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A society of phone zombies

121 点作者 stevenleeg超过 11 年前

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ryguytilidie超过 11 年前
Reminds me of the time my wife&#x27;s mother was very sick with cancer and we were at dinner and her dad was texting her updates. One time we happened to be at dinner and he sent her some messages so they were texting back and forth for 2-3m. During this time, the older gentleman at the table next to us actually says excuse me, can you get off your phone? You kids always being on your phone is getting really old. Because, you know, at 31, I personally embody ALL kids.<p>I guess maybe the moral of the story for me is that we would probably be happier people if we weren&#x27;t fretting about a harmless thing people were doing and instead focused on our own happiness. Maybe instead of sitting there getting grumpy that a stranger was looking at a screen this guy could have just had a conversation with the person at his table? Maybe its time for people to stop throwing a fit about things other people are doing and maybe that would make us all a bit happier.
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chrismonsanto超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m a bit extreme, but I don&#x27;t own a smartphone, I never have owned a smartphone, and I never plan to own a smartphone. I already know what it will do to my brain, because I spend all day at my computer, and it&#x27;s a constant struggle to not waste time on the Internet. (Most of my best work has been done on pen and paper while taking a walk.)<p>Even when I&#x27;m not working, I like being disconnected. It gives me a chance to reflect on my life. Where I am, where I want to be. Ideas I have. I find it difficult to produce anything of value to myself or others when I am too busy consuming stuff through my screens.<p>I think the worst part of smartphones are the cameras. I had an epiphany one day at some aquarium in NJ. The aquarium was mediocre, certainly nothing worth taking pictures of. But yet every group of people had to take videos of the fish, had to pose with the fish with their friends, etc (who knows why, those people will never view those videos ever).<p>Of course all of this picture taking took so long that people got bored. Why not, they couldn&#x27;t see the fish, after all. So of course, everyone got on their phones and goofed off, which made the crowds even MORE sluggish, which made the whole affair take longer, and which made the aquarium experience even more boring.<p>I think that if phones were banned at the aquarium people would have gotten in and out more quickly, seen more fish, and had more fun. It&#x27;s ironic that the smartphone--which is supposed to be whiz-bang-wow-entertainment-whenever-you-need-it--contributed heavily to making the aquarium experience boring for everyone.<p>Sorry to ramble! This issue means a lot to me. For a funnier presentation of what I just said, check out Louis CK&#x27;s standup (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd2sRC3K9Hs" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=zd2sRC3K9Hs</a>).
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chasing超过 11 年前
This argument has been made over and over and over for years. I enjoy my mobile device. It&#x27;s extremely useful in many situations. Although I admit that it&#x27;s sometimes a distraction for me and other people.<p>But here&#x27;s the thing: Mindless people will be mindless. They&#x27;ll find a way. Inconsiderate people will be inconsiderate. If they have an iPhone in their pocket, maybe they&#x27;ll use that as the tool of their rudeness. But it&#x27;s the person at the helm, not the device.<p>The solution isn&#x27;t the removal or banning of the technology, but the age-old solution of introducing social norms about what is and is not acceptable behavior. We do this all the time with new technologies and other social changes. If you start sending a text message while I&#x27;m talking to you, that&#x27;s extremely rude and unless you preface the act with &quot;excuse me, I just realized I left my child at home next to an open flame and I need to make sure the nanny put him out&quot; then I&#x27;m going to treat you as if you just perpetrated some combination of farting and shouting a racial slur. But if there are a few of us having lunch and you excuse yourself to send a couple of text messages or make a quick call while the rest of us chatter on, who cares? Go for it.<p>The same rules of politeness and thoughtfulness apply. They&#x27;re not at all hard to figure out. And I think almost everybody has. Except for the few who, like I said above, are going to find some way to be mindless or inconsiderate regardless of what&#x27;s in their pocket.
