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Why was this secret?

411 点作者 mkuhn超过 11 年前

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grellas超过 11 年前
Why was her diary secret? Well, because she wanted it so. And that should be enough.<p>When it comes to information that any given person regards as intimate about oneself, that should always be enough. It doesn&#x27;t matter that someone else might peruse that information and say, &quot;there is nothing special here.&quot; Why? Because it is not that person&#x27;s judgment to make. There may be nothing special about my exact bank balance or net worth or state of my health or sex life or political or religious affiliations (or lack of affiliations) or any other information that I may consider private but that doesn&#x27;t mean I want that information broadcast to the world only to invite identity thieves, malicious third-parties, political enemies, or anybody else who might bear a grudge or harbor an animus to have a field day with it. But they are just &quot;facts&quot;, you might say. No, in the wrong hands, they are ammunition by which to hurt you if people want and, even if the facts themselves are innocent enough, people have a ready capacity as may suit their whims or prejudices or any other ulterior motives they may have to do you wrong and what may appear as innocent &quot;facts&quot; to one person can easily be transmuted into a vile weapon that can cost you your job, your important relationship, or any other of many things that might be the subject of someone&#x27;s jealousy or other animus toward you (a lifetime of courtroom experience has certainly shown me how easy it is for a motivated adversary to take otherwise innocent facts and twist them into malicious aspersions if they really want to). What is more, even if nobody had <i>any interest whatever</i> in harming me through misuse of that information, it is part of my essential humanity that I can separate that which I regard as intimate (to me) from that which is made freely available for public consumption. There is a reason why the word &quot;vulgar&quot; developed negative connotations over the centuries: it originally meant nothing more than &quot;belonging to the crowd.&quot; Well, crowds can trample on things you might regard as precious and it should be your choice and no one else&#x27;s whether you want to open up important parts of your life for public consumption.<p>If I happen <i>not</i> to want to keep any part of my life secret, well, that is fine too. That is a choice every person can make for himself so long as he doesn&#x27;t go about over-sanctimoniously proclaiming that others must do the same or harming others about him by revealing things that they consider intimate as he opens the book of his own life to the world.<p>It is the same in the business world. One can open-source his own works as a matter of commitment to the idea that all information ought to be free or for any other reason but that doesn&#x27;t mean the law ought to abrogate protections for proprietary, trade secret information that most businesses need to keep confidential information as a matter of competitive advantage. If I am a broker who depends for his livelihood in serving a customer base that it took years to develop, I would be rightly upset if someone came in and simply handed all my customer information over to my competitors. So too would a development team that has invested huge amounts of money and time into a development effort that gives them a significant competitive advantage over others and whose business model turns on keeping that advantage to themselves exclusively. So too would most any company management if its confidential business plans for winning key markets suddenly got broadcast publicly over the web. Examples of this type can be multiplied endlessly and really are self-evident to anyone who has had much in the way of real-world business experience.<p>Again, any private business is free to make a contrary judgment and to open itself up at every level so that it maintains no private or secret information whatever. That is their choice. But, if I want to keep things secret in my business, no one should be able to force me to do otherwise or to try to shame me into believing that I am doing something wrong.<p>Laws and public policy cannot make these choices for us as individual actors but it is essential that they set up a structure to protect those who would seek to keep their confidential information private. How and to what degree that happens in practical execution can be a complex topic in our technological age but the abiding principle, to me, is very clear: privacy is valuable in any society and laws should be shaped accordingly.<p>So, why, then, is this secret? Because the person it most affects wants it that way and the rest of us should respect that person&#x27;s wishes to keep it so.
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jarrett超过 11 年前
In the context of coding projects, the author&#x27;s conclusion seems realistic.<p>Given current events though, I can&#x27;t help but wonder if there&#x27;s a subtext about privacy and snooping. If so, then I would venture this observation: Your friend&#x27;s super-secret diary is meaningless to you only because you have no desire to abuse the access you&#x27;ve been given. Suppose instead your friend&#x27;s devious enemy obtained the diary. Then, he could probably use it to damage your friend&#x27;s relationships and&#x2F;or career.<p>Now imagine a dystopian future when all such diaries are available to a privileged subset of society. Imagine the power that subset would hold, and all the ways it would likely be abused.<p>Unless we want to ensure our every communication and personal note is fit for public consumption, some things are by definition our secrets.
