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Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

650 点作者 shill超过 11 年前

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AlexanderDhoore超过 11 年前
I really, really hope the culture of leaking information becomes so strong that governments will become incapable of keeping anything a secret. That would give me some hope for the future.<p>Anyone that leaks information is a fucking hero.<p>Edit: Stop attacking me personally. I&#x27;m talking about the government&#x27;s privacy here, not mine (nor anyone else&#x27;s). I actually think my privacy will improve if this becomes a reality.
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pvnick超过 11 年前
This revelation proves Wikileaks is stil alive and relevant. I hope they see a renewed jolt of donations and interest. This is the organization of heroes that helped get Snowden to safety.<p>Also, I&#x27;m getting sick and tired of our &quot;leaders&quot; attempting to legislate free speech and intellectual property in secret through anti-democratic means. It&#x27;s disgusting.<p>Edit: second paragraph
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nikcub超过 11 年前
The content isn&#x27;t interesting[1] because bilateral free trade agreements are public[0], and having the USA force partners into accepting patent enforcement, copyright laws like the DMCA etc. are well known<p>What is a little interesting is the negotiations and diplomacy at work. You can see how each country is trying to further its own position and interest. Looking at this version of the document, it is impossible to see how a compromise will be reached since there are so many areas that are at complete opposite viewpoints - but you know that in a few weeks time an agreement will be announced as one side or another gives way (guess which!), and the public are nonethewiser.<p>Some are really good at watering things down, eg.<p>&gt; The Parties shall endeavour to [US&#x2F;SG propose: cooperate] [US oppose: establish a framework for cooperation] among their respective patent offices to facilitate<p>You can see already that they don&#x27;t intend to cooperate. Establishing a framework? what the hell does that even mean ..<p>You can now see that Australia, Singapore and Mexico are on Team USA when it comes to copyright terms (Australia opposed it during the FTA negotiations), everybody else opposes, but they will eventually have to come around on this:<p>&gt; [NZ&#x2F;BN&#x2F;MY&#x2F;VN&#x2F;CA&#x2F;JP propose; US&#x2F;AU&#x2F;SG&#x2F;MX oppose: The term of protection of a work, performance or phonogram shall be determined according to each Party&#x27;s domestic law and the international agreements to which each Party is a party.]<p>[0] Here is USA - Australia: <a href="http://www.ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/australian-fta/final-text" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ustr.gov&#x2F;trade-agreements&#x2F;free-trade-agreements&#x2F;a...</a><p>Here is NAFTA - <a href="https://www.nafta-sec-alena.org/Default.aspx?tabid=97&amp;language=en-US" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nafta-sec-alena.org&#x2F;Default.aspx?tabid=97&amp;langua...</a><p>[1] It might not be interesting because we have seen a lot of this in completed deals previously, but it is very important. The USA enforces its business interest laws such as patent and copyright terms onto recipients of &quot;free trade&quot; agreements, in exchange for getting access to the non-protected part of their domestic market. This is why US laws are so important to the rest of the world, because we end up having to adopt them (this is what modern imperialism looks like).
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husein10超过 11 年前
I think it&#x27;s absurd that these negotiations were shrouded in such secrecy in the first place. These rules, if implemented, will have a massive impact on how the global economy will work. Yet, the public, who will end up living under the yoke of these rules, not only has very little direct input into the process but didn&#x27;t (until today) even have a clear view of what rules were being considered.<p>I don&#x27;t see how one can have a modern democracy if rules are made in what was (before the leak) a black box.<p>Hopefully this will lead to more transparency for these types of negotiations in the future. Leaking&#x2F;spreading this leaked information should help show those with political power that this type of closed door process is not going to be palatable to a connected and informed public.<p>These types of international agreements tend to stick around for a long time once they are implemented. So, expending energy on the front end to get a more balanced agreement that works for everyone impacted, not just those with an invitation to sit at the table, will save a lot of trouble later on.
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ksrm超过 11 年前
&gt;[US propose; AU&#x2F;NZ&#x2F;VN&#x2F;BN&#x2F;CL&#x2F;PE&#x2F;MY&#x2F;SG&#x2F;CA&#x2F;MX oppose: shall make patents available for inventions for the following] [NZ&#x2F;CL&#x2F;PE&#x2F;MY&#x2F;AU&#x2F;VN&#x2F;BN&#x2F;SG&#x2F;CA&#x2F;MX propose: may also exclude from patentability]:<p>Made me laugh. You&#x27;re on your own there, USA.
