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US and UK struck secret deal to allow NSA to 'unmask' Britons' personal data

196 点作者 shill超过 11 年前

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shn超过 11 年前
There&#x27;s no democracy only a shadow of it. We are pushed and shoved and most of the time did it ourselves voluntarily after listening patriotic brainwashing. We are ruled by elites, by big money, period. Worse is some really think that they own the country. I remember in a movie (can&#x27;t remember now) a guy asks Matt Damon, Italians has this, that owns this, what you own? And he answers &quot;we own the country&quot;. Those NSA people think exactly that way, they think they own you. Big companies think they can bend any rule. So don&#x27;t expect anything change much for the benefit of the &quot;taxpayer&quot;.<p>I find it extremely weird that these agencies need to hide what they are doing. Why do it in secret if this is democracy? What is wrong with what they are doing if they are not harming people? Gathering intelligence is their job, we need it. Bogeys know that too. But still they need to do it in secret. Then there must be something wrong with not what they do, but what they do with it.
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andy_ppp超过 11 年前
At this point you can&#x27;t trust the government to even bother to lie to you; just a no comment, as if it&#x27;s none of your fucking business. Carry on eating twinkles and let us protect you from The Bad Guys.<p>Wasn&#x27;t there a time when people accepted the risk of random terrorism as being small, but worth it for our freedoms? I &#x27;d prefer that over &quot;trust me we&#x27;re doing this for your (our?) own good&quot;.<p>At this point you can&#x27;t trust the government.
prawn超过 11 年前
Fiveyesia. Effectively operating as one bloc when it comes to security and domination; at war with whatever parts of Eastasia or Eurasia seem threatening. And the security of that bloc trumps the personal rights of any of its members who aren&#x27;t wealthy enough to dictate the maintenance of power.
contingencies超过 11 年前
Snowden&#x27;s NSA leaks truly are the gift that keeps on giving.
brianbarker超过 11 年前
The new revelations on this NSA stuff aren&#x27;t surprising; the theme has been set and now we&#x27;re just thinking, &quot;yeah, no surprise there.&quot;
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summerdown2超过 11 年前
At least in the Uk, there seems no democratic lever to adjust to change this. I don&#x27;t know of a single national party that wants to roll back the surveillance.<p>Following Russel Brand&#x27;s interview about why there&#x27;s no point in voting:<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/05/russell-brand-democratic-system-newsnight" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;commentisfree&#x2F;2013&#x2F;nov&#x2F;05&#x2F;russell...</a><p>... all parts of the establishment rallied around, saying how people had fought for years for the right, and how important it was in a democracy:<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ignore-russell-brand-vote-and-make-mps-notice-you-says-think-tank-8930949.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independent.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk&#x2F;politics&#x2F;ignore-russell...</a><p><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/05/opinion/liu-not-voting-for-suckers/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;05&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;liu-not-voting-for...</a><p><a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/10/russell-brand-robert-webb-choosing-vote-most-british-kind-revolution-there" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newstatesman.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;russell-brand-robert-web...</a><p>... but really, what&#x27;s the point? I know there are big differences between the parties, and that voting will make a difference. But so many of the places where their policies are identical are the ones I care about.<p>I wish this post wasn&#x27;t coming from a place of deep frustration, but the only way I can imagine this working is as described by Daniel Ellsberg, where learning top secret knowledge changes people:<p>&quot;... it will have become very hard for you to learn from anybody who doesn&#x27;t have these clearances. Because you&#x27;ll be thinking as you listen to them: &#x27;What would this man be telling me if he knew what I know? Would he be giving me the same advice, or would it totally change his predictions and recommendations?&#x27; And that mental exercise is so torturous that after a while you give it up and just stop listening. I&#x27;ve seen this with my superiors, my colleagues....and with myself.<p>&quot;You will deal with a person who doesn&#x27;t have those clearances only from the point of view of what you want him to believe and what impression you want him to go away with, since you&#x27;ll have to lie carefully to him about what you know. In effect, you will have to manipulate him. You&#x27;ll give up trying to assess what he has to say. The danger is, you&#x27;ll become something like a moron. You&#x27;ll become incapable of learning from most people in the world, no matter how much experience they may have in their particular areas that may be much greater than yours.&quot;<p><a href="http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/02/daniel-ellsberg-limitations-knowledge" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.motherjones.com&#x2F;kevin-drum&#x2F;2010&#x2F;02&#x2F;daniel-ellsberg-...</a><p>But if politicians always believe they know better on this subject, what does that say about democracy? And how does this line up with the same people happily admitting they don&#x27;t understand modern technology?
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Eye_of_Mordor超过 11 年前
I think we&#x27;re almost at the point where we all live in this secret state reading the same media and suffering the same banks. It doesn&#x27;t matter what country you live in or who you vote for - the results are the same. People fought and died for this &#x27;democracy&#x27; 70 years ago and it&#x27;s rotten to the core. Every time I see a politician, I&#x27;m looking at a loser, someone who is useless and not part of my life at all. Just a mouthpiece of a failed state.
veganarchocap超过 11 年前
I would normally make better points and comments on articles like this, but all I have left to say on this is: What a bunch of utter cunts.