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m0nastic超过 11 年前
I can&#x27;t even imagine about what privacy is going to look like in 20 years, or how society will adapt to deal with it. What seems missing from his thought experiment is how to address privacy for things that concern more than just a single participant.<p>I don&#x27;t particularly worry about my individual privacy, or care about securing my things. If someone managed to get a hold of my email, I wouldn&#x27;t be very put out. I don&#x27;t encrypt my hard drives, or even back anything up. My lack of security and privacy hygiene, however, doesn&#x27;t extend to my work stuff. I care about maintaining the confidentiality and privacy of that stuff because it&#x27;s part of a social contract (and I suppose also an employment contract) that I have with my work and my clients.<p>Instead of his diary example, what if he had asked his friend &quot;Can I copy all of the emails off of your phone, or all the phone numbers in your addressbook?&quot; Maybe they still wouldn&#x27;t care, or maybe they&#x27;d now have to take into account the fact that all that data also involves other people, and maybe they wouldn&#x27;t find it acceptable for you to give our their cell phone number to anybody who asks.<p>So much of the data that we accrue is increasingly more interconnected with other people. I feel like that&#x27;s where we run into trouble, because there is no universal consensus around what&#x27;s private and what isn&#x27;t. We have rudimentary laws protecting the smallest subset of data which the government has decided should be considered private, but everything else is a value judgement for individuals (and is part of the current internet company land-grab).<p>I feel like his position is going to be harder and harder to maintain, as more and more of the &quot;personal&quot; data he&#x27;s okay with sharing includes other people&#x27;s data.
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Qantourisc超过 11 年前
&quot;So if someone is going through my private things, for example, and gets upset about what they find, then that’s their problem, not mine!” Must agree... until someone makes it your problem, by social standards, laws, or anything else they can use to make your life harder.
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samstave超过 11 年前
&gt;<i></i><i>&quot;I was surprised it was all meaningless to me. These pages meant the world to her, but to me they meant no more than any non-secret conversation we’d ever had. It was the same stuff that we all think.</i><i></i>&quot;<p>Uh - yeah this is completely naive. Here is why; the informatin is meaningless to you <i></i><i>only if you are not looking to manipulate, exploit, blackmail or have the upper hand of the person holding the secrets</i><i></i>.<p>This is why the dragnet is insidious. Because it may be insignificant to the rural farmer; but valuable aagainst the urban lawyer seeking office, the corp exec or other heeled&#x2F;monied power wielders...
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andrewfong超过 11 年前
&quot;We got two ciders and she patiently waited while I spent 20 minutes reading through it. Pages filled with words about processing family drama, formulating goals, plans for life changes, romantic details, lists of regrets, contemplations, etc.&quot;<p>&quot;I was surprised it was all meaningless to me. These pages meant the world to her, but to me they meant no more than any non-secret conversation we’d ever had. It was the same stuff that we all think.&quot;<p>The key here is &quot;meaningless <i>to me</i>&quot;. It&#x27;s obviously meaningful to her. And it would also be meaningful to her family, or romantic partners, or a potential employer, etc.<p>Privacy is contextual. I often joke that it wouldn&#x27;t bother me personally if Google or the NSA poked around my e-mail. But it would bother me a lot if my mom did.
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lukeqsee超过 11 年前
When you live in a society where anything you do or say (or accidentally appear to have said or did) will be held against you, privacy matters. It matters so much you don&#x27;t log-in to online messaging services because you&#x27;re wary of SSL MitM attacks or send non-encrypted emails from that network or do a litany of other &quot;normal&quot; things. It definitely means you aren&#x27;t 100% open like Sivers is suggesting.<p>How do I know this? I live in a very small, strict university setting that presents a picture of the potential of a future of &quot;complete transparency&quot;. Even the hint of &quot;lawbreaking&quot; (i.e., rule-breaking) can land you in serious trouble. Trust me, I take privacy very seriously. Not because I have something to hide, but because I have everything (in the short-term) to lose.<p>I know what I&#x27;ve said is mostly anecdotal due to the implicit nature of choosing to be in this environment; however, were this environment the world at large, I believe my anecdote would be normative.