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shmerl超过 11 年前
Note how some propose more proper approach of not applying anticircumvention restrictions on non infringing usage, while others oppose it. It&#x27;s good that Wikileaks now published this with demonstrating opinions of the participants as well.<p><i>&gt; [CA oppose: noninfringing uses [SG oppose: of a work, performance, or phonogram] in a particular class of works, [SG oppose: performances, or phonograms] when an actual or likely adverse impact on those noninfringing uses [CL propose: or exceptions or limitations to copyright or related rights with respect to users] is [PE oppose: credibly demonstrated] [PE propose: found] [CL propose: demonstrated or recognized] in a legislative or administrative review or proceeding [SG oppose: by substantial evidence]; provided that [AU&#x2F;PE oppose: any limitation or exception adopted in reliance upon this clause shall have effect for a renewable period of not more than three [SG propose: four] years] [AU&#x2F;PE propose: any such review or proceeding is conducted at least once every four years] from the date of conclusion of such review or proceeding.]</i><p>The bottom line, they want to create some kind of DMCA 1201 clone as was expected. Now hopefully there will be more chances to stop this beast.
anigbrowl超过 11 年前
The title is slightly misleading. They&#x27;ve only released the IP chapter - presumably because they figure the content will annoy hacktivists. I personally want to know about the whole thing, since agricultural tariffs, labor conditions, visa rules and the like seem to me at least as important as IP matters.
NamTaf超过 11 年前
The AU government has previously stayed neutral&#x2F;supportive of our high court ruling that ISPs are included under &#x27;safe harbour&#x27; clauses and that they carry common-carrier status, in that they provide a service but do not have to police what that service is used for. In specific, they are not the police when it comes to online piracy and do not have to block websites, disconnect users, etc. iiNet won a hard-fought legal battle to get that ruling and it was used as precedence to basically stop the US IP lobby groups exerting pressure on AU businesses to conform to something our laws didn&#x27;t even support.<p>Now it&#x27;s become apparent from this that the government wants to throw all of that under the bus and is supporting transcontinental IP laws that are almost entirely in US interests and serve to screw over our citizens and go against high court rulings. All to be a lap dog to the US and appease their taskmasters.<p>I have nothing but hatred for our government for conducting themselves in such a miserable, self-serving sense.
sdoering超过 11 年前
Older version on HN:<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6725046" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6725046</a>
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mrspeaker超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s fun seeing how important lil&#x27; old words can be!<p><pre><code> Each party shall provide [VN: oppose adequate and effective] [VN propose: appropriate] remedies against the registration trafficking</code></pre>
JackFr超过 11 年前
Am I the only one who is bothered by the fact that wikileaks isn&#x27;t actually a wiki?
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sker超过 11 年前
Wikileaks again messing up the world&#x27;s economy and putting lives at risk. Won&#x27;t somebody shut them down?<p>On a more serious note, wasn&#x27;t there a reward if they got their hands on this leak?<p>Also, as a mexican, it sucks that we&#x27;re part of this treaty. So far Mexico has been a lawless wild west with regards to copyright enforcement.
danbruc超过 11 年前
What the hell is going on? Secret negotiations about trading policies? What is the legitimation for doing this in secrecy? When did the people lose their right to know what their government is doing?
aferreira超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m actually more interested in the US-EU negotiations, I wonder how long that one&#x27;s going to take :)
trendoid超过 11 年前
good overview and relevant links at reddit : <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1qj6xd/wikileaks_releases_the_secret_negotiated_draft/cddbt55" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;worldnews&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1qj6xd&#x2F;wikileaks_...</a><p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1qj6xd/wikileaks_releases_the_secret_negotiated_draft/cddc5sq" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;worldnews&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1qj6xd&#x2F;wikileaks_...</a><p>Aaron Swartz turned in his grave.
stevengg超过 11 年前
Any good overviews of this leak yet?
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mtgx超过 11 年前
Here&#x27;s an explanation for some of the more dangerous stuff in it:<p><a href="http://keionline.org/node/1825" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;keionline.org&#x2F;node&#x2F;1825</a><p>By the way, they intend to maintain unlocking phones or other devices illegal with TPP. It&#x27;s just that now it will extend to a lot more countries.
lettergram超过 11 年前
Seems to me this may have just been given to Wikileaks directly from the government. The language seems a bit simpler than most trade agreements I have read (though to be fair I have only read 3 or 4).
contingencies超过 11 年前
The negotiation of this has been known for some time. I submitted an objection to the Wikimedia ethics board when I found out that at the same time this agreement was under negotiation, Wikimedia Indonesia was hosting an event in the US embassy sponsored &#x27;American Cultural Center&#x27; (or similar) in Jakarta.<p>As a long term Wikimedia contributor, I expected at least a response. I received nothing.
gesman超过 11 年前
Would be great if someone to summarize this bloat of gibberish in human readable bullet-points format...
mankypro超过 11 年前
The President...shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur... Constitution of the United States, Art. II, Sec. 2
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shmerl超过 11 年前
Detailed analysis: <a href="http://www.keionline.org/node/1825" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.keionline.org&#x2F;node&#x2F;1825</a>
s369610超过 11 年前
interesting search: &quot;[US propose&quot;.
shmerl超过 11 年前
At last.