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Stupid Simple Things SF Techies Could Do To Stop Being Hated

27 点作者 rmchugh超过 11 年前

22 条评论

woah超过 11 年前
None of this will work. The hatred of tech has nothing to do with techies themselves. It is a channeling of people&#x27;s anger about high rent towards an easy-to-demonize group of outsiders. The political organizers fanning the flames are largely the same people who caused the situation by demonizing (real estate) developers and making it hard to build.<p>Techies can volunteer until they are blue in the face, and it will only ever be seen as an empty, fake gesture. The real estate situation in SF is a hard reality and volunteering will not diffuse it.<p>&quot;Look at these techies, they make so much money and sanctimoniously act like they are saints for deigning to volunteer once a week.&quot;<p>We&#x27;re talking about people who demonize shuttle buses here. Shuttle buses unquestionably reduce congestion and help the environment. This is not about who the techies are, or what they do. It is about the xenophobic scapegoating of a group of socially awkward outsiders by political organizers whose previous shortsighted outrage campaigns have screwed up SF&#x27;s real estate market for decades to come.
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calroc超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m from SF. People should realize that politics in this town (and Berzerkeley) are infused with an entire cottage industry of lunatics and freaks. Watch SFGOV public access to see what I mean. People sing songs, rant, dress up in weird costumes, it&#x27;s a little slice of a Fellini movie.<p>Even if tech folks suddenly got bit by the community bug they&#x27;re not going to be able to dialog with people who have basically NO interest in real working politics because they are simply using the public sphere to project their hang-ups and obsessions. Crazy people who want attention make up too much of the political scene out here. Basically SF is one giant open-air insane asylum. This is where you end up if no place else in the country (or world) has a niche for you and your particular weird.<p>Now all these fresh-faced, well-scrubbed tech workers are flooding in and displacing the nuts, who have nowhere else to go. Of course the nuts (and brother&#x2F;sister&#x2F;sophont I am one of the nuts) are upset.<p>Unless the techies can somehow develop the compassion for and tolerance of, say, Mother Teresa, for weird freaky shit they just aren&#x27;t going to be able to engage with the old school Bay Area culture. And I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s fair to expect them to.<p>Unfortunately, this means that the &quot;gentrification&quot; will proceed apace until SF has become the new, uh, Portland? Seattle? San Jose? Some other not-so-weird city anyhow.
vacri超过 11 年前
<i>The employees who ride the buses could put up simple signs at the stops: &quot;[X] out of the 300 people who ride this shuttle each day have pledged to volunteer once a month at a city shelter or facility...</i><p>This is kind&#x27;ve offensive from the outset, and curiously enough, the paragraph doesn&#x27;t actually suggest those shuttle riders <i>actually</i> volunteering, or how does an employer entice its employees to volunteer for unrelated stuff in their free time.<p>Not to mention that it doesn&#x27;t matter how many of the 300 realistically volunteer, it will always be seen as &#x27;not enough&#x27;. 10 out of 300? Embarrassing stat to put up. 260 out of 300? What&#x27;s wrong with the other 40?<p>Also, I can&#x27;t speak for SF, but here in Melbourne I had a friend rejected for volunteer work from several charities because she wasn&#x27;t skilled. Volunteer work they have in spades for monkeywork. What they needed was management and organisational talents, to organise the volunteers and events, make orders etc
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ryguytilidie超过 11 年前
Look, I&#x27;ll be the first person to express my dismay at tech people throwing money around and essentially saying &quot;fuck you I&#x27;m rich&quot; to the rest of the city. However, expecting them to do charity work, give free daycare and fight for civic changes that are almost diametrically opposite to their own needs is completely insane. Why does it have to be the people who work at startups? Why not the bankers? Why not the actual CEO&#x27;s of these money making startups? How on earth did we decide that the people we should target are the workers at a company that is rich, why not the stockholders or executives? I mean go throw rocks at buildings on Sand Hill Road, not at the people who are just working their first job out of college.
