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Rapgenius Uniques Fall 90%

62 点作者 conover超过 11 年前

18 条评论

sillysaurus2超过 11 年前
Ok, how can Rap Genius recover from this? They&#x27;re one of the best (and least shady) lyrics sites on the net. They acted immorally, yes, but is justifiable to summarily execute their company?<p>Google has a domineering position in the market, and it&#x27;s a bit ironic that people were quick to call for Microsoft to be split into multiple companies about a decade ago, yet nobody bats an eye when Google exercises their power. (I personally don&#x27;t believe either company should be split; just pointing out an interesting parallel.)<p>So what can Rapgenius do? Are they screwed?<p>EDIT: Also, how long does the penalty last for? I think people are assuming 30 days, but is that really the case?<p>Even still, 30 days is a <i>long</i> time. They may not be okay afterwards. Whereas, say, a week-long ban would&#x27;ve had the same deterrent effect.
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vijayboyapati超过 11 年前
Not only is this bad for RapGenius, it&#x27;s bad for Google, and most importantly bad for Google&#x27;s users. Yes, RapGenius screwed up, and they&#x27;ve paid the price. But they&#x27;ve publicly recognized what they did and apologized. Google really should reinstate their ranking, because people searching for lyrics right now are being given the huge disservice of using the ultra-spammy lyrics sites from days of yore.
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jonknee超过 11 年前
Luckily their revenue has remained unchanged... $0. This could have been a financial disaster if Rap Genius was a real business, but you need to have revenue for that.
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spindritf超过 11 年前
To recap. Google&#x27;s algorithm is terrible, and despite having more PhDs on board than my uni, can be played by anyone with two brain cells and a mildly popular Twitter account.<p>To rectify this, they crippled my search results by penalizing Rapgenius and instead pushing some AZlyrics junk that not only lacks annotations but is inaccurate.<p>Seems like an easy fix, for the end user at least, add a keyword search for &#x27;lyrics&#x27; to go directly to Rapgenius, right? No. Here&#x27;s a search for smoke on the water<p><a href="http://rapgenius.com/search?q=smoke%20on%20the%20water" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;rapgenius.com&#x2F;search?q=smoke%20on%20the%20water</a><p>First result? Pro Era – Like Water. Second? Childish Gambino – I. The Worst Guys. Third? Smoke DZA – Diamond.<p>Arguably the most popular song in the history of rock and roll? Sixth.<p>Those are some of the smartest people on the planet. I&#x27;m not being sarcastic. How depressing.
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brianpgordon超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s pretty scary how much Google controls the internet. I wish Bing or Yahoo or DuckDuckGo weren&#x27;t so much worse than Google, or I&#x27;d happily use them.
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clarky07超过 11 年前
It seems somewhat unreasonable to manually penalize a website like this. If you can&#x27;t figure it out algorithmically then it can&#x27;t be that bad. Major companies (much bigger than Rap Genius) buy links all the time. How do I know? They have asked me for them. I used to run a financial blog and I know a certain company that bought links from pretty much every personal finance blog that would sell one to them, and I know this for a fact because I was in a network of blogs and talked about this on forums as a way to make money. I also have the emails to prove it.<p>Why doesn&#x27;t this company get penalized? I have no idea. I guess nobody decided to write a blog post about it, it didn&#x27;t get picked up on Hacker News, and Matt Cutts hasn&#x27;t noticed it yet. Seems like if this is possible there should be a reverse black hat market springing up soon. Do some really bad black hat SEO for your competitors and then get them killed by Google.
goldenkey超过 11 年前
It wasn&#x27;t so genius to be expository to random people via email, about a link-back scam. Sorry RapDingus, it&#x27;s over; maybe next go around you&#x27;ll have less hubris and daringness in using unethical practices.<p><a href="http://jmarbach.com/rapgenius-growth-hack-exposed" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jmarbach.com&#x2F;rapgenius-growth-hack-exposed</a>
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minimaxir超过 11 年前
What&#x27;s interesting is that the number of uniques is on a downward linear trend after the initial penalty.
istorical超过 11 年前
SEO is such a fickle beast.<p>To everyone here who&#x27;s saying they brought this upon themselves, when rules are unenforced and all your competition breaks them, you&#x27;ve already hamstrung yourself if you don&#x27;t break them too.<p>If everyone in the MLB is juicing and a rookie gets caught, you don&#x27;t say &quot;what an idiot&quot;, you look at either 1) enforcing the rules on everyone and broadly changing the culture or 2) question whether the rules make sense in the first place.
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Greenisus超过 11 年前
What should Google do in this situation? I fully understand them murdering Rap Genius in their indexes, but it also hurts Google since Rap Genius actually has the best content.<p>First result for &quot;jay-z holy grail lyrics&quot; Google: <a href="http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/holygrail.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.azlyrics.com&#x2F;lyrics&#x2F;jayz&#x2F;holygrail.html</a> Bing: <a href="http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-holy-grail-lyrics" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;rapgenius.com&#x2F;Jay-z-holy-grail-lyrics</a><p>The Bing result is better (though both are valid).<p>I would suspect that most sites pulling these sort of SEO scams are going to have lousy content, so the rule makes sense, but perhaps there should be some sort of human element to it as well? That&#x27;s not scalable, though, so I&#x27;m not really sure what the best answer for Google is on this one.
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jmduke超过 11 年前
Hypothetical question: if we (&quot;we&quot; being nebulous) were to unveil that every other major lyrics site (azlyrics, metrolyrics, stlyrics, lyricsfreak, lyrics365, etc. etc.) uses the same SEO tactics, would they receive the same attention and punishment?
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physcab超过 11 年前
They&#x27;ll recover. As much as I dislike their PR attitude (whether an act or not), they have a good product. I still listen to rap music, and I still want to know the meaning of the lyrics, so I&#x27;ll go directly to the site if I have to. Google made it one click easier, but whatever, I have time.<p>Companies have survived much worse blows. I worked for a music company that was not only being sued by every major record company, they were also taken out of all app stores. They persisted, and today I still listen to music from their site, even almost a decade later.
zinssmeister超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s quite painful to watch these guys take this beating. What they&#x27;ve done wasn&#x27;t nice, but the consequences are extreme. What is most concerning is the monopoly Google Search has over driving traffic&#x2F;revenue for most sites.
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maaaats超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve missed some news lately with Christmas and all. Any context on this?
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boxy超过 11 年前
The title of this post has annoyed me.
champion超过 11 年前
damn, they got CUTT
sscalia超过 11 年前
&quot;Don&#x27;t be evil&quot;<p>Rapgenius got punished for playing the game better than anyone else.<p>Who&#x27;s to say this couldn&#x27;t happen to highly relevant sources of information? Wikipedia? Underground sites?<p>This is the equivalent of censorship.
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almosnow超过 11 年前
what if... rapgenius is a beautiful pr stunt cooked by google to show everyone how valuable it is for websites&#x2F;startups?