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natch超过 11 年前
Is Sivers really suggesting that just because she was OK with him reading the diary, she would be OK with <i>anyone</i> reading it? That seems like a highly naive assumption.<p>And seriously, this is your entire project list? &quot;Everything is listed...&quot; As a programmer and someone who sees how other programmers work, I am not buying it.<p>Please don&#x27;t lecture us on secrets with weak false examples. It comes off as disingenuous.
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IvyMike超过 11 年前
One of my favorite Dilbert strips is Asok asking &quot;Why is this document stamped CONFIDENTIAL? If I spent my entire life trying, I would not be able to find anyone who cared to read it.&quot;
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ChuckMcM超过 11 年前
It makes for an interesting thought about what is intrinsically valuable versus what isn&#x27;t.<p>The diary is &#x27;non-intrinsic&#x27; because he doesn&#x27;t have the context in which the information makes sense. A series of usernames and passwords is secret because it is self referentially useful.<p>Stuff in the first category can become useful over time (the Mosaic effect) when someone suddenly lashes out about something and that connects the context of a series of family dramas. Stuff in the latter category is useful right away.<p>Its useful to think about both cases. (oh and I really enjoyed reading through the ideas, they are fun) I should put my list up somewhere as well.
eCa超过 11 年前
The important part missing here is that it must be a <i>choice</i>. If I want my location data public I can make it public. If I want my super-secret diary read by anyone I can post it on Tumblr.<p>But if I don&#x27;t want to no-one should judge me for making that choice. And I should not judge those that choose differently.
throwaway_yy2Di超过 11 年前
There&#x27;s an old joke: so this guy is trying to get rid of an ugly old sofa, he puts it out on the curb with the sign &quot;free sofa!&quot;. Days pass; no luck. So he puts up a new sign saying &quot;sofa: $50, call ###-####&quot; and it&#x27;s gone in ten minutes.
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ilaksh超过 11 年前
This person realized that with the NSA and however many other agencies spying on us, and other issues, we may not effectively have any real privacy anymore, and therefore he has come up with one or more rationalizations for why this is OK.<p>This is probably a common thing. Seems a bit similar to Stockholm syndrome. Anyway its probably an automatic self-defense mechanism.<p>The scary part is that a significant portion of the population is probably also doing a similar sort of rationalization now.<p>People will eventually accept any circumstance that they can&#x27;t change, unless it is going to kill them. Actually, even if it _will_ kill them. In fact, our inevitable death is one aspect of life that people will often rationalize in the most determined way.<p>We can change this circumstance though. We can have privacy, even in the digital age. Don&#x27;t give up your natural rights so easily.
PhasmaFelis超过 11 年前
My favorite thing on GameFAQs is the angry verbiage at the end of every FAQ promising dire legal consequences should anyone attempt to appropriate and profit from their work. Do you really think anyone anywhere is going to <i>pay</i> for your Donkey Kong Country strategy guide?<p>If I ever write a game FAQ, it&#x27;s going to end with &quot;if you figure out a way to make a profit off of this, you are legally required to let me know how you did it so I can congratulate you.&quot;
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kinkora超过 11 年前
It is meaningless to you because you have no use for that information which is probably why she shared the &quot;super super secret&quot; diary with you. In terms of your relationship with your friend, you present a harmless consumer of that information.<p>As a though process, lets replace &quot;you&quot; with:<p>a) her employers, colleagues, etc<p>b) any of her family members that she talked about<p>c) her significant other, partner, etc.<p>Now, do you think she will let these people read her diary? Do you see how dangerous these &quot;secrets&quot; are if these parties get their hands on it?<p>IMO there are always valid or invalid reasons for keeping secrets (privacy is actually the real topic here) but the real question is whom are you keeping this secret from.
visakanv超过 11 年前
My interpretation of Derek&#x27;s point: &quot;A lot of us keep things secret for the sake of keeping them secret without particularly evaluating whether the secrecy serves any purpose. On average, this means that there are things that are secret that shouldn&#x27;t necessarily be. We might all be better off if we were a little more willing to share things that might not actually need to be secret.&quot;<p>Not everything needs to be secret != everything should be public<p>His post is written to describe his personal journey about his personal attitude towards his own work. I think a lot of people are misinterpreting him to be saying something broader and blunter than he actually is.
