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How To Bid For Cost Per Click Campaigns

113 点作者 ezl超过 11 年前

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ariwilson超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m surprised this article didn&#x27;t mention Google&#x27;s Bid Simulator, which allows you to see a very good estimate for the number of clicks you can receive for a given keyword&#x2F;creative pair (or adgroup, campaign) at bids you&#x27;re currently not using:<p><a href="https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/2470105?hl=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;adwords&#x2F;answer&#x2F;2470105?hl=en</a><p>More speculatively, Keyword Planner allows you to add a bunch of keywords with bids to your account and see what kind of traffic you might expect:<p><a href="https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/2999770?hl=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;adwords&#x2F;answer&#x2F;2999770?hl=en</a><p>Obviously this is less accurate since you don&#x27;t have a lot of account history with these keywords, you haven&#x27;t selected creatives yet, etc.<p>Disclaimer: I&#x27;ve worked a bit on all of these tools.
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JeffL超过 11 年前
Bout 4 years ago, I was spending about $4000&#x2F;mo on Adwords, with some nice results. About 2% CTR on the ads, most of which were banner ads on the content network, average about 20 cents PPC. About 50% of the people clicking on the ad would download our game. About 25% of the people downloading the game would run it+create a character. About 5% of those who ran it would eventually pay a monthly subscription. About a $35 customer acquisition cost, and I basically put all free cash into Adwords. Only thing that slowed it down was an average time of 3 months between joining the game and becoming a paying subscriber.<p>Fast forward to about a year or two ago, every metric for traffic from Adwords has plummeted. CTR&#x27;s are 0.5%. Percent of people who hit the landing page and download are less than 1%. Percent of people who download and run the game to character creation is about 10%. Percent of people from Google who end up ever paying anything is near 0%. The cost of customer acquisition via Adwords has basically approached infinity, and I&#x27;ve basically stopped using Adwords altogether. Nothing I&#x27;ve done has seemed to get things right for Adword traffic, and that includes following all the advice from them. Meanwhile, traffic from Reddit converts just fine, there just isn&#x27;t that much traffic from Reddit available.<p>Anyone else have experience while a huge degradation of the &quot;quality&quot; of traffic from Adwords? I&#x27;m at the point that this article mentions where no amount of bid manipulation can make PPC advertising via Google profitable.
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petenixey超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve only run a couple of CPC campaigns but even as a reasonably clued up and very technical person I struggle to understand what&#x27;s going on.<p>Is there software out there that effectively closes the loop between adwords and analytics and help me optimise my search through keyword and bid-space?<p>I would expect the system to work by letting me &quot;seed&quot; it with a few search terms and adverts, set in the acceptable margin per product and then let it search the space to find the optimal keyword portfolio and bid-amounts. Does this exist?<p><i></i>EDIT<i></i><p>As some commenters have pointed out, there are lots of bits of software out there that do this. However they all have either a snake-oil feel or a snake-oil feel combined with an enterprise price point. Is there an &quot;Optimizely for adwords&quot;? It all seems far too difficult at the moment.
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blazespin超过 11 年前
This is a simplification of the problem. The issue with CPC bidding is that you&#x27;re in a dynamic marketplace with competitors entering into it everyday. Maximizing profit is rarely what you want to do. Sometimes you want to bid before the maxima (to avoid encouraging competitors to bid it up), sometimes you want to bid after the maxima (to acquire customers before your competitors do).<p>It also assumes there is only one smooth curve that goes up to a maxima and then down again. In reality, there are local maximas that are worth considering.
qeorge超过 11 年前
Don&#x27;t forget to segment your visitors by their CPC bid!<p>You&#x27;d be surprised how differently a visitor who clicked through to your site from the first ad spot behaves compared to visitor who comes from the 7th or 8th ad spot. For one thing, people who are clicking the lower ads tend to be more price conscious!<p>So if you have e.g., $20 per day to spend, it might be better to buy 5 clicks at $4 each than 20 clicks at $1. You could very well convert half of the expensive clicks and none of the cheap ones!
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gk1超过 11 年前
All of this is correct, but there&#x27;s a monster hiding behind this paragraph:<p>&gt; &quot;It’s probable that unoptimized ads&#x2F;landing pages will show that a lot of keywords have NO profitable bid opportunities. By improving conversion rate, quality score, ad copy, or any number of things, it’s possible to change the shape of the ad keyword profit curve, which necessitates recalibrating the keyword bid.&quot;<p>Your bid is just one of many factors that affect your cost-per-click and cost-per-conversion. When you&#x27;re optimizing only a single variable you&#x27;re only climbing the nearest hill, not the nearby peak. And climbing that little hill can cost you thousands of dollars in test campaigns.
jmotion超过 11 年前
One thing I&#x27;ll tell you.. never ask for the Google support teams help: all they tell you to do is bid more. It&#x27;s almost as if they&#x27;re on commission. Google PPC is slowly becoming more and more expensive - and Google are slowly putting more and more adverts on the site.
