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I didn't have a contract with my friend and my business tore us apart

36 点作者 danaseverson超过 11 年前

10 条评论

ef4超过 11 年前
This post seems to be ignoring the most obvious outcome: &quot;yes, you own 1&#x2F;3, but I&#x27;m not interested or able to buy your share right now.&quot;<p>This is why owners of small ventures think about &quot;liquidity&quot; events: until you have one your share of ownership is not something you can just &quot;cash in&quot; because you feel like it.
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dba7dba超过 11 年前
IMO, don&#x27;t do any business with a friend you want to keep for life. Actually, don&#x27;t even lend them any money.<p>One of my best friends from high school was in a tight spot for rent (laid off, lost house, evicted, all with wife+2kids), so I loaned him 1.5 months worth of rent.<p>Result? I haven&#x27;t gotten the money back after 3+ years. And it destroyed our friendship. It&#x27;s not the money that really hurts. The worst thing is he won&#x27;t even return phone&#x2F;email. I know he&#x27;s just avoiding because of the shame of not being able to pay back.<p>I regret loaning him the money, because the cost was far more costly than the $. It cost our friendship.
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peeters超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m not sure what the lesson learned here is. You didn&#x27;t sign a contract with your friend, which led you later to be able to abandon the terms you mutually agreed on. Couldn&#x27;t you have saved the friendship simply by not exploiting that fact?
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Mikeb85超过 11 年前
You can&#x27;t simply &#x27;cash out&#x27; of your business unless there&#x27;s a buyer. If the other owner isn&#x27;t that buyer, you get nothing.<p>If you have a brick and mortar business, like a restaurant, and you&#x27;re the sole owner, you can&#x27;t sell without a buyer. Same goes for a 30% owner. You can&#x27;t even demand the profits since dividends have to be authorized by the majority (ie. not the guy with 30%).<p>What it comes down to is you didn&#x27;t owe him shit (except the 30%), and he was being greedy and ignorant.<p>And yes, a proper contract, with a witness (or even better a lawyer) would have been a huge benefit to both of you, if for no other reason than tempering expectations.
sejje超过 11 年前
Sounds more like you had an oral contract and didn&#x27;t live up to it, frankly.
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zebra超过 11 年前
After being there I&#x27;ve made two personal rules: 1. No business with friends and relatives 2. If you break #1 write down all negative scenarios and reactions to them and sign this with your party. This gives your friendship a chance to continue
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chris_wot超过 11 年前
The poster says that he did indeed agree to a one-third, two-third split. The guy worked with him on that basis. It doesn&#x27;t matter if the poster didn&#x27;t think he was worth it, that&#x27;s what was agreed to.<p>As for a buyout, that&#x27;s another matter.<p>But he did own 1&#x2F;3 of the company. If it wasn&#x27;t incorporated, then that person may have become liable for any debts.<p>To the poster: stop being an arsehole.
brudgers超过 11 年前
What goes around...<p>In a closely held company being a hardass negotiator with your partners poisons the long term personal relationships that such companies rely upon to maintain stability. That seventeen percent that the author won upfront with hardball is now a 33% burden two years later.<p>Unresolved resentment over being treated as a subordinate due to a weak negotiating position from the lack of a formal agreement is the context that makes &quot;now you are working for me&quot; legitimate. Things would not be worse if the author had gone fifty fifty and focused on growing the pie instead of victory.<p>This is why Spolsky advocates just having equal equity.
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quackerhacker超过 11 年前
It&#x27;s stories like these that always make me pursue my projects independently as far as I can. I&#x27;ve learned my lesson from blurring lines between personal and business...the personal feelings alone can destroy my drive and ambitions.<p>I know failure...tasted it about 3-4 times. I guess I&#x27;m cold hearted, I would&#x27;ve pursued success and burnt the bridge with my friend, if I did all the footwork in the beginning till the end. I&#x27;m starting to learn, nice people get stomped on in business.
redorb超过 11 年前
I would have offered payments on the 1&#x2F;3.. Perhaps you did, if so you did all you could