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An insider’s story of the global attack on climate science

46 点作者 amardeep超过 11 年前

9 条评论

adwhit超过 11 年前
The best science says that climate change is probably going to make a large fraction of the world practically uninhabitable in less than a hundred years. Climate change is quite possibly the one and only story of the 21st century. What could be more deserving of our attention? And yet I&#x27;ve noticed that such news stories get a rather cool reception on HN, possibly because it doesn&#x27;t fit the Whiggish philosophy that tends to prevail round here.<p>My opinion: the future will be worse. Don&#x27;t have kids.
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jobu超过 11 年前
The title is a little misleading. The story is from one of the scientists targeted in the attack, not an insider from the attacking side (which would be very interesting indeed).<p>Decent article, but not exactly surprising given what I&#x27;ve already read about on some of the attacks on climate science here in the U.S.
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npsimons超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m glad to see this finally being acknowledged and the funding behind these attacks being called out. In fifty years, when economies are collapsing due to rising sea levels and all the upheaval caused thereby, will we finally look back (as we did with smoking propaganda) and realize what influence malicious greed can effect over ignorance?
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crazy1van超过 11 年前
This has really become more of a religious argument than a science argument. Some people will never be convinced man made climate change is real. Others will never be convinced it isn&#x27;t. The rest of the people don&#x27;t care.
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jeremyt超过 11 年前
Global warming is one of those tough issues for me. I guess you could call me a skeptic, but I try very hard to be a thoughtful skeptic.<p>What makes the whole conversation unproductive is there appears to be two sides: one which argues there is no problem and we must do nothing, and the other side says that the problem is going to end the world as we know it and we must change our entire way of living and make it our number one priority.<p>For me, there is a progression of questions that I must answer before I can sign on to the latter&#x27;s assertions., And they look something like this:<p>1. Is the world warming? I think it most certainly is, but I would also note that it appears that the warming trend has halted for the past 10 to 20 years. From what I can gather, scientists have reasons why that might be the case but have not explained it.<p>2. Is the warming man-made? To a large degree, I believe that it is. However, there are a lot of things that we don&#x27;t understand about climate (solar cycles, effects of water vapor, ocean CO2 sequestration, etc.) If I had to put a number on it, I would say 50 to 60% man-made.<p>3. Can we do anything about it? This is where I begin to separate from the global warming crowd. Theoretically, we can certainly do something about it, but having worked in government I just don&#x27;t see any practical way that we can reduce greenhouse emissions to such an extent that it&#x27;s going to make a great difference. Further, china and India are ramping up their CO2 emissions, and there&#x27;s nothing that the developed countries can do about it. Finally, I have ethical objections to telling developed countries that they have to use less energy which will inevitably result in more lives lost due to starvation or simply just malnutrition and poverty.<p>4. Should we do anything about it? I believe this is a cost-benefit analysis. And I haven&#x27;t done the analysis myself, but sometimes I question whether spending the enormous amounts of money today is worth putting off an uncertain disaster tomorrow when we have actual problems today that we could be working on instead. We have millions of people every year dying from malnutrition, poor water supplies, malaria, HIV&#x2F;AIDS, etc. Why not save those actual lives instead of spending the money saving hypothetical lives in 100 years. And indeed, won&#x27;t we be more suited to save those lines in 100 years than we are right now, meaning that the mitigation effort could be a lot cheaper?
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konradb超过 11 年前
I thought that picture of an advert from the &#x27;Heartland institute&#x27; near the bottom of the page was a hilarious albeit overdone joke.<p>&quot;I still believe in global warming. Do you?&quot; - Ted Kaczynski, The Unabomber<p>So I assumed it was a joke, and such transparent and patronising adverts could never have been dreamed up. However it does look like that was a planned advert, luckily the campaign was canned. I&#x27;m still kind of amazed!
JackFr超过 11 年前
I&#x27;d take the climate scientists more seriously if they could offer a comprehensive theory on ice ages. As far as I can tell, over the past 250 years the best they&#x27;ve been able to come up with is &#x27;multi-factor&#x27;, which of course means they have candidates, but no winner.<p>That, for me, would be some real science -- not politically charged, not funding-driven, not in the pocket of a lobby or an industry and frankly fascinating. It kills me that there is this fatuous back and forth when the most interesting question of the the planets climate goes effectively unanswered.
andrewflnr超过 11 年前
Don&#x27;t both sides claim this kind of thing has happened to them? So again, who do we believe?
Tycho超过 11 年前
Do climate scientists have #skininthegame?