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jamiesonbecker超过 11 年前
I developed a system called Ad-Curve that helps you crunch the numbers.<p>(I&#x27;m working on a better explanation, but in the interim check out the &quot;Mendoza Pottery&quot; case study which walks through the calculations.)<p>It&#x27;s really handy at doing things like crunching whether or not you&#x27;ll lose money with a given CTR, for instance, and also contains an explanation and suggestions for most of the key variables.<p>Too bad it doesn&#x27;t write headlines for you, too :) <a href="http://ad-curve.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ad-curve.com</a><p>Email me directly (jamieson <i>at</i> ad-curve.com) if you have any questions
manuelflara超过 11 年前
As someone with barely no knowledge of AdWords, I found this very interesting. Does anyone know of any software that helps automate &#x2F; efficiently manage AdWords campaigns? I read a few years ago about this startup created by ex-Googlers that did just this, but apparently even before launching (or shortly after that) was bought by either Google or Twitter, not sure. Damn shame that never actually came out. Anyone remember which company I&#x27;m talking about?
annon超过 11 年前
This article does a good job of covering the basics of bidding, but most of these things should be obvious. In performance marketing, the goal is to know how much money you are going to make for a given visitor before that visitor enters your site. Then, you can use any number of bidding models to reach maximum profit.<p>What is really lacking here, is that Adwords is not just a basic auction system. If I have a Max CPC of $1.00, and you have a Max CPC of $0.85, it is not certain that I am going to be at a higher ad space than you.<p>There are a number of variables that Google takes in to account to determine the order of placements in an auction, and it obfuscates all these variables in to something called a &#x27;Quality Score&#x27;, which publicly operates on a integer scale of 1-10. Google uses the quality score to manipulate auctions to perform better for google, not the advertiser. Here&#x27;s some of the most important factors:<p>CTR: If you&#x27;re holding down position one, but nobody is clicking your ad, google is not making money. Just like you as a performance marketer, Google is not trying to get the maximum profit per individual click. They are trying to get the maximum volume of profitable clicks. One key here is to not just dip your toe in to a keyword. If you overbid (usually to a loss) out of the gate, you will get substantial volume faster, thus giving you a better CTR and a higher quality score. Once you have solidified your position in the auction, you can then ratchet down your bid to a profitable level.<p>Page Relevancy: It is important that your landing page is relevant to both the keyword you are bidding on, as well as your ad copy that you displayed. Google AdsBot will index your landing page using algorithms similar to it&#x27;s organic bot. Page load time is a major factor here as well. This is google playing the long tail. They want to make sure that whoever clicked on the ad is happy with the experience they get on the landing page, so that they will in the future click on more ads. If a user keeps ending up on junk pages, they are less likely to click on ads or use google in the future.<p>Account History: This is in my opinion, one of the most frustrating parts of adwords, and it&#x27;s impact seems to vary wildly from vertical to vertical. The age of your account and ads can play a major role in how much you are paying. How much of an impact? I&#x27;ve seen ads that are 3-4 years old cost $1-2&#x2F;click, and an entirely new account at a new company cost upwards of $10-15&#x2F;click on the same keyword. The more volatile the space, the bigger the disparity is. There is very little information out there about how&#x2F;why this is, but here is my theory: The majority of people using adwords at scale are using it entirely for performance marketing. As such, if you get knocked out of a top position on a high volume keyword, it can have a significant effect to your bottom line. If a company has consistently been on a keyword spending money every day for 2-3 years, you would assume that they are going to stay there if they keep their position. If you allow a newcomer to come in and spend to a loss for a while, disrupting the positions of established players, there is not a guarantee that the established player will ever recover on that keyword. And since this new player has been spending so much, they can&#x27;t afford to keep operating and have closed up shop. The net effect is less money for google. Again, this comes more in to play in volatile markets, but is straight up market manipulation.<p>----<p>As far as questions regarding technology to optimize SEM is concerned, Google has mostly prevented this from happening by having one of the worst API&#x27;s I have ever worked with. They will make marginal changes and sunset the old version after only a couple months. Many of their practices seem somewhat openly hostile to developers working with their API. While being good performance marketers, data is our friend. We want as much of it as we can get. Google, however, wants us to only have just enough information to keep spending money. It is not their goal for you to have a 100% optimized campaign. They know there are junk queries that are worth less, and want you to keep blending those in with those that are performing, so that they can make more money.<p>Anybody that&#x27;s curious about their tech should take a look in to what it takes to build something that uses the Adwords API. The fact that they can have such an awful API and tools for something that makes 70%+ of their revenue is amazing.
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eloff超过 11 年前
Reminds me of a story from Robert Kiyosaki. A best selling book and a best written book are two completely different things. If the goal is to make money, then you want the first one. It applies equally to software. As engineers I think we have a natural aversion to the dirty business of marketing, but if your goal is profitability it&#x27;s even more important than having the best code. Just look at MongoDB for example, they&#x27;re great at selling. But, in my opinion anyway, their product is inferior to some of the alternatives. That&#x27;s not to say a great product shouldn&#x27;t be your focus, but how you sell it is every bit as important (more so in most cases.)
bemmu超过 11 年前
...<p>500 clicks * 5% CR * $10 Conversion Value – 500 clicks * $.25 CPC = 125.00<p>750 clicks * 5% CR * $10 Conversion Value – 750 clicks * $.375 CPC = 93.75<p>...<p>This list made it seem like bidding higher makes all clicks more expensive. Would bidding $.375 CPC not also get you those 500 clicks @ $.25 CPC that you were getting before?<p>I was under the impression that your bid is the highest you are willing to pay, so you should bid up to your earnings per click.
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Pitarou超过 11 年前
This is a basic application of the ideas in the first week of a microeconomics 101 course.<p>Maybe I&#x27;m being an arrogant dick, but if you don&#x27;t already intuitively get this stuff, you really should not get involved in any kind of business that depends for its success on adwords, A&#x2F;B testing, customer segmentation, and so on.