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Super Soaker creator awarded $72.9M from Hasbro

183 点作者 shill超过 11 年前

11 条评论

rdw超过 11 年前
What&#x27;s interesting to me about this story in light of current events is that Johnson Research and Development Co., seems in many ways like an NPE. He doesn&#x27;t make products directly, he simply licenses the patents to other companies that do make the products, and sometimes sues them.<p>Obviously, he&#x27;s not a patent troll, but what&#x27;s the bright line between what he does and what a patent troll does? This is a critical question in the patent troll discussion, because it is absolutely the case that every Intellectual Ventures, Lodsys, and Rockstar thinks of themselves as being innovative inventors like Lonnie Johnson. They&#x27;ll hold independent inventors like him up whenever legislation is proposed and say that it&#x27;ll hurt good old-fashioned American invention, and maybe they&#x27;ll even be right.<p>It&#x27;s critical that there be a clear division there, or else reform will never go through, or worse, end up hurting actual inventors. How can that line be drawn?
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meritt超过 11 年前
HN should start having a &quot;hacker of the week&quot; or something, notable people to admire and inspire. We could start with Lonnie Johnson.
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reneherse超过 11 年前
Ha, awesome to know that the Super Soaker came from such a brilliant inventor and businessman! Lots of good memories with those things...<p>As a kid I hacked my own extra powerful version using a bicycle frame pump, soda bottles, pvc pipe, copper tubing and brass valves, and ruled the neighborhood &quot;battlefield&quot; for a summer :)
danso超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m sure much has been written about the inventor, Lonnie Johnson, already, but if he were a young kid today -- or, perhaps, had more coverage for inventing a billion dollar toy -- he&#x27;d be as revered as Elon Musk by HN, for being both a rich entrepreneur and an esteemed hacker. From the OP:<p>&gt; <i>Johnson, a nuclear engineer, Tuskegee University Ph.D. and former NASA scientist, founded his company in 1989. It was the same year he first licensed the Super Soaker, which generated more than $200 million in retail sales two years later, the company said. The toy was licensed to Larami Corp., which was later purchased by Hasbro.</i><p>&gt; <i>Johnson holds more than 80 patents, with more than 20 pending, the company said, which said sales of the Super Soaker have approached nearly $1 billion.</i><p>&gt; <i>As an Alabama high school senior, Johnson finished building a remote-controlled robot with a reel-to-reel tape player for a brain and jukebox solenoids controlling its pneumatic limbs, according to a 2008 profile in the Atlanta Journal Constitution.</i><p>edit: This 2001 NYT profile is even more fascinating:<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/31/science/engineer-at-play-lonnie-johnson-rocket-science-served-up-soggy.html?pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2001&#x2F;07&#x2F;31&#x2F;science&#x2F;engineer-at-play-l...</a><p>&gt; <i>In the late 1970&#x27;s, he worked at the Air Force Weapons Laboratory in Albuquerque, overseeing the safety of projects involving space nuclear power.</i><p>&gt; <i>In 1979, he moved to California and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, an aerospace mecca.</i><p>&gt; <i>There his nuclear skills helped integrate an atomic power plant into Galileo, a $1.6 billion spacecraft destined to study Jupiter and its 16 moons. It needed an atomic battery because sunlight would be too weak there to power solar panels.</i><p>&gt; <i>David M. Durham, a spacecraft engineer at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, recalled that Mr. Johnson was known not only for professional excellence but for testing his wife&#x27;s patience with his moonlighting.</i><p>&gt; <i>&#x27;&#x27;At one point, his wife nearly threw him out of the house because all he did was tinker,&#x27;&#x27; he said. After minor successes with inventions, he added, Mr. Johnson finally &#x27;&#x27;came up with one that allowed him to no longer have to work for anybody.&#x27;&#x27;</i><p>&gt; <i>It happened in 1982 while Mr. Johnson was working at home on a new kind of cooling device. At that time, refrigerators often used Freon, a gas that destroys the earth&#x27;s ozone layer. He envisioned one that ran on water. It would not only be efficient but would also be environmentally friendly.</i>
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kanamekun超过 11 年前
Was curious how the Super Soaker worked, and came across this great summary from How Stuff Works:<p><a href="http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/water-blaster3.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;entertainment.howstuffworks.com&#x2F;water-blaster3.htm</a> <a href="http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/water-blaster4.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;entertainment.howstuffworks.com&#x2F;water-blaster4.htm</a>
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URSpider94超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s very interesting that everyone appears to unanimously agree that Johnson is not a patent troll, but it&#x27;s hard to figure out exactly why.<p>People said it&#x27;s because he made a legitimate product. From what I can see, Johnson Research and Development Co. never shipped a single Super Soaker -- 100% of their revenue is from licensing.<p>People said it&#x27;s because he had a licensing agreement first. What if Larami had refused to sign a licensing agreement with him in the first place, ripped off his design, and he&#x27;d had to resort to a suit to get paid?<p>People said that it&#x27;s because Hasbro explicitly used his design as a starting point. What if they invented their own water guns after seeing his prototype at a trade show, and then thumbed their nose at him? What if they &quot;independently&quot; invented their own water gun without seeing his? If you&#x27;re telling me that there&#x27;s a difference between these two cases, then you&#x27;re saying that the courts need to determine intent and foreknowledge. What if someone from Hasbro was at the trade show where he exhibited, but just claimed not to have seen his booth? What if he had approached Hasbro for a license, and they claimed that their internal team was not aware of those discussions?<p>People said it&#x27;s because he is the original inventor. What if he&#x27;d despaired of ever beating Hasbro in court and licensed his patent to Acacia so that they could go after Hasbro?<p>Finally, people are saying that the problem is that the inventions of patent trolls are &quot;obvious&quot;. Is putting a battery-powered pump in a water gun a non-obvious invention worthy of patent protection? Batteries, pumps and water guns all existed before this -- what&#x27;s the innovation here?
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moocowduckquack超过 11 年前
I hope it helps him build his JTEC thingy - <a href="http://www.parc.com/event/713/high-efficiency-solid-state-engine.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.parc.com&#x2F;event&#x2F;713&#x2F;high-efficiency-solid-state-en...</a>
bstar77超过 11 年前
This story seems very similar to the universal wrench story here: <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/MadeInAmerica/wrench-inventor-claims-sears-stole-idea-china/story?id=17720122" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;abcnews.go.com&#x2F;US&#x2F;MadeInAmerica&#x2F;wrench-inventor-claim...</a><p>It seems to be a disturbing trend where large companies get into business agreements with small time inventors, then do everything possible to screw them out of royalties by creating cheap knock-off products with trivial differences.
kamjam超过 11 年前
<i>Johnson also wanted the court to force Hasbro to open its books to determine sales of Super Soaker products from 2006 to 20012.</i><p>That&#x27;s a lot of sales they&#x27;re disputing :-p
pjmorris超过 11 年前
I remember first seeing a Super Soaker in a Toys &#x27;R Us sometime in 1991 (I think), and thinking &#x27;That&#x27;s genius&#x27;. I&#x27;m glad to know the guy who made it &#x27;got paid&#x27;.
siculars超过 11 年前
Who do these corporate conglomerates think they are by trying to con inventors from their due? This happens all too often. These corporations love to lord their patents over everyone else but refuse to pay up when it is clear they not only have a legal obligation, but a moral one as well.<p>Note, Robert Kearns, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kearns" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robert_Kearns</a>.