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The Myth of Human Progress and the Collapse of Complex Societies

63 点作者 mgunes超过 11 年前

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lifeisstillgood超过 11 年前
Wow.<p>I kind of agree - but really let&#x27;s say we listen to our inner doubts, we mutiny and throw Ahab overboard, we are still on a whaler in the middle of the ocean. Now what?<p>Our (global?) society is on course for destruction on the ocean - but that course is also sailing use closer to the promised land. Every innovation, every step closer to the singularity requires us to move faster, land more sure-footedly. Yes we could balls it all up, start a mindless war that tips the balance, refuse to cooperate in trade or keep the next Einstein in a poverty stricken barro to die of diseases we cure with a single needle.<p>but then we could not - we could survive on the knife edge - learn how to sail better, close to the wind.<p>Destruction is not inevitable - it is just somewhere between likely and probable. All the more reason not to give into dsspair - not let Ahabs obsessions distract him from the survival of the ship, but for us to watch and honestly discuss the ships course - and find a way for the whole world to choose together our next course.<p>(yeah a little too flowery language - sorry. it&#x27;s late)
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FD3SA超过 11 年前
Beautifully written and optimistic, but I would like to advise caution. There is only one currency in existence: Power.<p>Historically, power has been proportional to a willing population. Technology allows power to be decoupled from population, allowing a very tiny minority to exert massive global power. This is the real danger, whether it takes the form of government, corporation, elites or cults.<p>As power asymmetry becomes more and more pronounced due to technology, the average person becomes far more prone to subjugation. This is the reality we face. This enemy is far more challenging to fight than any historical precedent.<p>Only time will elucidate our fates.
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Tycho超过 11 年前
<i>The Federal Reserve purchases $85 billion in U.S. Treasury bonds—much of it worthless subprime mortgages—each month.</i>
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carbocation超过 11 年前
With ghostery enabled, the content of this article is entirely blocked.
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ergoproxy超过 11 年前
Chris Hedges took the red pill, and Agent Smith told him, &quot;I&#x27;d like to share a revelation that I&#x27;ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I&#x27;ve realized that you are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment. But you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague.&quot;<p><i>The Matrix</i> would have been a better allegory to use than <i>Moby Dick</i>, particularly for HNers. <i>Moby Dick</i> might appeal to Harvard-educated, Arabic-speaking, Vermont liberals like Hedges, but most of us haven&#x27;t read it and don&#x27;t want to.<p>It&#x27;s not that I disagree with any of Hedges&#x27; major points, it&#x27;s just that I find his presentation erudite, pretentious and snobbish.<p>Economist Kenneth Boulding summed this up more concisely: &quot;Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist.&quot;<p>And if Capitalism is a &quot;plague,&quot; what is the cure? Hedges talks about Marxist revolution, but stops short of calling for one, instead falling back on quotations from Shakespeare, and Kant, and Dante, and Black Elk, and Nazim Hikmet.<p>So, what is the cure?<p>1. War and revolutions aren&#x27;t the answer: If they decimate the population, temporarily reducing resource consumption, decreasing the supply of labor so that wages might finally start rising again after 30 years of stagnation, then what? After all the misery and suffering that war brings, we&#x27;ve bought ourselves a few decades with a slightly more equitable wealth distribution, and put ecological disaster in check for a while, but it&#x27;s only temporary, and our populations will soon grow themselves back into the same problems all over again.<p>2. Technology? Increased efficiency will only spur increased consumption. It&#x27;s called Jevons paradox. Technology will only speed things up.<p>3. Accelerationism... Help the capitalists steal all the wealth and push us over the edge of ecological disaster. Evolution will make sure something else succeeds us.<p>4. Enlightenment: In the <i>Gospel of Thomas</i>, Saying 56, Jesus said, &quot;Whoever has become acquainted with the world has found a corpse, and the world is not worthy of the one who has found the corpse.&quot;<p>The world is already dead, and there&#x27;s nothing Chris Hedges can do about it! Whenever something we love dies, we experience mourning. The stages of mourning are--<p>Denial - Most of the people in the world are stuck in this stage.<p>Anger - This is where we find revolutionary groups like the Tea Party and OWS.<p>Bargaining - I think this is where Hedges finds himself. He really thinks there&#x27;s a way to resurrect the planet--Art, Poetry, Novels--but he doesn&#x27;t seem sure.<p>Depression - Lot&#x27;s of people struggling at this stage. About 800,000 to a million people commit suicide per year.<p>Acceptance - Doesn&#x27;t mean you&#x27;re ever going to be happy again. It just means you&#x27;re awake to reality.
squirejons超过 11 年前
The collapse of large nations is a Good Thing for the working class majority: the elite always want large nations, especially large nations with lots of racial, cultural and language divisions. That makes it easier for the elite to control the nation. It&#x27;s called the &#x27;divide et impera&#x27; strategy. That was the founding principle of the USA (see the letter from madison from jefferson wherein madison writes that the divide et impera (divide and rule) tactic is the way to rule america (madison was worth 100 mill in today&#x27;s dollars when he got his inheritance; jefferson, almost the same)).<p>When the elite can no longer hold large, divided nations together via violence and or propaganda, the working class majority form smaller, more homogeneous, less divided nations, nations that can be more easily controlled by the workers, and less easily controlled by the elite.<p>Factions are the friend of the rich and the enemy of the masses.<p>How do the elite create factions so they can rule? Enlarge the nation; import foreigners, especially those of another race and culture; create propaganda that focuses on identity politics; etc etc.<p>Of course the centrally controlled dogma of the american edu-propaganda system has programmed us to feel bad about collapse of nations. Oh, it&#x27;s so sad that such and such nation is breaking up.<p>But that is an elite-centric propaganda meme. It is always a good thing when nations collapse and fall apart--a good thing from the perspective of the working class majority. Of course the more &quot;educated&quot; you are, the more you take the perspective of the elite--in general.
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