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mikecane超过 11 年前
Meanwhile, this photo has been spreading like wildfire on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/johnmaeda/status/406759966712684544" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;johnmaeda&#x2F;status&#x2F;406759966712684544</a>
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snide超过 11 年前
The easiest rule to follow:<p>Never pull out your phone unless you politely excuse yourself from the people you are with.<p>This will dramatically limit the amount of times you check, and on the off chance you really do need to check your phone, say a phone call, then it will be a politeness to those around you.<p>Do this just one night and you&#x27;ll feel embarrassed every time you need to check it.
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sendos超过 11 年前
I call the effect smartphones are having on us &quot;Information Obesity&quot; [1].<p>Just like when food was scarce and people ate as much as they could, and now that food is abundant many people can&#x27;t limit themselves to sensible amounts, a similar thing happened with information.<p>When information was scarce, we consumed as much as we could, and now that it is abundant many people can&#x27;t limit themselves to sensible amounts, and keep checking their email, twitter, reddit, HN, etc, on their smartphones.<p>Just as we learned to teach people who to deal with food abundance (and not successfully yet, unfortunately) we should one day start to teach people who to deal with information abundance<p>[1] <a href="http://andrewoneverything.com/post/43839194291/information-obesity" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;andrewoneverything.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;43839194291&#x2F;information-o...</a>
graeme超过 11 年前
There&#x27;s one solution few people consider: don&#x27;t get a data plan.<p>The original iphone launch trained us that smartphones must have a data plan. You couldn&#x27;t buy one without data. But now you can. I have an iphone with unlimited calls and texting, for $40 a month.<p>I use wifi at home, but when I&#x27;m out and about I&#x27;m not connected. I&#x27;ve never had a single problem as a consequence.<p>You might say &quot;but....google maps!&quot;. I&#x27;ve found that without Google maps, I am forced to actually learn my way around. Within a day or two I know a new city better than most locals.<p>My phone is much less distracting as a consequence.
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dictum超过 11 年前
&gt; Next time you’re in a restaurant with friends, have everyone put their phones stacked and face down in the center of the table. If anyone takes their phone off of the stack during the meal, they have to pay everyone else’s bill. It’s a fun way to make sure everyone is off their phone without seeming like an imposing ass.<p>If what keeps people from checking their phone is the threat of having to foot an expensive bill, it&#x27;s not so much a society of phone zombies, but a society of people with no self control.
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MaxScheiber超过 11 年前
In my opinion, one of the most egregious examples of phone zombie-ism is the amount of people taking pictures on their phones &#x2F; tablets when at some sort of famous monument or location.<p>To quote (of all people) Maddox:<p>&gt; I kept staring at &quot;my&quot; picture, looking for some glimmer of justification for its existence, I thought that maybe I could show this to my friends as proof that I&#x27;d seen the portrait with my own eyes. But I&#x27;m not in this picture, so there&#x27;s no proof I was ever there. Even if I was in the picture, it could have been photoshopped. And why would I need to prove it to anyone anyway?<p>I used to do this when I was younger, but I&#x27;ve come to realize that:<p>1. A professional photo of a famous destination looks seriously better than an iPhone photo.<p>2. The only reason people take these photos is to get more likes on Facebook and Instagram.<p>3. Nobody actually cares.<p>I&#x27;ve found myself enjoying a photoworthy location much more when my head is out of my phone and focused on the scene itself. This notion has served as inspiration for a recent project and venture I&#x27;ve been working on.
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chimeracoder超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m really glad that this was written, and even more glad to see it getting some attention on HackerNews.<p>By definition, most of us on this site live our lives by technology. Especially as engineers, it&#x27;s easy to get caught up in thinking about the tools we use, how to use them better, how to use them faster, and how to use the more. Just as important, however, is the ability to step back and think about <i>when</i> we should be using these tools, and <i>how</i>.<p>Technology is an incredibly powerful tool, but it&#x27;s simply that. A violin is not music; it is simply a medium (literally) that a musician uses to create music.<p>It&#x27;s all too easy to confuse the technique with the goal.
