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How we pay royalties: an overview

123 点作者 Sniperfish超过 11 年前

16 条评论

dmbass超过 11 年前
<p><pre><code> 2. Artist’s Spotify streams divided by total Spotify streams This calculates an artist’s popularity on the service, their “market share.” Dividing an artist’s streams by the total streams on Spotify determines the percentage of our total pay-outs that should be paid for that artist’s rights. </code></pre> This sucks bigtime. Why should artists that I never listen to receive any of my monthly subscription? This portion of the calculation should be done on a per subscription basis.
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tunesmith超过 11 年前
From an artist&#x27;s perspective, the decision to sign up for Spotify basically comes down to one question:<p>Does the benefit in music discovery make up for the cost of losing album&#x2F;download sales?<p>I did the calculations once and I forget the details, but the gist is that without factoring in music discovery benefit, an indie artist probably only hopes someone chooses to stream instead of download if the listener is going to stream the song around 1,000 times or more. Otherwise, you get more financial upside if they buy the download.<p>So the question is if any discovery benefit will shrink that number enough. This would include the people who stream and don&#x27;t buy but would never have bought in the first place, as well as the people who stream and then buy.<p>The answer is difficult to prove because you get into weird counterfactual questions, and there really aren&#x27;t any good studies out there from unbiased experimenters. But it&#x27;s pretty reasonable for a rational musician to decide that any discovery benefit will not make up for the cost in losing album or download sales.
jhgg超过 11 年前
I think that the real value to artists with spotify is that they show upcoming touring dates for the artist inline with the artist profile[0]. I think that spotify has a lot more that they can do to facilitate direct artist interaction with the fans though.<p>[0]: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/MyMlCvB.png" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;MyMlCvB.png</a>
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andrethegiant超过 11 年前
I&#x27;d like to see a comparison of royalty models between streaming services (Spotify, Pandora, Rdio, iTunes Match&#x2F;Radio) as well as how it compares to buying a physical CD.
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kosei超过 11 年前
One of my favorite things about the Spotify service is music discovery. In my experience I&#x27;ve found that they do a pretty decent job of helping to show me new bands based on my current preferences and listening habits, as well as those of my friends. If that continues to improve, I think they will also be able to do a much better job of helping smaller bands get additional exposure and therefore royalties.
ucha超过 11 年前
Looks like the system can be gamed by an artist than listens to his 4 min track 24&#x2F;7. If it pays about $0.007 per stream, listening to a 4 min song would pay out $75 - $10 of the subscription fee = $65&#x2F;month&#x2F;subscription. That wouldn&#x27;t happen if the royalties redistribution was done on a per subscription basis.
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Sniperfish超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t have much personal investment in the story, I&#x27;m a significant consumer of music but haven&#x27;t user Spotify (despite being in Canada I was only vaguely aware the service isn&#x27;t available here).<p>They&#x27;ve taken some flak in the past for their payments to artists and while I&#x27;m not following the discussions closely enough to suggest those criticisms are unjustified it does seem that they&#x27;re not the chief culprit. 30% retained doesn&#x27;t on the face of it seem unreasonably high, does anyone know how this compares to equivalent services?<p>Ultimately I don&#x27;t think disclosure is ever a bad thing and hope maybe this is one more small step advancing the general &#x27;royalty model&#x27; conversation.
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beachstartup超过 11 年前
&gt; 2. Artist’s Spotify streams divided by total Spotify streams<p>this is quite surprising. does this mean that hypothetically, if there is only 1 band in the spotify universe, it will receive half the revenues it once did if another band joins the service?
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jheriko超过 11 年前
&quot;if we could build a service which was better than piracy, then we could convince people to stop illegal file-sharing, and start consuming music legally again&quot;<p>this is exactly the right attitude. i&#x27;ve been &#x27;selling&#x27; this for years as my reason for piracy - its just easier. spotify absolutely killed that for me. it really is more convenient...<p>i do wish existing businesses in that area would look and learn instead of lobbying and abusing legislation to try and keep hold of a business model that died years ago... (or publishers trying to convince their artists that Spotify is ripping them off rather than &#x2F;them&#x2F;)
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crisnoble超过 11 年前
If you read all the way to the bottom you can find the main reason why I support Spotify, &quot;Spotify’s impact on piracy&quot;<p>&gt;Spotify has been successful in convincing this younger generation to abandon piracy and begin using and paying for a legal service. In fact, over 50% of Spotify’s paying subscribers are under the age of 29.<p>This is the reason that I love Spotify and its ilk.
doki_pen超过 11 年前
Can this system be gamed for profit?<p>1. Setup a short track on one of the linked providers. 2. Setup a bot to play the track over and over.<p>Do they pay out equally for tracks from paid vs. unpaid spotify accounts? If so, you could setup a bunch of anonymous accounts to increase stream plays.
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jcampbell1超过 11 年前
&gt; Spotify relative to other services<p>This section is highly misleading. US terrestrial radio mainly pays song writers not &quot;artists&quot;, and it pays them decently well. This section should be regarded as a solid lie.
oscarlsson超过 11 年前
Does ayone know if any of the other music services focusing on concerts and&#x2F;or merch or similar?
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cupcarpet超过 11 年前
spotifyforartists.com
rfnslyr超过 11 年前
I love Spotify. It actually revived my joy in doing anything really. I&#x27;ve kind of grown bored of life, of coding, of anything. Music is the one thing that I am and will always remain passionate about.<p>I&#x27;m Canadian, so getting Spotify running on all my mobile devices and my mac was tricky, especially with Premium, but I got it done.<p>The ability to support artists, while discovering new ones, and not acquiring the material illegally is crazy awesome. I am discovering new artists day in and day out and it keeps life very exciting for me personally. I even got back into coding.
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antocv超过 11 年前
Twist. Rights holders are actually the owners of spotify in 90% of the cases.
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