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Procrastes超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve often said that the best way to get a quick competitive advantage against our rivals would be to send them our source.
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enraged_camel超过 11 年前
No one cares about other people&#x27;s family drama. But if Valerie led a secret life as a private escort or ran a sex-cam operation from her bedroom to make ends meet, I doubt she would be OK with Derek reading about them.
YuriNiyazov超过 11 年前
When you open to the public the contents of your instance of Beekeep and Peeps databases, then you will have a point.
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clarkm超过 11 年前
You should&#x27;ve asked her if you could scan it, OCR it, and upload it to a publicly available, web-crawlable, SEO-optimized website where it would be scooped up and stored on archive.org for all eternity.
hosh超过 11 年前
This was indeed the conclusion I came to as well though my journey through there was a lot more convoluted.<p>And then, there are things like: <a href="http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/charlotte-laws-hunter-moore-erin-brockovich-revenge-porn" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xojane.com&#x2F;it-happened-to-me&#x2F;charlotte-laws-hunte...</a>
zobzu超过 11 年前
Now imagine that instead of her boyfriend, someone who hates her finds the diary. Yeah.<p>You&#x27;re stupid. That&#x27;s not a secret tho - it&#x27;s just a fact. I&#x27;d happily sugar-coat it but I&#x27;m tired of feeling like we&#x27;re degrading our minds since internet came around with fast paced sensationalistic crap.
mmanfrin超过 11 年前
Derek -- what are your credit card numbers and SSN? No reason to keep those private!
sidgup超过 11 年前
It is only meaningless to others until they choose to abuse it and use it to put you at a disadvantage. That is when this argument fails.<p>Yes my code is probably useless to others and so are my super-super secret diaries. However, it is only a matter of time that a smart con-man will connect the dots to ruin my life - my relationships, steal my identity etc.<p>&quot;Going through my stuff... if they become upset, its their problem, not mine!&quot;. Right, until I realize that going through that stuff actually made them happy instead because of how they could use it to profit themselves.
rejschaap超过 11 年前
I think the diary analogy is great, but the author fails to explore it properly. It ignores aspects such as self-awareness, self-consciousness and self-censorship. Notice a lot of &#x27;self&#x27;s in the previous sentence? A diary is a very personal thing. When you are writing in your diary you poor your heart out about everything and anything. You can do this because you are the only person who will ever read this stuff. Imagine writing something that other people will read, like your mom (anything sex-related is out of the question), your colleagues (better not say your boss is a total jerk), your friends (don&#x27;t mention that secret Anne told you about Peter, or you wlll lose 2 friends) or your government (no wait, they already know everything anyway).<p>Similar things happen when you are writing code for yourself and yourself only. When I write code for my own pleasure. I don&#x27;t care so much about documentation, clarity, robustness, polish, etc. Yes, I am a bad, bad person. Anyway, compare writing code for yourself with code you share with friends (generally supportive, but add some polish and fix that hack so they don&#x27;t think you&#x27;re a complete idiot), colleagues (semi-critical yet supportive, maybe try to score some bonus points using a FactorySingletonVisitorBean) or hackerne.ws (super-critical, probably rewrite it in the language-du-jour first, prepare to be burned at the stake anyway).
datakid超过 11 年前
This is such bullshit - poorly formulated hippy dribble.<p>If he was really interested in such ideas, he would know and use GPL&#x2F;AGPL&#x2F;MIT&#x2F;Apache licences already for his code, and CC for his writings.<p>Instead he makes everyone hippy dippy stupid about secrecy and privacy. It might all be fine when you are rich, cis-straight and white, but a single non friendly idea and you are a threat to the state.<p>People that cheapen our privacy and secrecy rights shouldn&#x27;t be allowed this much airtime.<p>Ridiculous. -1
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vubuntu超过 11 年前
Flawed argument by the poster...<p>&gt;&gt; &quot;Pages filled with words about processing family drama, formulating goals, plans for life changes, romantic details, lists of regrets, contemplations, etc&quot;<p>C&#x27;mon, those are her super super private secrets? Thats ridiculous. &#x27;romantic details&#x27; may be a little bit...<p>Thats why she says &quot;So if someone is going through my private things, for example, and gets upset about what they find, then that’s their problem, not mine!”&quot;<p>But things people like to keep really secret (and not coyly secret) and worry about others finding out, are those that would upset themselves (and not the readers) if they get discovered. These would be things that one is ashamed of, that one is afraid of being discovered, that if known to others will result in loss of respect&#x2F;love&#x2F;admiration&#x2F;consolation etc that they are currently receiving from others. Or those if discovered by the wrong person can leave one vulnerable to exploitation&#x2F;blackmail etc. Any other type of secrets are just silly and overblown.