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seiji超过 11 年前
&quot;Seeing Eye People&quot; -- someone to guide you through the world while you text and walk crowded streets: <a href="http://improveverywhere.com/2013/04/30/seeing-eye-people/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;improveverywhere.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;04&#x2F;30&#x2F;seeing-eye-people&#x2F;</a>
Eduard超过 11 年前
I am a big fan of the current phone zombie generation!<p>It helps me a lot to recruit new users for my website. I usually start by asking them &quot;Could you do me a favor and take a look at my website. I&#x27;ve not checked my site on your kind of mobile phone&quot;.<p>Currently, I have a success rate of 80 percent of users taking a look at the website, and out of them, roughly 70 percent go to sign up with Facebook.<p>Besides getting new users, I get invaluable insight into my users&#x27; behavior and expectations while peeking at their phones. Additionally, I can check out how my website works on different kinds of mobile phones, OSes and tablets.<p>So I am really happy with so many phone zombies.
autonomy77超过 11 年前
Good article, but there seems to be a current trend towards being either a full-time tech-head or a neo-luddite who rejects technology. I&#x27;d argue it&#x27;s possible to be both. I have to be (and actually rather enjoy) being 100% plugged in for my job - yet I also enjoy powering down all my tech and spending dedicated time with my family with no devices online.<p>I think we sometimes forget that we&#x27;re allowed to do them both - but sometimes the balance gets skewed. Plug in if you want to, but when you unplug, unplug <i>completely</i>. It&#x27;s bliss.
brownbat超过 11 年前
This doesn&#x27;t have to be all or nothing, you can use mobile devices to supplement social interaction.<p>At some of our dinners, conversation will flow, and people will wonder about some fact, one of us will find it on wikipedia, conversation will ebb, and someone will check a feed for an interesting recent story to add to the discussion.<p>We used to have petty bar arguments, but now we&#x27;re all able to quickly identify what&#x27;s simply a research question, and we get far less invested. We now have debates or probing discussions about issues and values that are deeper and more personal than &quot;who was that guy in that movie from the 80s.&quot;<p>I&#x27;d avoid guidance that tells you to always set some technology aside in some situations, and instead ask, &quot;How can I use this tool to make what I&#x27;m doing better?&quot;<p>Just keep in mind that you&#x27;re involved in a group project, and the goal is increasing the total group&#x27;s enjoyment, not solely increasing your personal enjoyment.<p>If you get that, then setting tech aside isn&#x27;t necessary. If you don&#x27;t get that, then setting tech aside isn&#x27;t sufficient.
smugengineer69超过 11 年前
I really disagree with the sentiments here. Like many of you, I&#x27;m on the internet quite literally 14-16 out of every 24 hours, actively using it for about 13 of those. I&#x27;ve had a smartphone continuously since the palm treo 600 in 2003.<p>But never once have I felt powerless against it. I have one simple rule: don&#x27;t use it when I&#x27;m talking to people. (Unless we want to look something up on Wikipedia, in which case we do it together). This is enough. Maybe I just don&#x27;t know what all you other people are doing with your phones that make them so irresistible, but I am able to move fluidly between online and offline action in the world with no second thought. If I get a notification, I take the phone out for a second to read it and put it right back away.<p>Many times, the phone could be anything: If I have a magazine nearby instead, I read that. Or subway map. Or shampoo bottle.<p>What&#x27;s the real complaint here? I&#x27;ve seen articles like this 100 times and frankly none of them ever brings anything original to the table. I actually think this is because they derive their clickability through their vagueness. Everyone knows some jackass who brings his phone out during thanksgiving dinner with grandma, and everyone has almost run into someone who has been looking at their phone instead if the street. Is this really all you&#x27;re complaining about? I&#x27;d call these minor inconveniences at best, rude behavior at worst.<p>Predictably, In an effort to fill the void left by actual specific examples and details, these arguments&#x2F;videos take on some sort of mystical &quot;not enjoying the world&quot; vibe. How do they make this leap so readily? It&#x27;s easy to do because everyone loves to think the rest of the world is made up of zombies. But does it even logically follow?!<p>That video he references has come up everywhere and seems to resonate with a lot of people. It seems to focus on the idea of savoring the moment, whatever that means. Our Galtian heroine can do it, no one else can.<p>I see this woman as desperately and reactionarily clinging to a past that never existed, or at best an artisan-crafted inconvenience-sporting charming paradise.<p>Let&#x27;s get to specifics. Let&#x27;s discuss specific times when we think it&#x27;s not ok to talk on the phone -- at dinner, when walking on a crowded street, with grandma -- and let&#x27;s give up on this high-blown pretentious rhetoric about connecting with the world and savoring the moment. It&#x27;s frankly counterproductive--instead of discussing the new norms that always-connected technology dictates in specific detail, these articles have wandered into mystical, unrefutable territory that is usually the subject of religious belief, not pragmatic policy-setting.