temphn超过 11 年前
<p><pre><code> startups which provide deluxe on-site benefits could extend their daycare, meal and on-site walk-in health care to people who have WIC or EBT cards and can show that they live in the neighborhood. The bonus here? You can meet actual people in your neighborhood. </code></pre> I really, really, really want Anil Dash to try this with his own startup on Market Street in the middle of the Tenderloin. Send us the video. Show us how it&#x27;s done, Anil! Practice what you preach.
jseliger超过 11 年前
1. I&#x27;m not sure that the premise is true and that people &quot;hate&quot; techies. Outside of a few, small media precincts, does any of this actually exist?<p>2. To the extent that any of this actually is true, it seems like a failure of voters and public policies to a) allow enough housing to built (<a href="http://www.theatlanticcities.com/housing/2013/10/san-francisco-exodus/7205/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlanticcities.com&#x2F;housing&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;san-francis...</a> or Matt Yglesias&#x27;s <i>The Rent Is Too Damn High</i>) and b) to build better public transportation, which is related to a). To the extent that tech company buses mean anything, they mean that the current system works so poorly that people are routing around it.
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JohnTHaller超过 11 年前
So, the last round of gentrification is mad about this round of gentrification and thinks these new folks should make these token gestures to gain better acceptance? Sounds like a perfect plan.
SwellJoe超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m a lifetime nerd and a tech startup founder. Some of my best friends work at Google, facebook, Apple, etc., but I&#x27;m very sympathetic to the folks who are angry about the situation in SF.<p>The industry culture in the valley is extremely insulated from the real world, and it shows in everything. At bars and cafes, the conversation is the same old echo chamber; re-affirming the world changing nature of the next Snapchat copy. In a world with so many huge problems, so many smart people exerting so much effort and spending so much of other people&#x27;s money on trivial things is the rule not the exception, and it&#x27;s sad (of, if it doesn&#x27;t make one sad, it makes one angry). You can&#x27;t escape it. It&#x27;s actually one of the reasons I bought a motorhome and hit the road...I&#x27;ve only been back to the valley once since I left four years ago. The valley is depressing to me, for all the reasons so many find it full of optimism. I&#x27;m not optimistic when some of the brightest minds are expending their efforts on imitation of trivialities.<p>America is looking like a class war again for the first time in a long time. And, the folks comfortably in the middle don&#x27;t realize they&#x27;re siding with the folks up top, either through inaction or through conscious choice to serve those interests (even if they&#x27;re only middle class by SF standards and have much more in common with poor folk than with the .1% that effectively own everything). This is why there&#x27;s so much anger. San Francisco has always been expensive and most regular folk there have always been renters. But, it&#x27;s becoming impossibly expensive for huge swaths of people and the hope of surviving in SF as anything other than a wealthy white (or Asian) male engineer is fading fast.<p>This article has some good ideas. People in the valley <i>should</i> get out of that echo chamber regularly and do something real in their community. Come up with something else to talk about now and then. But, I don&#x27;t think it will solve the underlying problem; lower and middle class people are realizing the world isn&#x27;t what they thought. The odds are simply stacked against poor folks in America (and stacked against escaping being poor), and they&#x27;re worst in places like San Francisco and NYC. The churn in wealth that is supposed to happen in a market economy <i>isn&#x27;t</i> happening anymore, if it ever did. It&#x27;s been locked down hard by a very few, and the rest of us are merely renters and debtors, with no real say in the system. And, the idea I see that &quot;they should just move&quot; is missing the point...this problem isn&#x27;t a San Francisco problem. It is nationwide, and San Francisco is just the canary. It&#x27;s happening in every major city in the country.
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thrill超过 11 年前
What BS. There&#x27;s no such thing as affordable housing - there&#x27;s only housing you can afford. If you want to live in the Valley and can&#x27;t afford it - then you can&#x27;t afford it.
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WalterBright超过 11 年前
Doesn&#x27;t anyone else find it ironic that now it&#x27;s rich people who ride the bus, and poor people who are forced to drive their own cars?
