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NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software

155 点作者 cyberviewer超过 11 年前

10 条评论

malandrew超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s stories like this that make me wish we had the term &quot;national security&quot; as narrowly defined as the term &quot;treason&quot;.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if many of America&#x27;s largest corporations most often present their corporate interests as national security interests when they are lobbying our politicians.<p>Looking at that map, we need to be asking questions about where so many of those &quot;implants&quot; are located. I&#x27;m not surprised by all the little yellow dots covering China and Russia, But what are they doing littered all over Latin America (except Venezuela and Cuba). I would like to here the justification for considering Brazil a national security threat. Same for the red dots in places like Spain, Portugal and France.<p>The only national security threat in Brazil AFAIK is the Comando Vermelho[0], which operates out of Rio de Janeiro. And even then, only a few of the criminal organization leaders in Brazil tenuously relevant to US national security interests, such as Fernandinho Beira Mar[1].<p>The only way to justify the extent of such offensive implants is if we are using a definition of &quot;national security&quot; that is overly broad.<p>The only conclusion I can come to is that we&#x27;ve effectively waging a war against the rest of the World without an act of Congress declaring such a war.<p>[0] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comando_Vermelho" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Comando_Vermelho</a><p>[1] IIRC, FBM is responsible for supplying a lot of the advanced Russian-made arms to the FARC. Even then the FARC is only a national security interest of the US because of our completely failed war on drugs.
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javert超过 11 年前
As an American, I feel like my country is actually putting me in long-term danger. The government is making America and Americans enemies of the <i>entire</i> world.<p>If and when I ultimately have to feel the country, will I even be accepted into anywhere else?<p>What if they are suspicious that I work for the NSA? Or what if they just decide to treat Americans the way the US treats would-be immigrants to the US now--no, you can&#x27;t come in?
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tptacek超过 11 年前
We don&#x27;t need the Snowden disclosures to know this; it has for 15 years been the worst kept secret in computer security. People from the various groups in NSA that do this work talk about having done it on Twitter. Some of the smartest people in vulnerability research came from stints in NSA.<p>Be outraged that we&#x27;re spying on your country if that makes you feel better, I guess. I&#x27;d rather nobody spied on each other either. But it is intellectually dishonest to pretend that people are just now discovering that NSA was breaking into computers around the world. That is literally the <i>charter</i> of the NSA. It&#x27;s why they exist at all. There isn&#x27;t even a pretense of a different purpose for the organization.
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dragonbonheur超过 11 年前
Don&#x27;t people usually get to spend decades in prison for that? Shouldn&#x27;t justice be the same for the NSA as it was for Kevin Mitnick?
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belorn超过 11 年前
What would happen if NSA mistakenly targets a nuclear reactor, and a bug in the malicious software caused a meltdown.<p>Is that a declaration of war, similar to a US launching a nuke? Would US be liable, and under what jurisdiction? Could the US President be put under Interpool arrest warrant, charged as an terrorist?<p>Sabotage, especially when the target can not be fully verified, is a dangerous game. IP addresses are easily mistakenly taken as identity, even if proxying is the number one method to evade detection.
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bediger4000超过 11 年前
So, the 250 lb gorilla in the room: Linux, or Windows or ...?<p>Seriously, I&#x27;d like to know. I mean it&#x27;s probably Windows for all the usual reasons (incomparable installed base, lots of attack surface, active exploit community, MSFT gives exploits to NSA before publishing), but what if it isn&#x27;t? What if all this is done by Cisco IOS?
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imd23超过 11 年前
Is it me or with NSA entities power we do not live in democracy anymore? They can manipulate everything, from google results, voice, emails to the actuals votes.
balabaster超过 11 年前
what pisses me off most about this is that if you, Joe Public does it, it&#x27;s illegal and if you get caught, you&#x27;re arrested and charged for computer fraud, espionage or whatever else they can pin on you. But it&#x27;s fine for them to do the same thing. The hypocrisy is disgraceful.
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d0ugie超过 11 年前
On one hand I can see how this looks bad (along with all the other revelations), but you&#x27;ve got to admit, for the taxes we&#x27;ve been paying, it&#x27;s impressive how, albeit arguably misguided, talented and prolific our intelligence agencies are.
imahboob超过 11 年前
By treating allies like enemies US is creating new enemies.