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Paul Graham Isn't Keeping Women out of Tech

86 点作者 kbambz超过 11 年前

14 条评论

zainny超过 11 年前
We&#x27;re creating an environment now in which it is practically impossible to discuss this topic in tech. Our general irrationality and desire to completely and utterly jump down the throat of anyone who even remotely touches on this topic means that in the future any gender topics are just going to get &quot;no comment&quot; responses.<p>That&#x27;s sad and not without a touch of irony precisely because in stifling the discussion we&#x27;re probably doing more harm than good.
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gkoberger超过 11 年前
Gawker was just looking for page views [1], as with the pg racism [2] claim a few months ago.<p>This is dangerous. If people are scared to speak openly and honestly about topics such as racism, homelessness and sexism because they don&#x27;t want Valleywag to label them as racist, elitist or sexist, we&#x27;ll all be forced to just go on pretending everything is great.<p>[1] <a href="http://pando.com/2013/12/26/look-whos-gawking-inside-nick-dentons-phony-hypocritical-class-war-against-tech-workers/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pando.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;26&#x2F;look-whos-gawking-inside-nick-de...</a><p>[2] <a href="http://valleywag.gawker.com/major-fwd-us-donor-says-a-strong-foreign-accent-makes-1208418411" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;valleywag.gawker.com&#x2F;major-fwd-us-donor-says-a-strong...</a>
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baddox超过 11 年前
Unfortunately for this all female team, feminists will accuse them of working to support the patriarchy just as much as the evil men. Sadly, this is actually what prominent feminists in technology believe: <a href="https://medium.com/about-work/e82b7ca7de03" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;about-work&#x2F;e82b7ca7de03</a> (Ctrl-F &quot;support the patriarchy&quot;).<p>For these feminists, women who fail are obvious evidence of patriarchy, and women who succeed are obviously just working alongside the patriarchy. I firmly believe that if next year the tech industry was 55% female and females received 55% of funding and salaries, feminists would point to that as evidence that the patriarchy is purposefully giving things to women to hide the fact that they&#x27;re all misogynist pigs. This prominent tech feminism is, according to their own terms, completely unfalsifiable.
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apsec112超过 11 年前
&quot;I think what religion and politics have in common is that they become part of people&#x27;s identity, and people can never have a fruitful argument about something that&#x27;s part of their identity. By definition they&#x27;re partisan.<p>Which topics engage people&#x27;s identity depends on the people, not the topic. For example, a discussion about a battle that included citizens of one or more of the countries involved would probably degenerate into a political argument. But a discussion today about a battle that took place in the Bronze Age probably wouldn&#x27;t. No one would know what side to be on. So it&#x27;s not politics that&#x27;s the source of the trouble, but identity. When people say a discussion has degenerated into a religious war, what they really mean is that it has started to be driven mostly by people&#x27;s identities.<p>When that happens, it tends to happen fast, like a core going critical. The threshold for participating goes down to zero, which brings in more people. And they tend to say incendiary things, which draw more and angrier counterarguments.&quot;<p><a href="http://paulgraham.com/identity.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;paulgraham.com&#x2F;identity.html</a>
Caligula超过 11 年前
This article seems to be related to <a href="http://valleywag.gawker.com/paul-graham-says-women-havent-been-hacking-for-the-pa-1490581236" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;valleywag.gawker.com&#x2F;paul-graham-says-women-havent-be...</a><p>It is the first time I saw Paul Graham appear on my Facebook. It is not worth reading, the author is just going for clicks by making baseless accusations. Paul also claims he was misquoted and thinks he should start bringing a recorder to interviews.<p>It is a shame, one of the appeals of reading a Paul Graham interview or his writing was that it was very open, I hope his no doubt hiring a PR filter or being more reserved with his words will not reduce the quality.
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spindritf超过 11 年前
<i>So another way to figure out which of our taboos future generations will laugh at is to start with the labels. Take a label-- &quot;sexist&quot;, for example-- and try to think of some ideas that would be called that. Then for each ask, might this be true?</i><p>One of my favourite essays.<p><a href="http://paulgraham.com/say.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;paulgraham.com&#x2F;say.html</a>
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tptacek超过 11 年前
Paul Graham isn&#x27;t keeping women out of technology. Nor do I believe he wants to. If anything, his interests would be served by there being more women in technology, and thus more candidates for YC.<p>Also, Valleywag is a cesspool. I ponied up for the whole interview at The Information. I&#x27;d rather eat a bug than talk about what a Gawker publication has to say.<p>But Paul Graham has said some things on this issue that I think are dumb. Moreover, I believe he spends a lot of time worrying about the ways things he says are misconstrued. Reputation is potential energy, as he (correctly) likes to say, and I think he&#x27;s aware of how much energy is tied up in what he says. Knowing that he is speaking carefully on these issues does not make what he is saying easier to take.<p>It is one thing to suggest that we should correct biases and imbalances as early as we can, because the sooner someone gets started hacking, the sooner they&#x27;ll be able to bring those skills to bear on the market. Sure, that&#x27;s true and probably benign.