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The Silicon Valley-ization of San Francisco

83 点作者 clarkm超过 11 年前

18 条评论

tptacek超过 11 年前
<i>As a software engineer, here are some rough statistical generalizations I can make based on the thousands of engineers</i> [...]<p>While I find his summary congenial to my own beliefs, here the author commits the same sin that Paul Graham (and Eric Raymond before him) committed: making a broad claim about the beliefs of a class of people that one belongs to that sounds an awful lot like a specific claim about ones own beliefs. A real engineer, as it turns out, is someone who looks an awful lot like Paul Graham. Or like Eric Raymond. Or like David Auerbach.<p>Shall we break it down a little? Well:<p>* There are plenty of socially conservative engineers. They tend not to live in San Francisco. But did you happen to notice how socially liberal San Franciscan tax accountants are?<p>* More software engineers go to church than to Burning Man. I have no idea how basic arithmetic could have failed to make this clear to Auerbach.<p>* Every software engineer I know complains about taxes. Particularly property taxes.<p>* I don&#x27;t know a single software engineer who thinks about the millions of dead victims of communism that are metaphorically spat upon when someone claims Obamacare is &quot;communist&quot;. This, by the way, was the point where it became clear in this post that Auerbach had decided that he was the everyengineer.
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robbyking超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve lived in San Francisco most of my adult life (having moved to the city after I graduated high school in the late 90&#x27;s), and the current tech boom has been bittersweet for me and a lot of my friends. To be honest, I agree with -- and for the most part fit into -- the portrait this article paints of Bay Area engineers (&quot;more of them go to Burning Man than to church&quot;), but what&#x27;s heartbreaking as a San Franciscan is how much influence on the city&#x27;s culture the vocal minority of &quot;loudmouthed techies&quot; has had; neighborhoods I used to live in and love -- namely the Mission, South of Market, and Lower Haight -- would be unrecognizable in their current forms if my 2002 self were to see them.<p>I understand cities are living things, and they grow and change and people come and go, but the complete disregard for the city&#x27;s culture is what&#x27;s been so difficult for me. When I moved here I was young and naive, too, but I like to think I used the opportunity to learn about different cultures, backgrounds and perspectives, not marginalize them.
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WalterBright超过 11 年前
&gt; everything that artist-friendly, countercultural, way-left-of-American-center San Francisco has historically stood for.<p>This is ironic considering that SF got its impetus from being a gold rush town filled with people determined to strike it rich.
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was_hellbanned超过 11 年前
SF hasn&#x27;t been cool since probably the 90&#x27;s.<p>People flock their, latch on to the manic imprint they burn into their mind in their first few years[1], and proceed desperately fight change. The infrastructure is wildly outdated, the social network can&#x27;t support the excess homeless, and the building codes prevent the sort of compact, high-density living necessary to allow exactly the sort of lower-income people and families that everyone claims they want to keep around.<p>[1] as evidenced by my own comment about it not being cool since the 90&#x27;s, though I think I could wrangle an objective argument out of it by looking at the explosion of housing prices, gentrification, and the sort of Urban Outfitter&#x27;s commercialized uniformity of the modern &quot;counter-culture&quot;.
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minimax超过 11 年前
I was just thinking today that if food prices tripled I would barely notice except that rest of the world would be on fire. I am not the marginal buyer for anything you really need to go on living. Food, energy, clothing. My personal income is probably somewhere in the top 15% for the United States. I am a nice enough guy, and I typically vote for progressive candidates too, but if I move into a city with a limited housing supply, I&#x27;m going to have bid the prices up so I can have a nice place to live. Sorry about that, everyone else.<p>disclaimer: I have only been to SF like once and I don&#x27;t really know what is going on there.
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agorabinary超过 11 年前
&quot;... a new startup, Meteor, an open-source Web app development platform more interesting than Coin, Bitcoin, and Uber put together.&quot;<p>Oh yes, another colorful dev framework is more interesting than <i>programmable money</i>. Who is this pleb author and why are we giving this article any consideration whatsoever? It&#x27;s such a poor attempt to dress up what is only a libertarian-hate article as a genuine analysis (see: purely anecdotal) of some urban culture shift.<p>I&#x27;m noticing more and more articles like this coming from the left, to which the only appropriate response is: &quot;Okay, we disagree. Let&#x27;s have a discussion. Just don&#x27;t lock me up for disagreeing.&quot; Freedom. It isn&#x27;t something to scoff at.
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ChrisNorstrom超过 11 年前