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arthurgibson超过 11 年前
Ha, once Google Glass goes mainstream no one will be pulling out phones, they can stare blankly at you and read whatever they want.<p>Seriously, there&#x27;s a middle ground with everything, too much TV, on the laptop, playing video games. Individuals need to evaluate their own life and valuable interactions. At least the guy in the video made the hike instead of getting a virtual tour.
matthew-wegner超过 11 年前
Oh, I don&#x27;t know.<p>I noticed this the other day, and I realized the root urge behind &quot;phone zombie&quot; is to <i>connect with other people</i>: Friends, news, the world at large. Mobile phones are the inevitable byproduct of humans being incredible social animals.<p>(I try to minimize my own notifications and mobile phone usage, but to each their own).
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jccalhoun超过 11 年前
&quot; Next time you’re in a restaurant with friends, have everyone put their phones stacked and face down in the center of the table. If anyone takes their phone off of the stack during the meal, they have to pay everyone else’s bill. It’s a fun way to make sure everyone is off their phone without seeming like an imposing ass.&quot;<p>The author&#x27;s definition of &quot;not seeming like an imposing ass&quot; is very different than mine. If anyone I knew suggested that I would probably end up never wanting to go out with them ever again. Yeah, screw that. If you don&#x27;t want me using my phone tell me. Don&#x27;t play stupid games. Of course I&#x27;ll probably tell you to fuck off and go to hell...
JonnieCache超过 11 年前
Author, if you&#x27;re reading, kudos on the thin website. My eye muscles thank you.<p>Anyway, this problem is easily solved: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Black-Unlocked-DualBand-Phone/dp/B0068ZAPB0/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1385831295&amp;sr=8-16&amp;keywords=nokia+1100" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Nokia-Black-Unlocked-DualBand-Phone&#x2F;dp...</a>
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taylodl超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m an iPhone user and I use the Do Not Disturb feature so only calls from my immediate family will ring through. In the Notification Center I never configure applications to buzz the phone - instead I opt for the application icon to be badged when it has something for me. I think of it as making the phone work for me over my becoming a slave of the phone.
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dante9999超过 11 年前
Relevant <a href="http://9gag.com/gag/a9d1151?ref=t" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;9gag.com&#x2F;gag&#x2F;a9d1151?ref=t</a>
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ipsin超过 11 年前
What shocks me, as a bicycle commuter, is the number of people who cradle their smartphones in front of them while they drive.<p>It&#x27;s selfish and dangerous as hell, and those who do it exhibit the same really obvious symptoms as those on foot.<p>Lack of situational awareness, delayed response, and the poor decision-making that results from those.
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DenisM超过 11 年前
Once again I recommend the book &quot;shallows - what the Internet is doing to our brains&quot; by Nicolas Carr. 20% of the book is a list of references to scientific studies, so the book is not just another fluff-opinion piece.<p>If you can&#x27;t bring yourself to read a book, you might have a serious problem already :)
chatmasta超过 11 年前
If overconsumption of technology harms productivity of people, great! Less competition for me. As they say, &quot;it&#x27;s a dog eat dog world.&quot; While you&#x27;re browsing Facebook, I&#x27;m advancing myself in the world. Good luck catching me.
