Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

WHY OH WHY is polyphasic sleep so attactive? Read about it a little bit, and realize that it is totally, TOTALLY unnatural, nearly impossible to maintain for any length of time, and possibly dangerous to your long-term well-being.<p>Go hack something else. Leave your circadian rhythms alone. You cannot redesign them or improve them.<p>If you are working on a submarine, then maybe polyphasic sleep is useful, because of the extraordinary circumstances. Otherwise, it is simply a bad idea.

I&#x27;m really interested in this project, but wish they had left polyphasic sleep entirely out of it. The sleep data they provide (REM and NREM monitoring, etc) seems fantastically useful, and the lucid dream induction is intriguing, if dubious; however, the inclusion of polyphasic sleep makes me suspicious of the scientific rigor of the project on a whole. It&#x27;s making it hard to decide whether to go ahead and back - on the one hand, I sleep with a mask anyway, definitely want the sleep monitoring capabilities the device offers, but on the other, can I trust it?

One serious concern I have with polyphasic sleep is the suppression of pineal gland secretions like melatonin from exposure to blue&#x2F;green light. 470mn is the most potent frequency (looks like &quot;sky blue&quot; to me) though humans have shown some sensitivity to frequencies as high as 505nm. What&#x27;s more, humans have shown sensitivity to intensities as low as 0.5 lumens. (Especially for prolonged exposures. That sliver of light coming underneath your door? Bad.)<p>What this means: If you are doing computer work at night, you are probably messing up your circadian rhythm and endocrine system. This is true, even if you have installed software like f.lux.<p>Note: We have done research into melatonin levels, but there are other pineal secretions that are probably affected the same way. The receptors involved are not the ones used for sight. Also note that we uncovered that the deepest phases of sleep are involved in actually removing certain materials from your brain!<p>Do not mess with sleep! (Disclosure: I am currently developing an iPhone app that will help evaluate the presence of melatonin suppressing light in your environment.)

I did polyphasic sleep for three months. It is possible and it does work, but what is overlooked is how perfect your sleep schedule needs to be. When you&#x27;re hitting all of your naps perfectly, you&#x27;re really not ever tired and you wake up without an alarm usually.<p>But... if you miss one nap, life is very difficult for a good 24-48 hours. Miss another nap in that timeframe and the problem compounds. Maybe this mask will help with that, or maybe not-- I have no idea. For me the problem was being near a good sleep location every four hours. I&#x27;d try to sleep in my car, but a third of the time or so I wouldn&#x27;t be able to sleep and I&#x27;d be screwed.<p>Anyway-- I&#x27;m glad to see people working on this. I&#x27;ve thought about getting back on it, but the completely hellish 5 day transition period and rigidity have held me back.

Want to get comfortable sleeping only 4-6 hours a day? Have a baby.<p>Seriously, though, while the page is a bunch of marketing bullshit I&#x27;d be interested in buying if it came out as a product. There really seems to be something to timing your wakeups to coincide with your sleep cycle. I have a very predictable 90 minute cycle and fall asleep very quickly, so I&#x27;ve had good luck with those sleep timer apps that wake you up at multiples of 90 minutes.

I am usually sucker for these things, but man, oh man :), polyphasic really! I thought this was busted long time ago as a myth.<p>Steve Pavlina was trying to do it and in the end had to admit it is just a way to be constantly sleepy.<p>Mask looks really nice, I would prefer it was a brain entrainment device of sorts. However, to end on more positive note, Kickstarter is great because they have a chance to show us their idea and gauge how much we are interested or not in it. So yay for Kickstarter!

I&#x27;m no MD, but I did see a Stanford sleep psychologist for a long period to deal with my sleeping issues.<p>As usual, the answer to whether polyphasic sleep works isn&#x27;t very attractive. In a nutshell, it will work for some people, but probably not for most. We evolved to sleep at night, plain and simple.<p>That being said, I would love more details on how this would help you manage your regular sleep. I see it supports &quot;monophasic&quot; mode, I would have definitely bought in at a lower price point.

is it just me but do all of the founders look and sound really tired?

This may be a good device for <i>monitoring</i> sleep, but for those considering a polyphasic sleep schedule, try reading one of many HN threads on the topic: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1464142" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=1464142</a>

I guess you could say that those entrepeneurs&#x27; sleep patterns have been...<p>(straps on a big ugly Neuroon ski-mask thing)<p>_disrupted._<p>YEAHHH!

I think that if you need the product to increase the amount of workable hours in a day, you&#x27;re doing something wrong to begin with. The idea of Polyphasic sleep in itself is interesting, but do it for the right reasons (more time to communicate with friends&#x2F;family who are in a different timezone, work nightshifts etc.).<p>One other thing to consider is the fact that sleeping less means you&#x27;ve got more time to spend, also during hours when almost nobody else is awake. For some this isn&#x27;t an issue, but for others this could prove to be difficult. I for one would opt for an Everyman cycle, since it allows you to be awake during relatively &quot;normal&quot; hours.

People who think that REM sleep is &quot;all&quot; you require are invited to develop obstructive sleep apnea.<p>Let me know how that works for you, dreaming for 16 hours straight and waking up tired.

From all of their marketing material it appears that they&#x27;re based out of Poland. I wonder if setting your kickstarter location to SF is the cool thing to do.

This looks useful even to just monitor and (hopefully) improve normal sleep patterns. I&#x27;ve been using an Up band for sleep tracking, and it has some accuracy issues, but is still useful; a device monitoring brainwave patterns could be more accurate.<p>Might be fun to hack around with for other brainwave monitoring purposes, such as meditation&#x2F;biofeedback.

I wonder if the founders&#x2F;people working on the product are sleeping 2 hours a day since they started working on this.

So uh, I don&#x27;t really care about the polyphasic stuff. Would this device improve normal sleep? I struggle to find comfortable sleep masks. I suppose it&#x27;s kind of expensive, although the sleep monitoring stuff is cool.

&quot;NeuroOn has technology that lets you induce lucid dreaming, whenever you want&quot; - polyphasic sleep is pretty interesting, but this is what does it for me... IF it&#x27;s possible.

Is only getting 7 hours of sleep a night, really that bad? I personally like sleeping. I would hate to try only get 2-4 hours a day.

more psychotic people in 3,2,1...

Or you could sleep for a regular amount hours on a regular basis.<p>This kind of brain-hackery bullshit is just marketing fluff. I envy and pity anybody with too much money and not enough brains, but this is just blatant pandering to nitwits and morons.<p>This is right up there with homeopathic medicine, magnetic wristbands to improve blood oxygenation, and compression nylon clothes to improve blood circulation. It&#x27;s pseudoscientific bullshit.