kgen超过 11 年前
This is an interesting point, I think the tendency of most people who are creative&#x2F;idea types (myself included) are kind of an over thinking of their own ideas, like they are somehow more important and prone to &quot;theft&quot;, but the more I work on my own stuff, and the more I do on in open source, the less and less I think that’s the case.<p>Like when I was working on Capsulr (<a href="http://capsulr.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;capsulr.com&#x2F;</a>, shameless plug), I worried about showing people stuff too early, until I just realized that most people probably wouldn’t even see the site, or if they did, most wouldn&#x27;t even see the product the same way that I see it evolving. It’s kind of helped me to start documenting my work, and I find that sharing notes publicly (just with myself) is a load of pressure off my shoulders and is worth the tiny possibility that someone might take it and run with it.
shurcooL超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve basically made the same realization a few years ago and decided to stop going through the trouble of keeping my personal code private.<p>It&#x27;s been great so far. I get all the benefits (like godoc.org providing docs for my code, free github repos, easy to share links with people, etc.) and none of the disadvantages.<p>It&#x27;s a personal choice, and not for everyone. But it just makes life so much easier. In fact, I&#x27;m trying to reduce the number of things that I&#x27;m forced to keep private because they&#x27;re considered to be &quot;security questions&quot;.<p>On theft of ideas: <a href="https://twitter.com/shurcooL/status/266294572949327872" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;shurcooL&#x2F;status&#x2F;266294572949327872</a>
ryanklee超过 11 年前
How about this: No one can predict the import of what&#x27;s recorded NOW. Not the person who records it, not the person who observes it, not the person who comes upon it 5 minutes, 5 years, 5 decades later.<p>Keeping your material projections close to the vest, keeping them out, as far as possible, from the unpredictable hands of the future is just good sense.<p>The times are changing. We have very little grasp on how what we record now - private, public, or otherwise (?) - will impact us in the future.<p>There&#x27;s a virtue in openness, to be sure. But maintaining privacy is no bad thing. No matter what the talking walnut says.<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKd7z5CY4BU" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=EKd7z5CY4BU</a>
d0m超过 11 年前
Hopefully he removed all private keys from the earliest commit before pushing them publicly ;-)
jmtame超过 11 年前
Great idea. Here&#x27;s mine:<p><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pn5vL3TY3VKr3WyZrKBpWnGW_zYi9AOA1b8c5NBiDFg/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;document&#x2F;d&#x2F;1pn5vL3TY3VKr3WyZrKBpWnGW...</a>
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rmc超过 11 年前
<i>“I’m not worried about someone finding out my secrets, because secrets are just facts, right? So if someone is going through my private things, for example, and gets upset about what they find, then that’s their problem, not mine!”</i><p>Sure, it&#x27;s their problem. But they might have power over you. If some intolerant family members discover you&#x27;re gay, you might get kicked out of the house. If parents discover their child is trans, they might try to &quot;beat it out of them&quot;. An abusive husband might find where his wife has run off to and &quot;finish the job&quot;.<p>But, hey, they&#x27;re problem! right?
droopybuns超过 11 年前
This is bullshit naievete.<p>Move the clock back 40 years on the romance section. Imagine it references homosexuality, and ask yourself if the author&#x27;s theme of &quot;what&#x27;s the big deal&quot; is appropriate.<p>OP is under the mistaken belief that everyone else shares their morals and mores. They have plenty of time to be rudely defenstrated.<p>This is the danger of confusing exhibitionism with free-spiritedness.<p>It is a first-principle error to devalue privacy. OP should be ashamed of themselves. They need to read up on humanity&#x27;s very short history of tolerance for true individualism. OP should read up on Alan Turing for fuck&#x27;s sake.<p>Fuck this fool.