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wellboy超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve thought about this a lot.<p>I have found out that when I&#x27;m busy anyways with walking in the city, on the train etc. and I can&#x27;t really take time for myself or just relax, with my phone I&#x27;m able to organize things or meeting with friends for activities later, so that when I really have time for myself with no one bothering me, I have organized everything already.<p>So what the smartphone enables me to do is that I can use 30 seconds here and there during my day when I&#x27;m busy anyways, and have that time free in the evenings for instance. These 30 seconds that I use around 100 times during the day, then amount to an hour additional free hour at the end of the day.
blackhole超过 11 年前
To this day, I still don&#x27;t own a smartphone. This will eventually change, because I need it for more practical things, like having a map and being able to search google for things while I&#x27;m on the road.<p>But what completely boggles my mind is actually letting the phone buzz me for anything other than an actual phone call. Even when I&#x27;m at my desktop the only notifications I get are skype conversations, and sometimes I turn <i>those</i> off too.<p>I think the problem isn&#x27;t phones, it&#x27;s notifications. We have become addicted to notifications on both phones and the desktop.
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mcphilip超过 11 年前
Another component of a solution for this is giving parents better control over the time and energy kids are allowed to spend on their smartphone. As ADHD as I am as an adult, I wonder what the the effects an always on entertainment device would have had on my issues with distraction in my developmental years.<p>Maybe this already exists, but ideally I&#x27;d like to have unrestricted voice, but limited non-voice (I.e app) usage settings per day on phones.
Tycho超过 11 年前
Smartphones are great but damned if I&#x27;ll ever accept a company-email-enabled device. I think corporations are making a mistake by handing blackberrys out to everyone. You want to give your staff time and space to think about the big picture and the big problems, not constantly being monopolized by trivial emails in their quiet moments.
prostoalex超过 11 年前
If we gave up phones in public, we could be as extroverted and public as two generations before us:<p><a href="https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1453418_673991312625787_1277325133_n.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net&#x2F;hphotos-ash3&#x2F;1453418_673...</a>
polarix超过 11 年前
Does it change for you once we remove all visible or audible indications of others&#x27; distraction?<p>Perhaps we should just start to expect that we never have anyone&#x27;s full attention. Indeed we never did.
cheeko1234超过 11 年前
I wonder how the author&#x27;s going to feel when the Oculus Rift becomes mainstream. We will be getting lost &quot;inside&quot; technology. Is that necessarily a bad thing?
andor超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s addictive behaviour. If you&#x27;re <i>ahem</i> rather active on HN, you might be interested in the book &quot;The Fix&quot; by Damian Thompson.
arh68超过 11 年前
I stopped using my iPhone 4 a while ago. I&#x27;ve got a Nokia now. Things are mostly the same, though I was told my voice comes through much better now.
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rog-r超过 11 年前
Im at a birthday party right now... :-&#x2F;
rusabd超过 11 年前
browsing headlines is easy brain food - it is mind&#x27;s sugar. No substance, just pure energy we crave. Even worse - it stealing the time we would use for deep thoughts. The devastation effect on human society will be recognized only decades later I afraid.
mahyarm超过 11 年前
Facebook &amp; Twitter, it&#x27;s the new TV.
fpgaminer超过 11 年前
I chock this up to a growing conflict between the past and the future of our civilization. A past where the only place you could be was exactly where you were, whether you liked it or not. A future where you can be anywhere, do anything, with anyone.<p>Take a minute, and imagine all the places you would rather be right now, and imagine you could have anyone there with you. That&#x27;s what humans lust for; it&#x27;s why we spend so much money on vacations to exotic locations, or to live in nicer neighborhoods; nicer homes. But for the greater part of our history it has been exactly that; costly and time consuming. In the future, virtual worlds will be indistinguishable from the real world, and so the choice between the two will be simple. Why sit in an ugly cubicle in a stuffy office when you can be on a beach doing your work? Why drive 50 miles to visit an old friend, when both of you can go to the top of Mount Everest in the blink of an eye? Are your kids safe at school? Of course they are, because they are not physically at school, while at the same time getting lessons from the best teachers around the world.