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The Graver Threat of the Growing Tech Backlash

43 点作者 krohrbaugh超过 11 年前

20 条评论

apsec112超过 11 年前
If tech companies pay their workers generously, then it&#x27;s their fault for rising rents. But if they are misers and pay little, then it&#x27;s their fault for mistreating working people (see: Apple and Foxconn).<p>If the tech companies all move to San Francisco, then it&#x27;s their fault for changing the fabric of local communities. But if they leave San Francisco, why, it&#x27;s their fault for crashing the local economy.<p>If the tech companies try to establish a libertarian utopia, this shows they don&#x27;t care about average people. But if they stay in SF and try to work within the current system, well, that&#x27;s the nefarious influence of money in politics.<p>If the tech companies send buses to pick up their workers, this is terrible because it drives up housing costs. But if they don&#x27;t send buses, why, traffic would be so bad that 280 and 101 would grind to a halt, and clearly that&#x27;s the tech companies&#x27; fault.<p>&quot;Friedrich Spee von Langenfeld, a priest who heard the confessions of condemned witches, wrote in 1631 the Cautio Criminalis (&#x27;prudence in criminal cases&#x27;) in which he bitingly described the decision tree for condemning accused witches: If the witch had led an evil and improper life, she was guilty; if she had led a good and proper life, this too was a proof, for witches dissemble and try to appear especially virtuous. After the woman was put in prison: if she was afraid, this proved her guilt; if she was not afraid, this proved her guilt, for witches characteristically pretend innocence and wear a bold front. Or on hearing of a denunciation of witchcraft against her, she might seek flight or remain; if she ran, that proved her guilt; if she remained, the devil had detained her so she could not get away.&quot; - <a href="http://lesswrong.com/lw/ii/conservation_of_expected_evidence/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;lesswrong.com&#x2F;lw&#x2F;ii&#x2F;conservation_of_expected_evidence...</a>
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quanticle超过 11 年前
Everything in this article comes back to housing. That&#x27;s not the tech. industry&#x27;s fault. The tech. industry would <i>love</i> to have more housing in San Francisco and the rest of the Bay Area. Housing prices have increased so quickly, and are currently at such a high level that even highly paid tech. workers are thinking twice about moving to SF. We see it often enough in the comment threads right here.<p>The problem is that the existing residents of San Francisco would like to preserve their relatively low density city, and <i>simultaneously</i> cram several million more people into it. In every other growing city, swathes of older, low-density housing are torn down and replaced with higher density apartment and condominium blocks. These high-density urban high-rises relieve the pressure on the remaining, cheaper, low density residential properties, while simultaneously adding additional economic growth and neighborhood vitality. It just seems that the residents of San Francisco have made a collective choice that they&#x27;d rather have the &quot;charm&quot; of their &quot;historic&quot; (like you can call anything less than 200 years old historic) city, rather having a city that people can move into and live in on less than programmer wages.
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charleslmunger超过 11 年前
&quot;Ellis Act evictions, used to eject all tenants from a building to clear the way for a sale, soared 170 percent in the last three years.&quot;<p>This statistic is incredibly misleading - the absolute increase was only 73 evictions. [1]<p>“From Google buses invading the neighborhoods, to the evictions of elders, to the very real effects of speculator-fueled evictions, the tech industry’s reaction has been shameful,” said Tony Robles, an organizer with Senior and Disability Action who joined the Oakland demonstration, in an email.<p>This can also be read as &quot;Large companies pay employees too much money and provide too many benefits.&quot;<p>[1] <a href="http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-real/2014/01/san-franciscos-google-bus-protests-and-the-affordable-housing-mythology/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chicagonow.com&#x2F;getting-real&#x2F;2014&#x2F;01&#x2F;san-francisco...</a>
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bowlofpetunias超过 11 年前
If there is a tech backlash, it&#x27;s not about Bay Area gentrification, which is a local issue and happens in urban areas around the world. The fact that in SF the money comes from tech is irrelevant.<p>(The cognitive dissonance of the fortunate techies on HN who refuse to acknowledge that they are no different from self-centered 80&#x27;s finance yuppies is amusing, but nothing new is happening here.)<p>The more universal backlash is about the industries arrogant disregard for existing values, regulations, social conventions and traditions. As if anything done by non-techies is inherently inferior, disruption has become an ideology.<p>Similar to &quot;greed is good&quot;, tech promotes the ideology &quot;disruption is good&quot;. Millions who see their society mutilated, their rights trampled and their livelihoods disappearing do not agree.<p>We like to see ourselves as the good guys, and things like the NSA spying or the British censorship filter as the work of the bad guys. As far as the general public is concerned however, they are two sides of the same coin: technology as a means for the elite to take away what once was theirs.<p>That is the backlash we may soon be facing. And that backlash may not distinguish between the NSA, the mighty Google empire and your plucky little start up.
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memracom超过 11 年前