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schraual超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t know, I work close to the Twitter HQ and the other day I saw some Twitterites (I could tell by their badges) half assedly walking down the sidewalk while on their phones occasionally plucking up a piece of trash with one of those trash picker-uppers...it seemed like it was 100% for show and actually made me hate them a little more.
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grecy超过 11 年前
These are all fantastic ideas, though I find it fascinating they&#x27;re all about sharing the benefits of enormous wealth with the greater community, so that everyone can be happier and healthier.<p>One wonders when America as a whole will realize the benefits of doing so and catch up to the rest of the Developed world.<p>In my experience, Americans would rather &quot;get mine&quot; than share.
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crw-rw-rw超过 11 年前
If these idiots hadn&#x27;t agitated for laws limiting development in the first place, then housing wouldn&#x27;t be as unaffordable as it is now in the Bay Area. Instead of attacking tech workers earning high five-figure salaries, which is hardly makes them &quot;rich&quot; by Bay Area standards, why not relax laws restricting development?<p>Much of this outrage is actually manufactured, and by Gawker no less: <a href="http://pando.com/2013/12/26/look-whos-gawking-inside-nick-dentons-phony-hypocritical-class-war-against-tech-workers/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pando.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;26&#x2F;look-whos-gawking-inside-nick-de...</a>
neilk超过 11 年前
The entire premise of this is flawed. I posted a huge ranty comment on Anil&#x27;s page, but the TL;DR:<p>* Tech companies have no expertise providing social services.<p>* It is a very bad idea to have public services delivered at the whim of private companies.<p>The answer to this is <i>taxes</i>. You want to criticize Google? Criticize them for using offshore tax shelters.<p>There also seems to be a longing for Google to swoop in and somehow fix politics, but really, unless money or technology solves the problem, Google is not the answer.
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joemaller1超过 11 年前
The &quot;solution&quot; will be an exodus from SF to other communities. SF has eaten itself before, and it will doubtlessly eat itself again.
arnoldwh超过 11 年前
I think the &quot;backlash&quot; is a symptom, not the cause.<p>The cause likely has a lot more to do with an unnatural supply constraint imposed previously as well as very little in the way of a public transportation infrastructure that would better enable workers (both tech and other) to live where they would like, at a price they want to pay.
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danielharan超过 11 年前
There are two problems that need to be fixed.<p>-Housing prices. Supporting affordable housing isn&#x27;t the solution here; there needs to be more supply. Given all the money invested in tech, surely the bigger companies could invest in some real estate. Or announce that you&#x27;re ready to do so, when the city finally allows it - now the city&#x27;s the villain.<p>-Fix Transportation so you don&#x27;t need private shuttles. Either force the city to improve transportation or support startups that can do it instead.
scotty79超过 11 年前
Simplest thing would be to build apartments and shops for all their emploees on company land.
memracom超过 11 年前
It says something about the level of intelligence of Silicon Valley people that it has taken this long for someone to point out that there are LOTS of things that local people could do to defuse the situation and improve the situation. In fact, given the number of people who live in SF and work down in the Valley, one wonders why on earth they started running private buses and did not go straight to the city and demand new routes on the city bus system. As for wifi, that could have been installed on the new routes for all riders, not just privileged Googlers.<p>Great coding ability is not enough to get by in life. You need creativity as well, and some understanding of social, business and political issues. Because life does not end at the edge of the CPU chip.
rco8786超过 11 年前
The author came up with 5 original ideas(not even very good ones) and then accosted tech companies for having not implemented them before he&#x2F;she thought of them.<p>Wat.
oh_sigh超过 11 年前
The entire premise is flawed. Who hates techies in SF? A tiny, tiny minority of people.
bksenior超过 11 年前
People dont change wholesale until they are forced too. The backlash hasnt affected the individuals, only the collective. Until people start to feel unsafe or targeted the only people who will organize improvements will be their employers because public opinion of big companies affect the bottom line.
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