<p>It can be easy to imagine that world, and be horrified by it, because we fear that we will use it only for pleasure; never work. All those things experiences which will be common place in the future, are luxuries now. So they seem like pleasures, vacations. They will merely be commonplace, though; a normal part of your day. Have smart phones and the internet destroyed work ethic? Of course not. People always goofed off that much. Your grandfather didn&#x27;t work harder than you; he probably just did more manual labor than our more service oriented job-o-sphere.<p>As for the fear of technology disconnecting people, I call baloney. Perhaps it has long been forgotten now, but it used to be that you&#x27;d kiss your loved ones goodbye in the morning and then never hear from them again until it was evening. Sometimes your significant other didn&#x27;t show up. Stuck at work? Decided to hang out with friends? Mugged on the streets? Who knows! Then came along the telephone. Now you can stay in touch with those you care about, whenever you want. I don&#x27;t call that technology destroying humanity. That&#x27;s technology doing the most beautiful thing it can do; connect us.<p>Back to what I was getting at about the past and future colliding. If we&#x27;re ultimately headed into a future where we spend most of our lives living in the virtual&#x2F;augmented, then what we see today is that awkward in-between phase. Because of the limitations of today, our exotic virtual worlds are crude websites like Hacker News, Twitter, Reddit, etc. But they are virtual worlds. They&#x27;re little vacations we can go on. We get to meet new people, read new stories, experience new things. It&#x27;s primitive. But it&#x27;s already powerful. We forget so easily, because of the crudeness of the technology, that when we&#x27;re online we are interacting with other live human beings. The only difference between that and the real world is that it isn&#x27;t triggering our primal sense of reality. That will change.<p>When I&#x27;m walking down the street, I see an ugly suburban landscape. I don&#x27;t want to be there. I want to be on the exotic, tropical island called Hacker News reading about the success or failure of someone&#x27;s dream, and maybe chat with them about it. That&#x27;s beautiful to me. And thanks to modern technology I can choose to do that. A decade ago, I couldn&#x27;t. I would have been stuck, staring at the cold concrete under my feet, awkwardly making conversation with someone I have nothing in common with.<p>In other words, the author of the article talks about experiencing the world around you. But that speaks to old notions about what is around us. A hundred years ago, the world around us was limited to what was physically, gravitationally around us. Today, the world around us includes that which our smart phones allow us to see. We can experience not just our local space, but the lives of those halfway around the world. I say, don&#x27;t isolate yourself, pick up the phone and experience the world around you.<p>Now, I preach on this a bit because I don&#x27;t see many people doing it. Don&#x27;t get me wrong, I appreciate articles like Mr. Gattuso&#x27;s, and I&#x27;ll explain why in a moment. But I hardly ever see views like the one I expressed, written about. I believe it is because we&#x27;re in such an awkward in-between right now. And it&#x27;s hard to notice just how much good technology has done, especially if you demonize it. We don&#x27;t question our ability to call our loved ones and let them know that we&#x27;ll be a few hours late that night. It has become so much a part of the human experience, that when we demonize technology, we ignore how much we&#x27;ll truly lose if we &quot;put down the phone.&quot;<p>Again, I do appreciate Mr. Gattuso&#x27;s article greatly and all others like it. It&#x27;s a reminder to us all that we need to be careful and adapt. Yes, the powerful new ability to be anywhere, and do anything, with anyone, will cause problems for a large group of people. Just like gambling is a problem for a lot of people. But this has always been the case. Everyone uses something to escape from where they should be. Books, TV, daydreaming, etc. It takes real effort to live a healthy and happy life; it never was easy. Personally, being an introvert, I&#x27;m all too familiar with how much effort it can take to have a healthy social life. Is ever advancing technology going to make it easier to be unhealthy and unhappy? Yes! Of course! Just like alcohol can be used responsibly to relax, and used irresponsibly to destroy lives. Smartphones too are a double-edged sword. But on the whole, my opinion is that technologies like these will not introduce problems that did not already exist. And the benefits they will provide, to connect us in ways we&#x27;ve never experience before in mankind&#x27;s history, will provide such a tremendous wealth to our civilization we must not stop it.<p>TL;DR: Put down your smartphone when you are where you want&#x2F;should be. Pick it up, when you want to be somewhere else. How is that evil?
yresnob超过 11 年前
Yeah ..&quot;feed us with useless information&quot; alright..like this guy&#x27;s own article...
thenerdfiles超过 11 年前
Quot capita tot sensus.