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You Won’t Believe How Much Money We Wasted On Bad Hires In 2013

27 点作者 francoismathieu超过 11 年前

26 条评论

voidlogic超过 11 年前
So if your new employee doesn&#x27;t give you warm fuzzies- let them go fast? There are lots of great talent that is neither an anti-social asshole, nor a social butterfly; there has to be a some minimal time to &quot;get to know&quot; the new guy. It sounds like this guys is hiring for a frat-house.<p>Also, Warning signs- Randy mentions &quot;9-5&quot; and &quot;as they say goodbye at what you may not deem not a legitimate end of the day.&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t think I would want to work for Randy- Maybe this is just my impression and not the case here, but if you think being a startup is an excuse for <i>regularly</i> <i>expecting</i> employees to work more than 8 working hours a day then you are deluded, taking advantage of your employees and hurting them. I would not let my employees work more than 50 hrs&#x2F;week even if they begged.<p>Side thought: Everyone in the valley mentions 9-5 as &quot;standard working hours&quot;, but a standard work day is 8 hours. So assuming a 1 hr lunch that is 7-4&#x2F;8-5&#x2F;9-6... Where I grew up in the upper midwest, there everyone used the term 8-5...
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notacoward超过 11 年前
25 rockstars, eh? And $70K (fully loaded) on six bad hires who lasted a median 53 days. Let&#x27;s assume that the salary distribution for those new hires is similar to that for those rockstars. In the absence of other information, we&#x27;ll also have to assume that the median period of employment for those six is also the average. So we&#x27;re talking about rockstar salaries (fully loaded) in the range of $84K. Where can I get rockstars that cheap?<p>Also, he never really says what was wrong with these employees. Vague doubts about &quot;fit&quot;? &quot;Get under your skin&quot;? &quot;Don&#x27;t mesh&quot;? All sounds like a discrimination or wrongful-termination suit waiting to happen. Anybody who is in any way dealing with HR should know that firing someone requires <i>extensive</i> documentation of actual wrongdoing, not just this weak &quot;feels wrong&quot; crap. I&#x27;d be very surprised if that&#x27;s <i>less</i> the case in Canada than in the US.<p>This author really needs to worry less about cover letters, and more about why his company is having these cultural-fit problems. Maybe putting &quot;Like to work late?&quot; and &quot;Test your ping pong and foosball skills&quot; on the Careers page doesn&#x27;t attract the right kind of employees. I&#x27;d love to hear what some of those ex-employees found once they got there, especially regarding the little Pocket Napoleon of a COO.
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brianmcconnell超过 11 年前
You won&#x27;t believe how we just fucked employee morale in 2014...<p>Having hired and fired employees as an employer, and having been fired myself, I have two pieces of advice for readers here.<p>#1: this person is an asshat, and at worst is setting himself up to get sued, and at best, just fucked morale among his not yet fired rockstars who&#x27;ll rightly wonder &quot;Am I next?&quot;.<p>#2: suck it up. hiring is hard. it&#x27;s inevitable that you are going to make mistakes. you can either hire people and see how they work out, or you can burn your technical team out doing endless interviews. pop quiz. what&#x27;s even more annoying to your developers than unnecessary meetings? doing two hour long interviews with yet another not properly vetted by HR candidate, that&#x27;s what.<p>I&#x27;ve found its easier to hire people on contract, see how they work out, see how they like the company, and go from there. One of two things happen. Either they really like the work and company and you like them (yay), or they mentally check out, and you both amicably part ways or figure something else out.<p>Hiring someone at below market pay, and then publicly slagging them like this, that&#x27;s just low class.<p>What does Uberflip do anyway? (Never heard of them).
emhart超过 11 年前
I can only imagine how grating this post must be to those people still in his employ who had developed any sort of relationship with those let go. Or those still employed who worry, every day, if he isn&#x27;t looking at them with disdain as they walk in the door. In my experience, the &quot;culture&quot; upper management experience is rarely the culture on the floor.
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Aloha超过 11 年前
I&#x27;d caution against anyone from applying anything from this article as a universal truth.<p>For Example:<p>Changing Jobs every 6 months - The economy has been shit for 5 years - and unless you have spent your whole career in the Bay Area - you&#x27;re likely to have been job hopping from contract to contract.<p>Commute - again, this is highly tied to which market you&#x27;re in. An hour away in Seattle is a doable commute - its either 30 miles (if going to Seattle) or up to 60 miles (if heading away).<p>Followup to Interview - I used to do this - but after getting no reply 90% of the time, I stopped. I now only do this if I&#x27;m really, really interested. Typically something that makes me really interested is a great resume builder, salary or benefits - I try not to apply for jobs that I don&#x27;t find interesting from a technology level.<p>On a personal note: Lack of personalized cover letter - I&#x27;ve been in the position where applying for work was more like an assembly line - How personalized should it be? I have a form letter I modify light for each job I apply for - I&#x27;d be leery of any employer that expects me to write an essay of ball gargling - The cover letter IMO should exclaim my strengths to the job - not why I want to work for you - I want to work for you, because the work sounds interesting, and for one reason or another, I&#x27;m in a the market for a job.<p>The Good - Listen to your intuition - I think this is great advice - but only listen when its screaming - not just when you meet someone different then you. A warning, intuition is how you judge that &#x27;fit to culture&#x27; - If your intuition says too many people are off - the problem isn&#x27;t the candidates, its your culture.
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fiatmoney超过 11 年前
You&#x27;d think there would be a description of what was actually &quot;bad&quot; about these hires, beyond &quot;you get this uncomfortable feeling&quot; and they &quot;simply don’t mesh&quot;.<p>A interpretation is that the criteria they&#x27;re using to hire, includes a large amount of personality-matching based on their description, could be drawing from a pool stocked more with winning personalities than with competent developers.
