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California Cracks Down on Hacker Boot Camps

85 点作者 ahmadss超过 11 年前

12 条评论

Camillo超过 11 年前
&gt; They’re usually staffed by professional coders, not licensed teachers. Many of the teachers are volunteers — even though the schools are usually private companies, not non-profit organizations. And many schools are backed by investments from big-name Silicon Valley venture capital firms.<p>I was very surprised to read this. Volunteering can be appropriate if you&#x27;re helping the less fortunate, or if you&#x27;re sharing with your peers; but if you volunteer for a for-profit organization, you&#x27;re devaluing your own skills while enriching those who are already rich. It&#x27;s not just self-damaging, but socially regressive too.
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mschuster91超过 11 年前
&gt; He says the only exemptions are for courses than cost less than $2,500, programs affiliated with accredited schools, and certain religious education programs.<p>Well then, problem solved: turn the buildings into Pastafarian temples and the act of coding into religious service - should be more or less the same as Scientology is doing already.
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pavs超过 11 年前
Anyone actually successfully attended this boot camps and got a job offer for their coding skills? Specially for someone who never had any prior coding knowledge.<p>I don&#x27;t know why but this just smells like scam to me.<p>Why would a company hire you, who just finished a boot camp, as opposed to someone who have years of coding experience and knowledge?
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ivanca超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m also wary of boot camps but this is definitely not the way; if you want to pay for something you pay for something. They are not pretending to be a college, they are not pretending to be a substitute for it.<p>The only scam here is this part of the USA law, is scamming people into believing that everything needs to be regulated or otherwise it&#x27;s evil.
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anateus超过 11 年前
When the story first hit Venture Beat I stuck to reading what the BPPE actually said, and then I checked out the website to try and dig up the regulations.<p>Unless someone has information I haven&#x27;t been able to dig up &quot;crack down&quot; just means that they&#x27;ve been requested to comply. BPPE decided that these sorts of programs are under their purview and so they need to cough up some amount of cash and submit some paperwork.<p>Quotations in the Venture Beat article very clearly state BPPE are not going after them, just notifying them of their need to comply under California law.<p>So much polemic either on government regulation or on the merits of these programs. BPPE places schools into either &quot;approved&quot; or &quot;accredited&quot; categories. These programs need only be approved. As far as I can tell BPPE is fairly minimal in its requirements basically ensuring the schools are real things and not diploma mills.<p>This isn&#x27;t anywhere as much of a crackdown as CPUC making it harder for ride-shares (for a bit). Discussion of the programs makes sense, but in the context of an imagined witch hunt it just seems strange.
verteu超过 11 年前
This is terrible news. California is full of people who are structurally unemployed due to technological incompetence. The vast majority of &quot;licensed teachers&quot; know nothing about coding. Why obstruct hackers who teach valuable skills to others?
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codezero超过 11 年前
What exactly are they trying to license these bootcamps as? They are basically job placement agencies with training included, right?<p>This is a bit off topic, but the prices that they command seem ludicrous. $1k a week or so, for most of them. I know that a person attending stands to get a high paying job, but 10k seems like a lot.
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welder超过 11 年前
&quot;it would be relatively easy for a fly-by-night operation to advertise a developer bootcamp, collect tuition, and then provide low-quality education — or skip town before the courses were even set to begin&quot;<p>These bootcamps don&#x27;t charge students until after they complete the course and get an industry job.
wyclif超过 11 年前
So I suppose this thread is just as good a place as any to ask the following question, which I&#x27;ve been curious about for a while now:<p>What, in your opinion, is the highest quality coding boot camp and why? Follow-up: what should a person who qualifies for one of these schools be looking for?
bowlofpetunias超过 11 年前
&gt; <i>many of these companies charge upwards of $10,000 and make bold claims about alumni making six figure salaries upon graduation</i><p>I think the word &quot;scam&quot; applies here.
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dschiptsov超过 11 年前
So there will be rise of &quot;traditional&quot; underground ones.)<p>In some sense &quot;legal&quot; hacker conferences sponsored by MS and Cisco is utter nonsense. Strong disliking of cargo cults, bandwagon and peer effects of brainwashed mediocrity is a part of so-called hacker culture.)
freemanindia超过 11 年前
This isn&#x27;t going to help the industry. The Internet is changing the way we learn and software development is at the edge of the trend. Software lends itself to this in part because its a meritocracy in which competence is easy to recognize independent of accredited degrees, and because the tools change so fast traditional institutions have trouble keeping up.<p>Its extremely unlikely regulation can do as good a job as the default market forces in identifying quality programs, and it will likely put a huge damper on people trying to do innovative things with technical education in the state.<p>disclaimer: I run a one year &#x27;developer bootcamp&#x27; in rural india - <a href="http://jaaga.in/study" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jaaga.in&#x2F;study</a>