Fun Conspiracy Theory:<p>New York elite are conspiring to move Silicon Valley companies and talent to New York by running these pieces right around the same time that MASSIVE New York Tax Cut incentive (no income, no property, no state taxes for 10 years) for Tech companies was announced. There&#x27;s been increasing criticism of Tech and the Bay Area so much so that it would make you think SF&#x2F;SV is a bad place for startups and doesn&#x27;t welcome them. It started about 2 weeks before the big tax cut incentive and is probably going to increase.<p>And it&#x27;s working, an HN member below stated, &quot;I live in NYC, and I often wonder what Silicon Valley is really like. Most of the news I read oh HN regarding it is very negative and cynical&quot;.
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radley超过 11 年前
SF has been predominantly for the young for a long time. Been here 20+ years and heard the same thing when I first arrived. You get to a certain age and move on (if you can).
negamax超过 11 年前
This is eyeball grabbing article to bank on the recent events, which are nowhere near the norm. Let&#x27;s not promote this here.
eruditely超过 11 年前
The title is pretty off.<p>The article does some pretty poor posturing though, &quot;meteor more important than... bitcoin....&quot; etc.
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7Figures2Commas超过 11 年前
Greg Gopman mentioned alongside Peter Thiel and Paul Graham? Really?
ojbyrne超过 11 年前
I know that when I read the stuff about Greg Gopman, a startup CEO, and he was described as a &quot;techie,&quot; I was not impressed. This article pretty well captures why.
dylandrop超过 11 年前
Some problems with the Paul Graham quote mentioned in the article --<p>&quot;...hear that the richest 5% of the people have half the total wealth, they tend to think injustice! An experienced programmer would be more likely to think is that all? The top 5% of programmers probably write 99% of the good software.&quot;<p>I&#x27;ve never understood this quote. First thing I don&#x27;t understand is the last sentence -- I can&#x27;t really imagine any scenario in which 5% of programmers have written 99% of the good software. What must PG&#x27;s standards of good software be in order for this to be true? If anything, software development seems like a place where there is a healthy supply of people writing &quot;good code&quot;, often working in large teams to make great projects.<p>Second thing I don&#x27;t understand is his analogy -- he&#x27;s claiming that programming accomplishments is to software developers as money is to the rich? Huh? Is wealth a skill? So we&#x27;ve just assumed that because someone is rich, that it obviously means they&#x27;ve earned it through hard work... and not only hard work, but hard work on the order of how much time and effort was spent developing 99% of the good code in the world, which to me sounds problematic at best.
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axaxs超过 11 年前
This guy obviously hasn&#x27;t traveled far outside his little circle before making such broad statements. From Kentucky, I could say almost the complete opposite to every point and be correct, though I&#x27;m not small minded enough to think that represents every engineer in the nation.
11thEarlOfMar超过 11 年前
Is it a compliment to say one has a John Galt complex?
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benihana超过 11 年前
I live in NYC, and I often wonder what Silicon Valley is <i>really</i> like. Most of the news I read oh HN regarding it is very negative and cynical, but this article seems to think it ain&#x27;t so bad. It seems like certain neighborhoods are full of fairly wealthy tech guys, but that it&#x27;s not all white dudes.<p>Are women getting hired at the more progressive companies out there? Cause these articles make it seem like it&#x27;s only men out there.
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michaelochurch超过 11 年前
I hate the word &quot;techie&quot;. It sounds like something a four-year-old came up with. Can we fucking retire it, please?<p>The article is right that the average character of professional software engineers and technologists is quite good-- and far better than that of the VC-istan &quot;cool kids&quot;. The problem? The former don&#x27;t matter much, not in terms of the ability to set the terms of cultural and civic life. It&#x27;s the Randtard billionaires who get to play that game; they have the free time, influence, and disposable income.<p>The upsetting thing is that this backlash, like all, will target all the wrong people. Do rank-and-file Googlers, commuting by bus for two hours each day, deserve to bear the brunt of it? Of course not. They&#x27;re not the ones who pushed through the NIMBY codes and caused San Francisco&#x27;s rent problem, and they&#x27;re victims of this bullshit system just as much as anyone else.
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brucefancher超过 11 年前
Sadly, he&#x27;s correct that there really aren&#x27;t that many classical liberals (the correct term for what he calls &quot;libertarians&quot;) in Silicon Valley. Despite the fact that economic freedom in general and the technology industry in particular have brought an unbelievable level of comfort and prosperity to people at all income levels in countries fortunate enough to have relatively free markets, too many people who work in the industry fail to make the connection. Instead of taking note of such triumphs of economic redistribution as Detroit, they bite their nails with worry and yammer on about &quot;income inequality&quot;, as if Mark Zuckerberg&#x27;s or Sergei Brin&#x27;s billions somehow came at the expense of other people.<p>Oh, and the reason rents are high in San Francisco is because there&#x27;s too much regulation, not because there&#x27;s too much money there.