<p>It is another thing entirely to suggest that special status is conferred on people who started hacking when they were 13, and that it might be &quot;too late&quot; for people who didn&#x27;t to join the ranks of that elite.<p>It is one thing to suggest that there are people that have, for whatever reason (nature or nurture) a natural affinity to working with computer programs and technology. True. Benign.<p>It is another thing to project backwards from that the idea that if women were going to be good at coding, &quot;they would have found it on their own&quot;. That&#x27;s not true. It presumes that the most important factor in determining whether someone&#x27;s going to be a good coder is that they have the affinity. But you need more than affinity: you need opportunity and support.<p>A gigantic blind spot men in technology have is that there are two sides to the problem of gender bias. The side of the coin everyone thinks about is prejudice and bias. Men hear about gender imbalance in technology and interrogate their conscience. &quot;Do I think women are inherently less qualified then men? No! I&#x27;ve never made a decision based on that belief!&quot; They&#x27;re probably even right about that.<p>The coin has another side: privilege. Privilege is a simple concept. Certain kinds of people &quot;fit the mold&quot;. Paul Graham knows what the typical successful startup hacker looks like. So do most people who work at technology companies. If you ask someone in our field at random to visualize an elite startup hacker and then take bets on the attributes of that imaginary person, you would be nuts to bet on anything but &quot;male&quot;, &quot;English-speaking&quot;, &quot;20-40&quot;, and &quot;white or Asian&quot;.<p>25-year-old English-speaking white males have a privilege, whether they like it or not, because they fit into everyone&#x27;s mold of a startup hacker. They will sometimes be asked stupid, discouraging questions at job interviews. Like, &quot;do you have any children, and, if so, how will you balance the work of taking care of them with the demanding schedule of this job?&quot;. Or, &quot;when did you start coding? We&#x27;re really looking not so much for someone who can execute this role, but rather who <i>lives and breathes</i> technology&quot;. You can tell by looking at some people that they &quot;live and breathe technology&quot; (guilty as charged). That&#x27;s not a privilege at a bar or a White Sox game, but it is a privilege in our industry.<p>The existence of privilege is not a scarlet letter on young white dudes who code. But the forceful, repeated, insidious denial of the existence of that privilege is a problem: it reinforces the privilege and allows it to feed on itself.
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xacaxulu超过 11 年前
&quot;ask any female founder who has dealt with investors - 9 times out of 10, that investor has used his power to sexually harass the founder&quot;<p>I&#x27;d like to see some stats to back that up, i.e. police reports. Sounds like a generalization that&#x27;s probably not based in reality. Every investor isn&#x27;t a rapist waiting for a shot at a female CEO.
bjornsing超过 11 年前
&gt; Misogyny is alive and well, from Hacker News devolving into a disgusting sea of victim blaming after a female poster discussed being sexually assaulted at a tech conference, to the HR-free world of venture capital (<i>ask any female founder who has dealt with investors - 9 times out of 10, that investor has used his power to sexually harass the founder</i>).<p>In my mind that last parenthesised bit stands out like I don&#x27;t know what... What the f*...?!? :(
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kyro超过 11 年前
Is there something that can collectively be done about Gawker (more Vallewag)? I know, freedom of speech, etc, but they time and time again publish the most incendiary articles based on the wildest of intentional misinterpretations. It is the farthest thing from &quot;hard-hitting&quot; or &quot;raw&quot; journalism, and at times borders libelous.
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ksiegel超过 11 年前
By claiming that &quot;it&#x27;s already too late&quot; for those who started coding in high school or college, Paul Graham is reflecting the industry bias against those who don&#x27;t fit the stereotypical white male hacker. It is not too late.<p>I wrote down some of my thoughts on this issue here: <a href="https://medium.com/p/f7efb084e8a" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;f7efb084e8a</a>
geuis超过 11 年前
Wow the cufon font on that page is awfully blurry on a retina display.
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sergiotapia超过 11 年前
Why has tumblr become such a cesspool of social justice warriors just aching to find something to be angry about?<p>How does the Tumblr owner feel about his platform being used by this toxic community?
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rfnslyr超过 11 年前
<i>But that doesn’t give us free reign to ignore the problems that exist in universities, accelerators, tech companies and venture capital. These pieces of the funnel need to be thoroughly analyzed and optimized for inclusion - be it for gender, race, age, or other markers, so that we’re able to produce the best sustainable and profitable companies and organizations possible.</i><p>Why?<p><i>3. ‘Not discouraging’ women isn’t enough - actively encourage them.</i><p>Again, <i>why</i>?<p>I don&#x27;t understand this &quot;get women in X&quot; movement. There are women everywhere, women are doing fine from what I can see in the tech space.<p>Why must I go out of my way to specifically pave a way for women in everything I do?<p>Why not blacks? Why not midgets? Why not &quot;X deviation from being a while male?&quot;<p>Read my previous comment history for my stance as I&#x27;m not going to copy paste everything here. I honestly don&#x27;t get it. You have all the same opportunities men do, at least in this space.<p>Women are so entitled nowadays.
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