This is yet another reason why startups should avoid Silicon Valley. Years ago, the investment climate in SV really was different than elsewhere but that has now changed. Not only are there tech VCs and Angels in other US cities, but they are found throughout the world. You might still have concentrations in particular places, for instance in Canada most action is in Vancouver, Waterloo and Toronto, but that is a far cry from the days when SV was the only place.<p>Best place to start a new company is where you are right now. That is what Atlassian did and when it made sense for them to be in a different place, they just moved. Second best place is any city where there is a concentration of tech industry but that could be in Vancouver, Berlin, Moscow (Skolkovo) or London (Old Street). You have a choice.<p>And if your business is growing and beginning to have a local impact, and you are senior management there, then you really should start thinking about how you can improve the local area for everyone, which is a traditional activity of larger successful companies. Spend money on civic projects. If you need better bus service, lobby for it rather than sidestepping the competition. Politics is a different game from business and if you fail to recognize that and act appropriately, then you deserve the brickbats that will be thrown at you.<p>I&#x27;m reminded of when IBM was the big bad boy, and Microsoft was the cool new upstart. Then Microsoft became the bad boy and Google was the cool new upstart. From the sound of things, Google is now sliding into bad boy territory.
api超过 11 年前
On a side note... I find it kind of amazing how pollyanna many techies&#x27; view is of their own industry. The fact is that the tech industry is often surprisingly sleazy and includes quite a few very shady characters. Some of the sketchiest people I&#x27;ve <i>ever</i> met have been businesspeople involved in tech, and when I was in college I had friends who were into drug trafficking and thus had a little bit of indirect contact with that scene. Let me put it this way... I met people heavily involved in drugs who I&#x27;d trust with my kids before I&#x27;d trust many of the tech businesspeople I&#x27;ve met. We&#x27;re talking major fucking sleaze here, hard-core reptilian sociopaths.
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rodrodrod超过 11 年前
&gt; Ellis Act evictions, used to eject all tenants from a building to clear the way for a sale, soared 170 percent in the last three years.<p>For some context, that&#x27;s an increase of 73 evictions per year (from 43 in 2010 to 116 in 2013[0]). Of course, 73 in the absolute doesn&#x27;t have the same ring to it as 170%, so it&#x27;s clear to see why the data is presented the way it is. I think it&#x27;s rather disingenuous and makes that particular problem seem much dire than it might really be.<p>[0] <a href="http://www.sfbos.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=47040" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfbos.org&#x2F;Modules&#x2F;ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=47...</a>
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ojbyrne超过 11 年前
From someone living in Mountain View, this seems stupid on the part of San Francisco based protesters. There&#x27;s been many, many examples of cities being hollowed out and losing their entire tax base because of the need for &quot;equality.&quot; Push too far, and all those tech workers might decide that living in the suburbs isn&#x27;t too bad.
rayiner超过 11 年前
Every article like this is yet another reason not to start a business in bat-shit crazy San Francisco. Its advertising for Seattle, New York, Austin, Chicago, etc.
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bananacurve超过 11 年前
Starting off by citing the thoroughly debunked Google bus incident is not going to help your credibility but no one probably even read the article anyway.
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alexakarpov超过 11 年前
Instead of the article, better read Vonnegut: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_%28novel%29" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Player_Piano_%28novel%29</a><p>A much better, if also significantly longer, exposition.
ForHackernews超过 11 年前
&gt; Using tech services isn’t like using a toaster. It’s often an act of faith. Logging into Apple, Facebook, Google or Square products requires confidence that those companies will treat intimate information in an aboveboard manner, including your contacts, communications, location, medical history, shopping preferences, surfing habits and more.<p>Time and again that faith has been demonstrated to be severely misplaced. If a &quot;backlash&quot; against the tech sector leads to fewer people thoughtlessly handing over their most private lives to giant, amoral entities, then so much the better.
smtddr超过 11 年前
Well, the more articles highlighting the problem the more discussion can happen and maybe a solution can be found. On the other hand, looking at all the HN comments coming up with so many different excuses make me less hopeful. I bet this is how the rich elite started; using the same thought process to excuse &amp; dismiss their impact on those around them. Eventually reaching the point of just, &quot;Meh, screw them.&quot;
ianbicking超过 11 年前
Is this anything more than a concern about gentrification in the Bay Area? &quot;Tech&quot; isn&#x27;t causing gentrification anywhere else, and none of the other offenses (worker safety, taxes, privacy) seem to engender any strong emotional response towards the tech industry.<p>The Bay Area has pretty intense class issues, that is true, but the relation of those class issues to the tech industry is purely local.
csense超过 11 年前
You would think the tech industry would be more open to people working remotely. This problem is caused by insisting that everybody you hire be local, no matter how much it inflates salary requirements due to the SF housing market.
SubZero超过 11 年前
Does this article remind anyone else of the culture in Atlas Shrugged?
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nikoio超过 11 年前
Is it the browser I am using, or is recode not thinking about smaller sized screens?<p>opera 12.16 on Linux<p><a href="http://imgur.com/dK0et3M" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;dK0et3M</a>
gaius超过 11 年前
If person A calls person B a &quot;reactionary&quot;, then that only really tells you something about person A.
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gum_ina_package超过 11 年前
Everyone sees the success, but no one sees what it took to get there. They don&#x27;t see the intense, competitive interviews tech workers go through. They don&#x27;t see the grueling comp sci&#x2F;engineering coursework they do leading up to said interviews. And they definitely don&#x27;t see the thousands of hours programmers put into teaching themselves new skills and technologies.
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andyl超过 11 年前
The tech industry isn&#x27;t perfect - not by a long shot.<p>But tech companies aren&#x27;t putting the climate at risk. Tech companies didn&#x27;t crash the economy. Over the past decades there isn&#x27;t another industry that has delivered more growth and value.<p>The grave threat is to non-credible Media who deal in link-bait and manufactured controversy.
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