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Ethereum: A Turing-Complete Cryptocurrency

135 点作者 gottagetmac超过 11 年前

21 条评论

gatehouse超过 11 年前
Trying to figure out a couple things (from pastebin link):<p>1. What protection against non-halting?<p>contracts are &quot;funded&quot; upon creation, and by those who issue transactions to the contract. if there are specific fees required by the contract to perform an action, it must be enforced by the contract itself. the cost of computation will eventually exhaust the contract&#x27;s funding it fails.<p>2. what are the long-term economics? (i.e. is coin supply unlimited or limited and at what rate of decay)<p><pre><code> line 90</code></pre> - planned fundraising period with issuance of 10000 ether per BTC contributed<p>- other coins will be issued so the initial money supply is 15000 times the contributed BTC amount, with 0.25x (i.e. 16.67%) to the founders, same amount to fund the Etherium organization. Division of BTC not specified.<p>- the mining reward will be 1&#x2F;3 of the initial supply, per year, perpetually (i.e. 1&#x2F;2 the contributor&#x27;s reward.) So the money supply increases linearly.<p>3. if a person&#x27;s only goal was to use the blockchain to store data, what would be cost per byte, and is there a max rate?<p><pre><code> line 385 to 399 </code></pre> - A contract is &quot;funded&quot; when it is created, and the computation performed by the contract consumes the funds.<p>- storage of a &quot;data item&quot; in contract memory costs 100<i>x</i> where <i>x</i> = floor(10^21 &#x2F; floor(difficulty ^ 0.5))<p>- don&#x27;t see the limit&#x2F;cost of data items bound to transactions as per transaction definition on line 133<p>anyway it takes courage to name a currency after a drug like ether.
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waterlesscloud超过 11 年前
The page doesn&#x27;t say who is behind it, but the wiki is edited by user &quot;vbuterin&quot;.<p>So maybe it&#x27;s Vitalik Buterin, one of the more interesting cryptocurrency thinkers out there. Hmm.<p><a href="http://about.me/vitalik_buterin" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.me&#x2F;vitalik_buterin</a>
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amluto超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t know if the Etherium people are looking for comments, but here are a few.<p>I think that Dagger has serious issues. First, the spec is buggy: the text says that eight bottom-level nodes are hashed together, but the pseudocode only uses four. Second, it does <i>not</i> require 512MB per thread; it requires 512MB of write-once, read-many-times memory, shared by all threads; this property seems to be asking for a rather large ASIC (or a smaller ASIC backed by some multi-port SRAM) to have a huge advantage.<p>Also, what&#x27;s up with the choice of secp256k1? It&#x27;s at least less likely to be backdoored by evil choice of parameters than, say, P-256, but there are many better choices out there (e.g. curve25519 or some of its larger variants). Those better variants have the big advantage (especially in this application) of having faster verification operations.<p>(The fastest-to-verify option would probably be plain ol&#x27; RSA, but signatures are rather large.)
benhamner超过 11 年前
Text content: <a href="http://pastebin.com/NCGRv74u" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;NCGRv74u</a><p>(Saw comments that the site went down and still had it loaded on my machine)
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alptrv超过 11 年前
The site is down for many hours. The cached version: <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://ethereum.org/ethereum.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:http:&#x2F;&#x2F;...</a>
wyager超过 11 年前
This is a very cool idea. I think it may have some critical flaws, but even the fact that people are thinking of stuff like this is so cool. Very singularitarian.
jaekwon超过 11 年前
Is there a dedicated forum or mailing list for further discussion?
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pipeep超过 11 年前
I think the clever idea here (IMO) are the fees. An argument against implementing a Turing complete language inside Bitcoin or an Altcoin might be that it&#x27;s hard to determine when execution should end. The fees allow arbitrarily complex constructs without any hard cap, while preventing abuse.
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tsmyrnios超过 11 年前
They must run their webservers on top of their Turing-Complete cryptocurrency... their site seems to be down.
cornellwright超过 11 年前
My first thought was why would one want their currency to be Turing-complete? It&#x27;s actually a cool concept though. Being able to have your money make decisions opens all kinds of possibilities.
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nazgulnarsil超过 11 年前
My understanding was that a balance based model opened up some pretty serious security problems, which is why bitcoin didn&#x27;t use it. I&#x27;m dubious of a new coin as complex as this.
aabalkan超过 11 年前
Site is down. How do they manage to go down with probably static content, I have no idea.
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jaekwon超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t understand <i>who</i> does all the turing complete contract computation. Presumably the miners, but they&#x27;re paid to do some useless proof-of-work work, not the turning complete computation of the contract.
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hnolable超过 11 年前
Ripple is also working on the same thing and is supposedly releasing them &quot;soon&quot;: <a href="https://ripple.com/wiki/Contracts" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ripple.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Contracts</a>
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rch超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m most curious about cryptocurrency algorithms that can be optimally run on FPGAs, but not ASICs or GPUs. Is there anything along those lines floating around already?
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Geee超过 11 年前
Does this mean that arbitrary software can be run in &quot;trusted&quot; way? So that everyone knows for sure what software is being run?
Sergio_D_Lerner超过 11 年前
For the record: Qixcoin.com was the first coin to propose a Touring complete system. It shares 95% of Etherum design.
pmcpinto超过 11 年前
The site is down for me.
chm超过 11 年前
How do I mine them?
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cube_yellow超过 11 年前
Note that Bitcoin is purposefully not turing complete. <a href="http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/17258/turing-completeness-of-bitcoin-script" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoin.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;17258&#x2F;turing-comp...</a>
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ChristianMarks超过 11 年前
The currency has been hacked.
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