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Ask HN: Why are managers so bad?

8 点作者 aspir超过 11 年前
In all of the talk about flat structures and the removal of bosses, &quot;managers&quot; seem to be a major scapegoat. So, what is it that makes &quot;managers&quot; or &quot;management&quot; so bad?<p>I get the impression that many small companies instill a no-management policy because they had experiences with horrible management. When large companies (Zappos) restructure with this goal, it seems like a well-architected recruitment plan.<p>So, are there any objective reasons that managers&#x2F;bosses&#x2F;hierarchies are bad?

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Dwolb超过 11 年前
I dunno, I&#x27;ve done RF design work and I&#x27;ve lead an embedded Linux product (touch screens, USB, Wifi, Bluetooth, the whole shebang).<p>My manager when I was in design engineering was really really smart and would help me solve technical problems. My boss on during the embedded Linux project knew how to Get Shit Done. He was more people savvy and taught me that navigating a large bureacracy is a skill (even though it shouldn&#x27;t be). It&#x27;s tough a lot of times knowing which approach to take to gain organizational buy off to allow technical teams to progress forward.<p>I will note that my Get Shit Done boss has vouched for his direct reports and has won for us on many occasions.
busterc超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve worked with some, few, excellent managers. So, they&#x27;re not all bad.<p>I believe all aspiring and current managers should heed Peopleware.<p>In summary of Peopleware:<p>&quot;Almost all project failures are due to sociological problems&quot;<p>&quot;Most managers are prone to one particular failing: managing people like modular components.&quot;<p>-- <a href="http://javatroopers.com/Peopleware.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;javatroopers.com&#x2F;Peopleware.html</a>
dpweb超过 11 年前
In non-tech big companies at least, you don&#x27;t need any clear skill set to be a manager. The really bad ones have zero skills whatsoever. A plumber has to know to fix a sink, a dev, write the codez. You&#x27;ll be found out likely before too long if you manage to get hired and then have no idea (it does happen).<p>Many managers of technical people are not technologists, they&#x27;re professional managers, and have no clear skill sets. There&#x27;s not one useful thing they can do incredibly well that not everyone could handle. (This the ONLY reason you can make $100k in the US by just writing code, by the way, many people can&#x27;t handle, nor want to handle, programming in C++).<p>They do have &quot;Managerial Experience&quot;, and that gets them hired, even if they suck.. bad.. Even over the incredible technologist.<p>In their defense however, I would say the very good non-technical technical managers I&#x27;ve worked with, they know nothing about tech, but are so smart and savvy that you could throw complex stuff at them and they know exactly what you&#x27;re talking about. They protect their people from political bullshit, defend them to outsiders when needed, sometimes hear out the occasional programmer temper tantrum, and schedule the work. That&#x27;s where they add value.
timmm超过 11 年前
From a programmer&#x27;s perspective they don&#x27;t produce stuff like we do, they tend to not be as technical or smart, they just tell people to do their jobs ect.<p>That being said my boss is a non-technical manager who does a great job of making sure, internally, we are all communicating when we should be (but for her we just wouldn&#x27;t know what each other are doing for the most part). She brings to our attention work that falls through the cracks. She makes sure we have the resources we need, mobile devices to test on, laptops when we need them, the latest and greatest software tools; photoshop, zendesk, salesforce, browserstack, ect.<p>She facilitates hiring new team members or even create new positions if we as a team express a need. This is not fun by the way she has to interview and bring in people constantly, which 95% of the time we end up rejecting.<p>Honestly she is there to support us and champions us every chance she gets. Our client support is far better having a manager directing our team, which translates to value for the company.<p>Granted I&#x27;m sure not all managers work in that way.
IvyMike超过 11 年前
The standard answer has been The Peter Principle<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Peter_Principle</a><p>TLDR: People who are good at their job get promoted. But once they are mediocre at their job, they stop getting promoted. So you have a bunch of middle managers who have all risen to their maximal level of incompetence.
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bdunbar超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve had good managers, and bad.<p>A good manager knows his people, their skill sets, and how they work. He knows what work he can give them, and how much and what kind of supervision they need.<p>Like this; Ann needs only to be given a goal, and guidance. Bill works best with a daily walk-by. Charles needs constant and close supervision.<p>He will be able to tap dance with _his_ manager, explain what his people are doing, and why, and run interference as needed between &#x27;management&#x27; and &#x27;politics&#x27;.<p>Most of all he knows _people_. He may not know exactly what Bill is going on about when he talks about &#x27;fsck&#x27; but he can tell when he&#x27;s being bullsh*tted.<p>A bad manager can&#x27;t do any of that.
codeonfire超过 11 年前
Tech Managers are:<p>1. Out for themselves<p>2. Trying to manipulate credit and blame<p>3. Trying to manipulate hiring<p>4. Trying to manipulate compensation and promotion<p>5. Trying to get between makers and customers to leech money from both<p>6. Creating artificial problems to &#x27;manage&#x27;<p>7. Roadblocking and gatekeeping<p>If someone said that in order to be allowed to produce products for a customer you have to pay ten levels of management millions of dollars to oversee things that don&#x27;t need to be overseen, you would call that racketeering.
dave_sid超过 11 年前
I think Zappos still have managers, but they gave them a different name so they could release an article and get some nice PR in the current anti-manager climate.<p>I think managers are being scapegoated as you say. I&#x27;d dare any company to get rid of their management and see what really happens, not just pretend to like Zappos.<p>Hopefully this is a fashion that will blow over like all the rest so people can get back to trying to work together to create something useful, rather than trying to blame others.
scotty79超过 11 年前
Managers sometimes withold crucial information till after it&#x27;s too late to meet the deadline.
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Mz超过 11 年前
If &quot;managers are bad,&quot; one possible explanation is that they do not directly produce anything and must justify their existence&#x2F;salary, thus the position may be inherently prone to encouraging people to create (unnecessary) work to keep their paycheck.