_a...</a><p>&gt;What I think we&#x27;re seeing is exactly the divergence within these populations that you know: that carb is really rather bad for overweight, insulin-sensitive people, such that replacing it even with SFA is relatively harmless -- whereas for lean, insulin-sensitive people, SFA (and dietary cholesterol, its fellow-traveller in omnivorous diets) is likely more <i>relatively</i> harmful, because carb is less able to derange the metabolism. We have to remember that any time we look at these studies and see only modest or borderline-significant effects: 66% of the US population is overweight, and half of that majority is obeese; Europe is somewhat better-off, at 49.8% and 13.3% in men and 36.0 &amp; 13.5% in women per MONICA. So the deleterious effects of any nutrient with a differential effect on low-BMI, insulin-sensitive people will tend to be blunted by the much larger number of people for whom such effects are blunted by their &quot;larger&quot; problem.<p>&gt;It also means that the deleterious effects of a rise in SFA intake are at least temporarily outweighed if it is is part of a dietary shift into a lower-carb diet when it is successfully used for weight loss (as opposed to just being a person&#x27;s self-selected default diet, which of course is what&#x27;s going on in teh studies in Jakobsen and in the Swedish, Greek, and US Nurses low-carb&#x2F;high-protein studies). But it&#x27;s reasonably clear that if you&#x27;re insulin-sensitive -- which, interestingly, is what one is likely to become after losing weight on a successful low-carb weight-loss diet! -- the effects of SFA become more <i>relatively</i> harmful as teh deleterious effects of carb recede.<p>&gt;t the end of the day, we have to go with what we&#x27;ve got. Until we get a couple of thousand healthy twenty-year-olds locked up in metabolic wards for sixty years or so for a really vigorous diet trial, I think saturated fat AND carbs (especially starchy carbs) stand out as things to reduce in the diet, in exchange for vegetables, fruit, lean protein, and PUFA (and probably MUFA) as things to maintain or increase. And most people should lose weight!
hiroaki超过 11 年前
Comment thread from last week: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6623205" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6623205</a>
gabemart超过 11 年前
Saturated fat intake has been suggested by some studies to be positively correlated with cancer risk [1]. I don&#x27;t have an opinion on the quality of the evidence, but it&#x27;s worth considering. The article doesn&#x27;t appear to mention cancer risk at all.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Cancer" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Saturated_fat#Cancer</a>
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Nilzor超过 11 年前
tl;dr: we don&#x27;t know shit about the human body.
ars超过 11 年前
And government lunch programs want to serve only low fat milk <a href="http://frac.org/highlights-healthy-hunger-free-kids-act-of-2010/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;frac.org&#x2F;highlights-healthy-hunger-free-kids-act-of-2...</a><p>We give government too much power. Parents should decide what kind of milk their kids should drink. Or let the kid decide.
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autarch超过 11 年前
Yes, I take all my health advice from newspaper articles summarizing single journal articles.