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sukuriant超过 11 年前
&quot;Let’s start with the lost money – $70k. Whether you’re a big business or startup like us, that’s a lot of cash burned on people who added little to no value to your goals.&quot;<p>70k &#x2F; 6 employees &lt; 12k &#x2F; employee.<p>That&#x27;s a lot of money? That really doesn&#x27;t seem like that much money, especially if the vetting paradigm allowed the other 13 employees to bring vastly more than that lost 12k &#x2F; employee to the table.
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etfb超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m going with my gut here: every sentence I read from this guy makes me hate him more. If I read this article before applying for a job with his company, I would only have myself to blame if he made an offer and I accepted it.
free652超过 11 年前
&gt;as they say goodbye at what you may not deem not a legitimate end of the day.<p>Thanks god I don&#x27;t work for you. I&#x27;d be a bad hire too. 5pm is the legitimate end of the day in US.
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logn超过 11 年前
Yeah feel the vibes and listen to your gut. Bad Hires aren&#x27;t about performance or what they do wrong, it&#x27;s about meshing and fitting in. Because if the boss doesn&#x27;t get good warm and fuzzy feelings when you walk by, clearly 100% of your salary is being wasted.
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xacaxulu超过 11 年前
Don&#x27;t be someone this person doesn&#x27;t like! With such stringent criteria as &quot;uncomfortable feelings&quot; and avoiding provoking random feelings of &quot;buyer&#x27;s remorse&quot;, I can&#x27;t wait to submit an application to UberFlop&#x27;s house of wildly swinging emotions. Every new hire gets a crystal ball to divine this persons emotions and a mood ring to make sure to only think happy thoughts. Are these adults we&#x27;re talking about here? Holy fuck.
gone35超过 11 年前
<i>They did not create a trial account of our product before the first interview.</i><p>Minor quibble, but given that their two products are ostensibly not consumer-oriented --a content management tool for marketers and a tool for creating branded, flippable PDF viewers--, is it really too unreasonable that some candidates did not sign for their product? Or maybe it&#x27;s just seen as a sign of lack of curiosity&#x2F;interest about the company, dunno.
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TrainedMonkey超过 11 年前
What the article completely misses is that cost of bad hire is just as high for the employee as it is for the company.<p>Particularly fire &quot;fast&quot; option, for the employees next job it raises uncomfortable questions of why. So the goal is to not hire bad people. If you did hire a person, own it up and provide them with close performance feedback. Fire people if you have to, but not before they had at least few chances to improve their behavior and were clearly communicated as to what is going to happen if they do not.
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rhizome超过 11 年前
There&#x27;s not a lot of self-reflection in this analysis.
mrxd超过 11 年前
&gt; You get this uncomfortable feeling when you see that hire stroll in first thing in the morning… They get under your skin even though they haven’t done anything &#x27;bad&#x27; quite yet.<p>I&#x27;m no lawyer, but I wonder whether saying things like this creates legal liabilities related to employment discrimination by implying that the company makes hiring decisions on non-job related criteria.
JabavuAdams超过 11 年前
I guess as an entrepreneur you have to believe that your shitty little lacklustre company is the next big thing, but man. The arrogance!<p>If they&#x27;re not building space-ships, robots, or general AI, I&#x27;m now officially at the stage of my career where I expect employers to get down on their knees and seduce me.
leggo2m超过 11 年前
You won&#x27;t believe which company I&#x27;ll never apply to work for in 2014.
wch超过 11 年前
This post gives off a really bad brogrammer vibe.<p>And I hope these aren&#x27;t developers they were hiring and firing. The average salary of these bad hires was about $57,000 per year. (The total was $70,000, divided by 6 people who stayed an average of 75 days.)
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adammil超过 11 年前
That&#x27;s quite fluffy, ethereal &quot;bad hire&quot; criteria. Nothing about ability to get the job done, communication with the team, quality of deliverables, reliability, or really anything a reasonable person would use as objective criteria to identify a bad hire. I wish I could read between the lines and understand what the author is really saying here, because we occasionally see articles written like this. What is your magic criteria to be in cool club? Please just speak plainly!
memracom超过 11 年前
Sounds more like a bad company problem than a bad hire problem. If management is always nervously looking at the clock, then the company is fundamentally rotten. You get what you measure. If you measure hours at work, then you will get people who pad their time while they produce a pile of crap.<p>Nevertheless, this Canadian employer should know better. In the first three months they can let people go instantly. If they aren&#x27;t confident in the person after a few days, show them the door.
priyakanth024超过 11 年前
Its high time this guy should realize that the problem is with him and his company.
drewmate超过 11 年前
Here are 10 crazy reasons I regret reading your link-bait titled post...<p>Next time spare me the article and just tell me the one weird trick.
rhizome超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m not usually one to focus on the meta, but I wonder what the rationale was for killing this story from HN&#x27;s front page. A friendly favor, or removing a weak post that is so easily ridiculed on obvious points?
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kubiiii超过 11 年前
Isn&#x27;t the bad hire&#x2F;good hire feeling that is described here much to personal? If the so called bad hire somehow senses the hostility, no wonder why he leaves the company.<p>If you inadvertently cross a few red lines as a new hire you can ring a few alarms in your hirer&#x27;s mind. If those red lines are in the company culture that&#x27;s fine, you might be a bad hire (or the company culture might suck, which should have the same consequences). But sometimes those red lines are totally hirer specific.
DanBC超过 11 年前
&gt; One of the things I’ve started to do is make one of the interviews over lunch to see the true side of the candidate.<p>How does lunch help with hiring technical staff?
klepra超过 11 年前
This guy sounds like a douche.