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sanderjd超过 11 年前
I think you could also ask the opposite question about pretty much anything - why was this public? And I think the answer is the same - because I wanted it that way. Why should it need to be justified either way? If I want to keep something secret for a reason or by default or just on a whim, I should be able to, and if I want to make something public, I should be able to do that too. I don&#x27;t think one choice is any better than the other as a default.
nadam超过 11 年前
Regarding source code in a business context the question is: What is your competitive advantage? Well, as an experienced software developer who is not nearly as experienced in other things, sometimes my <i>only</i> chance to have competitive advantage is private source code. You may argue that I do not even have that competitive advantage, but then why bother competing in any market at all?
garthdog超过 11 年前
Just because privacy is worthless to you does not means it&#x27;s not of value to me. Throw away your privacy but please don&#x27;t contribute to the meme that privacy is disposable.<p>Lots of people have secrets that are harmless but can destroy them if they end up in the wrong hands, e.g. homosexuality within a conservative community.
001sky超过 11 年前
Discretion and secrecy are related but not interchangible concepts. Is this author really suggesting discretion be non-existent? That opportunistic manipulation has never occurred? The need for NDAs has never once made sense? What it is disporportionately valuable to you, is more costly to you, once taken away, too.
linux_devil超过 11 年前
With respect to ideas in start-up phase , I think if it&#x27;s your idea , you will pursue it more passionately as compared to others . Idea can struck to anyone , wonder out of billions of people around how many are pursuing similar ideas ? It&#x27;s the one who do it in right way and right time makes it big.
robobro超过 11 年前
Wonderful! Seems to be public domain, too?
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auggierose超过 11 年前
I am not sure why an article goes to Nr. 1 that has a made up table full of silly unjustified numbers in it.
detcader超过 11 年前
If you have nothing about your personal life you want to hide, I think you&#x27;re pretty boring
dinkumthinkum超过 11 年前
I think this is just la la land jibber jabber. You all can pretend privacy is irrelevant and you don&#x27;t care if everyone knows everything about you because it is &quot;meaningless&quot; or whatever ...<p>But unlike some on HN, I will continue to live in the real world.
mathattack超过 11 年前
This is consistent with what I see about supposed corporate secrets, and source code. What&#x27;s on paper matters less than the people behind it, their interest and motivation, and how creating the &quot;secrets&quot; changed them.
headgasket超过 11 年前
overused but appropriate.<p>There are 2 rules to success:<p>rule 1: Never tell everything you know.<p>edit: read a bit about Derek Sivers, this guy is either the counter example or his rule no2 is really worth knowing. Almost all my best reads of the past 10 years are on his book list.<p>He sold his company to a perpetual charitable trust which then sold it to a third party, shielding himself and saving a bundle in capital gains tax and providing residual for his whole life + supports his cause(music education). Kudos Derek. I&#x27;ll be reading the books on your list; maybe to catch a glimpse of your rule no2? :-)<p>Cheers,
mnw21cam超过 11 年前
Don&#x27;t worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you&#x27;ll have to ram them down people&#x27;s throats. -- Howard Aiken
eplanit超过 11 年前
Interesting how the author, and the woman who&#x27;s the subject of his anecdote (and several here), conflate and confuse privacy with secrecy.
dutchbrit超过 11 年前
She probably would of said no, if there was any negativity about you in there.<p>You should of asked what her pincode was for her ATM card...
tillinghast超过 11 年前
All I want is your GitHub password.
benched超过 11 年前
About half of my friends post every move they make throughout the day, photo-illustrated, to Facebook. They also have numerous short conversations with their friends, that are clearly just between the two of them and would normally be of no interest to anybody else. It&#x27;s the equivalent of having private conversations out loud in front of everyone each of them have ever met in their lives.<p>I do not understand any of this behavior. I&#x27;m said to be a &#x27;private person.&#x27; But it&#x27;s clear to me that the zeitgeist is definitely <i>not</i> on my side here. I also wonder what all of this will be like in 20 years, given that Facebook has only been in widespread use for an utterly paltry 5 years.